New Feature: Bonus Heroes! *Updated (3/1/17)

fanghoul

Not sure how I feel about this change. There's some really interesting benefits and costs to taking things in this entirely unexpected direction. I guess I would have encouraged the developers to do this in two parts, and split up the Bonus Character and removing older characters from packs. There's going to be a less signal to noise now about what people like and don't like this way.

Given that it has happened, I guess I'm in the pleased crowd. Like, not I'm psyched about it, but I do like the idea that I can get more of the new characters now, who were mostly who I was interested in anyway, and that I can target specific older characters if I want them. I'd still like a mechanism for getting those older characters a little more often than the current maybe 1/20 ratio only if I choose to heart them, but this is mostly a net gain for me.

edit:
Extra 5 minutes of thought, there some real benefit here. As someone who's been frantically rostering characters for a long time now as I pulled them, it would have been nice not to have to worry about some of these jerks (carnage) showing up again and again when I just did not have the HP to roster them, and I hated wasting CP pulling them.

Vhailorx

OneLastGambit wrote:

DayvBang wrote:

astrp3 wrote:

Previously, you had around a 1/8 chance (don't know the actual #s but basing it on their claim that the new rate is over 2X the old rate) for getting a 3*.

Now, you have a 1/4 chance of getting one of the 20 selected 3*s

You see, they used confusing wording there. What they actually meant when they said that 3* drop rates were doubled was that they were doubled for the characters still available in the tokens. This is staggeringly easy to do if you just take out half the possible results.

And then the 4* characters! They more than tripled the drop rate for the characters in the tokens by taking out more than two-thirds of the characters you could get!

Are you mad now?

Hypothetical scenario ....

Lets imagine instead of removing them they put them in an alternate pool. Well call it the retirement home since it contains old characters. Would you be rushing to then spend all your cp in the retirement home? Orrrr would you still be spending it on the newer characters even with the exact same odds?

Chances are it'll be option b. The issue isn't that they took people out of the pool (the forum has been wanting that for a while) the issue is you want the ability to choose even though you won't choose. Which has the exact same effect as taking them away.

Except that LOTS of people would choose the retirement hime if it were priced anywhere close t9 the new characters. People gripe about dilution in classics, but lots of people still buyonly classics, preferring to build up their 5* bench slowly but all together.

killerkoala

aesthetocyst wrote:

Jaedenkaal wrote:

Of course, the odds of getting a cover from within one of those pools isn't necessarily the same for all the covers in that pool, either. They've said as much for characters that are "featured." So we're missing that information, which we (technically) used to have in a uselessly truncated form.

Looking at the "KRAKAKAKAAKAKKADOOOOOOLOMMMM" odds, I see that Rags has a highlight.

No indication of what that highlight means tho. Oopsie!

it's because it's a special event token and "bag rags" is available in 3* pool.

Ludaa

How will essentials be picked with this new vault scam in place?

JablesMc

Vhailorx wrote:

OneLastGambit wrote:

DayvBang wrote:

astrp3 wrote:

Previously, you had around a 1/8 chance (don't know the actual #s but basing it on their claim that the new rate is over 2X the old rate) for getting a 3*.

Now, you have a 1/4 chance of getting one of the 20 selected 3*s

You see, they used confusing wording there. What they actually meant when they said that 3* drop rates were doubled was that they were doubled for the characters still available in the tokens. This is staggeringly easy to do if you just take out half the possible results.

And then the 4* characters! They more than tripled the drop rate for the characters in the tokens by taking out more than two-thirds of the characters you could get!

Are you mad now?

Hypothetical scenario ....

Lets imagine instead of removing them they put them in an alternate pool. Well call it the retirement home since it contains old characters. Would you be rushing to then spend all your cp in the retirement home? Orrrr would you still be spending it on the newer characters even with the exact same odds?

Chances are it'll be option b. The issue isn't that they took people out of the pool (the forum has been wanting that for a while) the issue is you want the ability to choose even though you won't choose. Which has the exact same effect as taking them away.

Except that LOTS of people would choose the retirement hime if it were priced anywhere close t9 the new characters. People gripe about dilution in classics, but lots of people still buyonly classics, preferring to build up their 5* bench slowly but all together.

Yup, 20 cp immediately go to a classic

killerkoala

Ludaa wrote:

How will essentials be picked with this new vault scam in place?

Vault are not included in bonus covers. and what u see is what u "can" get in vaults.

whycantwesyncpc

OneLastGambit wrote:

DayvBang wrote:

astrp3 wrote:

Previously, you had around a 1/8 chance (don't know the actual #s but basing it on their claim that the new rate is over 2X the old rate) for getting a 3*.

Now, you have a 1/4 chance of getting one of the 20 selected 3*s

You see, they used confusing wording there. What they actually meant when they said that 3* drop rates were doubled was that they were doubled for the characters still available in the tokens. This is staggeringly easy to do if you just take out half the possible results.

And then the 4* characters! They more than tripled the drop rate for the characters in the tokens by taking out more than two-thirds of the characters you could get!

Are you mad now?

Hypothetical scenario ....

Lets imagine instead of removing them they put them in an alternate pool. Well call it the retirement home since it contains old characters. Would you be rushing to then spend all your cp in the retirement home? Orrrr would you still be spending it on the newer characters even with the exact same odds?

Chances are it'll be option b. The issue isn't that they took people out of the pool (the forum has been wanting that for a while) the issue is you want the ability to choose even though you won't choose. Which has the exact same effect as taking them away.

*snip*, some of us actually need those old covers. I'm just about to go into the 4* transition, and of the ones I have rostered none of them are fully covered let alone champed. Taking them away is completely 100% unacceptable. Vast majority that are available to be pulled are ones I don't care about rostering or covering. Too many duplicates and promotion of bad marvel ideas. I'd rather wait on most of them.

Then again, why should I be allowed access to characters I want/need *snip* . The majority of the playerbase need these characters and should be locked out of them.


Please do not attack other players. It is understandable that players are upset over this, and posting about why is okay. I even encourage it. Just please do not attack other players while doing so.

Thank you,
Danger.

Crowl

OneLastGambit wrote:

Chances are it'll be option b. The issue isn't that they took people out of the pool (the forum has been wanting that for a while) the issue is you want the ability to choose even though you won't choose. Which has the exact same effect as taking them away.

I think the choice most people would like to make would be to exclude some of the mediocre or worse characters from the various tiers rather than throwing out all the useful ones that happen to be older than the latest 12, besides the obvious examples like Iceman, Rulk etc if you look at the character rankings post in the other forum, we have lost the chance to easily get 2/3 of the top 20 4* characters now.

Polares

So Devs have basically broken champion levels and removed the chances of getting rewards from those, and turned this game even more into a lotery. People that was lucky will be even more far ahead than before but unlicky people are even more screwed!

Great.

Really great.

You see, right now just 5s interest me, but when I get a 4 that I have championed (I have 23, so it is a good chance) I get more rewards so makes not pulling a 5 not that bad. Now, this is has been almost completely removed, from the 14 4s I have just 4 champed! So I will have to sell A LOT of covers for iso.

JablesMc

I'm just spitballing here, but, is all of this what the "Nothing makes sense" was teasing?

smkspy

When on gf's account where she only has 3 of the current 12 fours rostered. This pretty much kills any forward progression she had when it came to 4s.

Pylgrim

whycantwesyncpc wrote:

I'm just about to go into the 4* transition, and of the ones I have rostered none of them are fully covered let alone champed. Taking them away is completely 100% unacceptable.

Solution: pick one of the characters that are closer to be max-covered and you look the most forward to play with and make it a favourite. So instead of getting a smattering of 4*s that you may or may not care for, who are close or not to be max-covered, you get a good 4* of your choice max covered and champed much more quickly than you would have before. Then pick the next one you'd like to champ and so on. This will increase your competitiveness at much higher rates that complete randomness allowed in the past. All while getting more quickly fully covered the newer 4*s which include some of the best characters in the game!

whitecat31

Dragon_Nexus wrote:

If I had my cynical hat on, I'd say they were aiming to deliberately obfuscate the odds to cause confusion and make something seem more obtainable than it actually is.
15% sounds like **** odds, but 1:7 sounds pretty damn good.

Sure except 1:7 is now 14.25%. That bonus 5 star cover makes up that 0.75% difference.

fanghoul

aesthetocyst wrote:

smkspy wrote:

When on gf's account where she only has 3 of the current 12 fours rostered. This pretty much kills any forward progression she had when it came to 4s.

Hrrm? This should accelerate her progress on those 12 4s, particularly the ones she doesn't have. Now nearly 4x more likely to draw them!

And if she has older 4*s she wants to work on, have her pick the 2 older 4*s as her favorites.

Boom.

At 1/40 odds of one of those being a bonus character drawn, she is now progressing with those two characters slightly faster than before the change.

Nepenthe

OneLastGambit wrote:

DayvBang wrote:

astrp3 wrote:

Previously, you had around a 1/8 chance (don't know the actual #s but basing it on their claim that the new rate is over 2X the old rate) for getting a 3*.

Now, you have a 1/4 chance of getting one of the 20 selected 3*s

You see, they used confusing wording there. What they actually meant when they said that 3* drop rates were doubled was that they were doubled for the characters still available in the tokens. This is staggeringly easy to do if you just take out half the possible results.

And then the 4* characters! They more than tripled the drop rate for the characters in the tokens by taking out more than two-thirds of the characters you could get!

Are you mad now?

Hypothetical scenario ....

Lets imagine instead of removing them they put them in an alternate pool. Well call it the retirement home since it contains old characters. Would you be rushing to then spend all your cp in the retirement home? Orrrr would you still be spending it on the newer characters even with the exact same odds?

Chances are it'll be option b. The issue isn't that they took people out of the pool (the forum has been wanting that for a while) the issue is you want the ability to choose even though you won't choose. Which has the exact same effect as taking them away.

I would ABSOLUTELY be pulling from the retirement home. I have those characters championed already, so I get champ rewarda and no risk of wasted covers or having to scrounge up 300k iso in a hurry. Once I had about a million iso reserved and the 12 newest had some good characters, only then would I switch, temporarily, to the newer tokens.

Don't assume that everyone would make the same choice as you.

astrp3

DayvBang wrote:

You see, they used confusing wording there. What they actually meant when they said that 3* drop rates were doubled was that they were doubled for the characters still available in the tokens. This is staggeringly easy to do if you just take out half the possible results.
And then the 4* characters! They more than tripled the drop rate for the characters in the tokens by taking out more than two-thirds of the characters you could get!
Are you mad now?

Ah, thanks for the clarification. That's not nearly as good as I thought - though I'm not mad about it and don't think the Bonus Heroes feature was a deliberate attempt to stick itto the players like some do).

So were the old odds of a 3* pull from a Heroic still 26,5%?

That's the percentage I see when I click the question mark on the store front page. My iPad version didn't have the question mark until today (I know i was in the online version and looked for it on my iPad, but never saw it until I got the Bonus Heroes update). Also, my version lists actual percentages for the stores, not ratios, so I'm not sure where people are seeing the ratios.

mwc

I hate this change for the simple fact it made my game unplayable. Can't even get into the app since this stuff has been pushed out. Anyone else having similar issues on Android 5.0.1?

firethorne

I also wish they would take some time discussing options with us before implementing, rather than just trying to keep everything super secret and redacting everything. Devs, you know it might be of use to know where the pitfalls are, before rushing head first into them.

Tiggida

Not sure if this has been said already, but why not make the latests tokens have the 3 newest 5*s and 12 newest 4*s and then put all the rest of the 4*s and 5*s into the classic tokens? Just extend the definition of latest and classic to include the 4* tier as well as the 5* tier.

whycantwesyncpc

Pylgrim wrote:

whycantwesyncpc wrote:

I'm just about to go into the 4* transition, and of the ones I have rostered none of them are fully covered let alone champed. Taking them away is completely 100% unacceptable.

Solution: pick one of the characters that are closer to be max-covered and you look the most forward to play with and make it a favourite. So instead of getting a smattering of 4*s that you may or may not care for, who are close or not to be max-covered, you get a good 4* of your choice max covered and champed much more quickly than you would have before. Then pick the next one you'd like to champ and so on. This will increase your competitiveness at much higher rates that complete randomness allowed in the past. All while getting more quickly fully covered the newer 4*s which include some of the best characters in the game!

The closest I have is maybe 6 covers. I have almost none of the twelve chosen ones rostered and 100hp. I'm going to hit that progression brick wall really fast. Unbreaking the game would be a far better solution