Welcome to the new and "improved" DDQ

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  • yamilonewolf
    yamilonewolf Posts: 6
    I believe that dpd has gotten insane my team could win it as long as i payed attention, (with some difficulty on ninjas or magia) but now a cage in round one, (effectiviely nullifying my match damage) followed by ultron's goons and then honestly i dont remember who the third wave was, but it basically finished me off, just in time to see 2dp and a spiderman grinning at me as they finished me.

    Big E was one of my main ways of getting 3*s and now i'm either going to need to spend alot of healing packs or get luckier either way I'm fairly sure this new "random" format has had ultrons goons on it every day, if you're listening this is really hurting me as a newer player. I'm close to the three star tranisition, buti cant make the leap with out more covers.
  • eddidit
    eddidit Posts: 86 Match Maker
    Some people have rosters that make TBE easy. Some people get lucky with their boards.

    Then there is the rest of us who don't have the rosters or the luck of the board to get through 4 waves of increasing difficulty, only to get (or not get) one 3* cover.

    Today is one of those days for me. To get to the 4th wave, to be constantly stunned by Spidey, fight 2 deadpools, and then wipe after whales hit me. I went through all my health packs, and even used boosts. Still could not beat it due to having a **** board each time.

    At least the old way us players who were trying to transition to better rosters had a chance of getting more 3* covers.

    Seems like a few different games I play are punishing new players by increasing difficulty. I don't mind a challenge, but we have pvp and pve for that.
  • DFiPL
    DFiPL Posts: 2,405 Chairperson of the Boards
    yamilonewolf wrote:
    either way I'm fairly sure this new "random" format has had ultrons goons on it every day

    yeah, seriously. Even Ninja **** had the courtesy to only ruin one day in five.
  • udonomefoo
    udonomefoo Posts: 1,630 Chairperson of the Boards
    Today I learned: bringing carnage to a ultron goon fight = crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit crit

    I still made it, but that was unexpected. I still like this random format, but I totally understand the 2-3 transitioners who aren't happy. They're changing it soon at least.
  • _RiO_
    _RiO_ Posts: 1,047 Chairperson of the Boards
    Tony Foot wrote:
    It was boring it needed a re-fresh.
    For a fully-leveled roster of 3 star covers moving on into 4 star territory? Yes; maybe.
    For the target audience that 3* cover in Big Enchilada was meant for? Hell no!
    Tony Foot wrote:
    It was such a chore I let my six year old do it for me. He never died either.
    I'm not sure I'd have the courage to publicly boast of a fact that puts me morally a good few step below contracting out to a chinese gold farmer.
    So; good for you ... I guess?
  • wymtime
    wymtime Posts: 3,759 Chairperson of the Boards
    For the big E I have been using KK, she Hulk, hood for probably 9 months now and with the new random nodes it is now an interesting fight. I have still not needed a health pack yet. The biggest thing people need to bring to a survival mode is an AP stealer. If you are letting goons and the AI gather AP survival mode gets really hard. OBW, Hood, Blade are all good at stealing AP and can help people out.
  • _RiO_
    _RiO_ Posts: 1,047 Chairperson of the Boards
    wymtime wrote:
    For the big E I have been using KK, she Hulk, hood for probably 9 months now and with the new random nodes it is now an interesting fight. I have still not needed a health pack yet. The biggest thing people need to bring to a survival mode is an AP stealer. If you are letting goons and the AI gather AP survival mode gets really hard. OBW, Hood, Blade are all good at stealing AP and can help people out.

    The only thing that makes an AP stealer mandatory is the addition of the Ultron goons and the way the game mechanics of a wave of those leads to max enemy AP gauges.

    Before the recent DDQ 'upgrades', strategies that didn't focus on AP mitigation were quite viable, including building up lots of DoT damage to steamroll later waves or building up AP reserves to set off a few nukes or employ mass stun in the later waves. Or even to build up enough defense tiles to entrench yourself and mitigate all incoming damage.

    The chance of encountering an Ultron goon wave single-handedly ruins those. Well; short of building up enough AP to one-hit nuke all the waves that come after the Ultron goon wave...
  • Lemminkäinen
    Lemminkäinen Posts: 378 Mover and Shaker
    eddidit wrote:
    Some people have rosters that make TBE easy.
    Two-stars Storm, Mags, and Thor make it easy. If you can get through the first wave you've won. Wait until you have 24 or more green and fire Storm's green. Voila: infinite combo. I stun everyone from the first wave onwards so that nothing ever gets a turn on me. Goons (non-Ultron) I can leave un-stunned. Purple gets blue, red, and other colours through match-fives. Red gets all the colours from Mags or yellow from Thor. Yellow gets green. Green gets all colours. Blue stuns. It's trivial.
  • Crowl
    Crowl Posts: 1,580 Chairperson of the Boards
    Tony Foot wrote:
    The cash threats always make me laugh. If a slightly harder ddq has you running away then it was only a matter of time before you quit anyway. Change it back and you will continue playing lol. So basically you only play the game because of the easy 4k iso each day? If it actually becomes a challenge you are gone?

    Maybe people are making that comment as these changes seem to indicate that the stingy mindset that pervades most other sections of this game has also been applied to ddq when it was not broken in the first place.
  • eddidit
    eddidit Posts: 86 Match Maker
    Lemminkäinen wrote:
    eddidit wrote:
    Some people have rosters that make TBE easy.
    Two-stars Storm, Mags, and Thor make it easy. If you can get through the first wave you've won. Wait until you have 24 or more green and fire Storm's green. Voila: infinite combo. I stun everyone from the first wave onwards so that nothing ever gets a turn on me. Goons (non-Ultron) I can leave un-stunned. Purple gets blue, red, and other colours through match-fives. Red gets all the colours from Mags or yellow from Thor. Yellow gets green. Green gets all colours. Blue stuns. It's trivial.

    Right it's trivial if the board works in favor of that strategy, if you can't get a good chain like that going then you're out of luck. Which has been my case, I couldn't get a good chain going till almost the 3rd wave and by that point I was low on HP to not make it through the 4th. This game is a combo of strategy and luck.

    Also you have to take it in mind that maybe not everyone is as far along in the game as you are and have a powered up Mags, Storm or Thor to even attempt a strategy like that.

    I'm all for a challenge, but I'm also for having a game stay fun by not making everything a struggle due to not having a lot of covers or if you're just starting out. DDQ should have more nodes to allow for high difficulty, they have a 1* and 2*, the TBE can be 3* and add a 4* and 5* node for those further along who want more of a challenge.
  • Tony_Foot
    Tony_Foot Posts: 1,812 Chairperson of the Boards
    _RiO_ wrote:
    Tony Foot wrote:
    It was boring it needed a re-fresh.
    For a fully-leveled roster of 3 star covers moving on into 4 star territory? Yes; maybe.
    For the target audience that 3* cover in Big Enchilada was meant for? Hell no!


    Tony Foot wrote:
    It was such a chore I let my six year old do it for me. He never died either.
    I'm not sure I'd have the courage to publicly boast of a fact that puts me morally a good few step below contracting out to a chinese gold farmer.
    So; good for you ... I guess?

    I am that target audience, It was so easy and mindless it was a boring chore. I have no 4 stars worth a ****. Its tough to do with a 2 star roster but perfectly doable and that's the point. I can't do the Clash of the Titans, do I cry about it until they make it easy, so I get a cover every day?


    My son likes playing it and it saved me the mindless boredom and 15 minutes DDQ took each day. The point is it was so simple with a 2 star team to be practically worthless. They might as well just give you the ISO and Cover for logging in. Yes my son playing the boring section is just like contracting out to a chinese gold farmer icon_rolleyes.gif

    If only tears could be converted to ISO icon_e_biggrin.gif
  • Tony_Foot
    Tony_Foot Posts: 1,812 Chairperson of the Boards
    eddidit wrote:
    Lemminkäinen wrote:
    eddidit wrote:

    Also you have to take it in mind that maybe not everyone is as far along in the game as you are and have a powered up Mags, Storm or Thor to even attempt a strategy like that.

    I'm all for a challenge, but I'm also for having a game stay fun by not making everything a struggle due to not having a lot of covers or if you're just starting out. DDQ should have more nodes to allow for high difficulty, they have a 1* and 2*, the TBE can be 3* and add a 4* and 5* node for those further along who want more of a challenge.

    The original Big E was just the same, you had to level those 2 stars up to get it done. Why should it be any different now? I used many health packs to get past the ninja levels at times. When your roster develops enough you can get it done, the same right of passage the rest of us had to slog to. If your starting out you shouldn't be finishing it, it was months before I could finish the last node.

    You are in the luckier position of more 3 stars and 2 star drops. Balancing that a little with a harder Big E is hardly the end of the world. Except everyone wants everything now!
  • tph_james
    tph_james Posts: 197 Tile Toppler
    I have always used obw, 2* Thor and 3*captain America for TBE more than 300 days. Never lost once even with the new ddq configuration.
    I believe u can substitute with 2* captain America (maxed red and blue). This team although is slow but they do the job.
    Obw to steal ap or delay enemy's cd tiles, ultron goons can't max their ap because u keep stealing them, u will wish they have more ap to be stolen.
    Captain can stun and create ridiculously powerful protect tiles... I always manage to create more than 1k protection before gaining victory. And his red, it's a beast, once blue and red ap get going, capt is unstoppable.. Just place his cd tiles at the edges of the board.. They will be hardly getting matched. Always try to stun enemy that can move the board.
    For lazy Thor, just gather enough yellow, u can create combos and get green to fire team damage.
    It's definitely winnable provided u max the 3 heroes above...
  • Lemminkäinen
    Lemminkäinen Posts: 378 Mover and Shaker
    eddidit wrote:
    Right it's trivial if the board works in favor of that strategy, if you can't get a good chain like that going then you're out of luck. Which has been my case, I couldn't get a good chain going till almost the 3rd wave and by that point I was low on HP to not make it through the 4th. This game is a combo of strategy and luck.
    You certainly could get a bad board. And those crit-Ultrons and Ultron Prime can certainly get out of hand. But that's actually very rare if you know what you're doing. It does take a bit of skill to use correctly since you need to, e.g., use Mags purple to collect correctly and not just go mindlessly after a match-five. And also never ever use Thor green until the last wave.
    Also you have to take it in mind that maybe not everyone is as far along in the game as you are and have a powered up Mags, Storm or Thor to even attempt a strategy like that.
    Without those three cover-maxed I agree that it is quite a bit more difficult. But then again, maybe BE isn't for them, then. You certainly don't need them to be level 144 or anything like that, 94 is quite enough. The thing is that the stats and such are almost irrelevant since once you have the covers, the combo is infinite. If you need to fire it off a couple of extra times, that doesn't matter.
  • Quebbster
    Quebbster Posts: 8,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Sm0keyJ0e wrote:
    Haha, TWO Deadpools in the final node? Whom to hit first??

    I guess this is random even though it's breaking the rules of their own game. I sure would like to run two DP's...
    There was an old simulator node that had three three-star Deadpools. Good to see they can still use their old tricks... or something.
    I went for Redpool first, then nuked Whitepool once Redpool had less HP and couldn't use Life of the Party.
  • Lemminkäinen
    Lemminkäinen Posts: 378 Mover and Shaker
    Quebbster wrote:
    Sm0keyJ0e wrote:
    Haha, TWO Deadpools in the final node? Whom to hit first??

    I guess this is random even though it's breaking the rules of their own game. I sure would like to run two DP's...
    There was an old simulator node that had three three-star Deadpools. Good to see they can still use their old tricks... or something.
    I went for Redpool first, then nuked Whitepool once Redpool had less HP and couldn't use Life of the Party.
    I stunned them both and then AoEd them all away at the same time.
  • Tryke
    Tryke Posts: 320 Mover and Shaker
    Haven't wiped once since the change with Thormneto. Everyone finishes above half too, this team is magic for TBE.
  • rkd80
    rkd80 Posts: 376
    Dont know if this has been said, but I would not mind the new DDQ if there was more iso rewarded to compensate for the difficulty.
  • CaptainFrugal
    CaptainFrugal Posts: 67
    I am not a big fan of the change, I am trying to make the 3 star transition but the "Big Enchilada" is too hard now. I was able to beat it around 75% of the time now I can't beat it at all.
    Yesterday I started off against Luke Cage...Really?
    Any tips on characters to use, or other suggestions.
    I still think they need to lower the difficulty back.
  • CaptainFrugal
    CaptainFrugal Posts: 67
    I tried to beat the "Big Enchilada" today 3 times, lost every time.

    Poor drops did not help at all.

    Tried it two times with
    2* Thor-108
    2* OBW-117
    2* Storm -105

    Once with
    2* Captain America -108
    2* OBW-117
    2* Storm -105

    I tend to be pretty good at this game so this sad.

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