GrumpySmurf1002 wrote: Can you really get an accurate world view when fighting a boosted version? I haven't fought her yet because there was no reason to with considerably weaker teams floating around, but anything in double digit AP strikes me as avoidable in the AI's hands.
Phaserhawk wrote: So after facing off a lot of 245 Jean Greys that were 5/3/4, I can say this. Purple is very overpowered, blue never went off, green hurts like a mofo but at least you can block it. Purple either needs damaged shaved or an increase in cost because that's way too quick for that kind of AoE dmg.
Vhailorx wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: So after facing off a lot of 245 Jean Greys that were 5/3/4, I can say this. Purple is very overpowered, blue never went off, green hurts like a mofo but at least you can block it. Purple either needs damaged shaved or an increase in cost because that's way too quick for that kind of AoE dmg. It does seem off that her purple is cheaper than khan's green, does more damage, AND has an awesome utility effect to boot in destroying enemy specials. I still think it should be possible to avoid thebpyrple most of the time. 10ap is still a 4-match move, so it's deniable if you just focus on collecting purple. But that means you have to collect purple, so you should bring someone who can do something with it.
Phaserhawk wrote: After Luke's PvP and seeing multiple maxed Jeans or close to max 5/3/4 was common, I can honestly say this. Blue--just like Loki you can play around it, never had it go off Green--Strong, hurts, but only had it go off once after a big AI cascade Purple--Had I not been running Thora, I would have gotten hit by this much more, as is, in the 14 matches against her, she got her purple off 4 times. And Thora kept it going off another 3, this skill is way too quick for the amount of dmg it does, and while Jean's health was boosted due to the bump thus increasing her chance of having it go, her dmg wasn't from what I saw. I don't want to see an AP increase, but this skill needs about 800 AoE shaved off it. Edit: I do understand Jean was boosted, and more than likely her high health increased the rate of purple, which is where the other possible nerf should go if not to skill is that her 13K health is way too high for that damage output.
Polares wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: After Luke's PvP and seeing multiple maxed Jeans or close to max 5/3/4 was common, I can honestly say this. Blue--just like Loki you can play around it, never had it go off Green--Strong, hurts, but only had it go off once after a big AI cascade Purple--Had I not been running Thora, I would have gotten hit by this much more, as is, in the 14 matches against her, she got her purple off 4 times. And Thora kept it going off another 3, this skill is way too quick for the amount of dmg it does, and while Jean's health was boosted due to the bump thus increasing her chance of having it go, her dmg wasn't from what I saw. I don't want to see an AP increase, but this skill needs about 800 AoE shaved off it. Edit: I do understand Jean was boosted, and more than likely her high health increased the rate of purple, which is where the other possible nerf should go if not to skill is that her 13K health is way too high for that damage output. So basically you are saying Jean Grey has just one good power and you want to nerf it ?!?!?! This is quite extrem... And yes it is the best AoE of the game, but she is a 4, and the only other AoE of a 4 is Carnages (which is also quite good). I think is also worth mentioning that after hitpoints were buffed AoE attacks are not as deadly (and Jeans purple is not going to be as buffed when she is boosted as others AoE like RotP or CtS), they hurt more your health packs than your chance of winning the fight. When allmost all 4s have more than 12000 hit points, 4000 is not that bad...
Phaserhawk wrote: [But the quickest way to make this game **** is to have every new character out do the next.
CrookedKnight wrote: The other thing that makes Jean's purple costing 10 more palatable is that it can't be easily accelerated, because there's only two powers in the game that specifically boost purple AP and neither of them is going to work very well with her; Espionage can only trigger if Jean is either absurdly underleveled or stunned, and Infiltration is not very helpful when you're only looking for purple.
Pylgrim wrote: Stop. Just, please stop.
Polares wrote: I still have not faced her maxed but I have to say that she should be more powerful than KK, this is why she is a 4! And yeah, purple is really good, but it is her very good ability. Green is not bad, but it is not great, and blue is good but very situational, so I think purple should be really good... And AoE are not as devastating as they used to be after the big gain in hitpoints. 4000 to all hurts bad, but you can recover from it (it hurts more your health packs than your chances of winning).
Phaserhawk wrote: Polares wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: After Luke's PvP and seeing multiple maxed Jeans or close to max 5/3/4 was common, I can honestly say this. Blue--just like Loki you can play around it, never had it go off Green--Strong, hurts, but only had it go off once after a big AI cascade Purple--Had I not been running Thora, I would have gotten hit by this much more, as is, in the 14 matches against her, she got her purple off 4 times. And Thora kept it going off another 3, this skill is way too quick for the amount of dmg it does, and while Jean's health was boosted due to the bump thus increasing her chance of having it go, her dmg wasn't from what I saw. I don't want to see an AP increase, but this skill needs about 800 AoE shaved off it. Edit: I do understand Jean was boosted, and more than likely her high health increased the rate of purple, which is where the other possible nerf should go if not to skill is that her 13K health is way too high for that damage output. So basically you are saying Jean Grey has just one good power and you want to nerf it ?!?!?! This is quite extrem... And yes it is the best AoE of the game, but she is a 4, and the only other AoE of a 4 is Carnages (which is also quite good). I think is also worth mentioning that after hitpoints were buffed AoE attacks are not as deadly (and Jeans purple is not going to be as buffed when she is boosted as others AoE like RotP or CtS), they hurt more your health packs than your chance of winning the fight. When allmost all 4s have more than 12000 hit points, 4000 is not that bad... Again, fine with her dmg, not okay with her health. Here's the issue. 4*'s have roughly a 61% advantage in health, dmg etc. Jean Grey when dropped to 3* status would look like this (assuming all skills are max 5) health 8000-8670 Mind over Matter--2375 AoE 10 AP Psychic--1272 AoE Full of --2068 AoE 12 AP When you look at it on the surface even I can say that doesn't look bad, she's a jacked up Scarlet Witch, but what I don't want and I am greatly fearing after seeing this 4*'s, is Power Creep Jean has now pushed the level of that with her purple, just be careful what you guys keep wishing for. But the quickest way to make this game **** is to have every new character out do the next.