Patch Notes - R72 (03/09/15)

El Satanno

ark123 wrote:

Uhhh.

Doesn't this just mean everyone will go into the fight with loki/hood/4thor or something similar? Just use your most defensive team equipping endless lvl270 surgical/xforce TUs?

Somehow it seems to me like giving people infinite max level 4* TUs isn't a good thing in the long run.

I'm with you on this one. They've just guaranteed that from here on out we will pretty much be seeing nothing but X-Force and 4or team-ups. I guess the only thing keeping that madness in check is the restriction to not have a team-up for a character you are using. Maybe I'm just Negative Nancy here, but I don't like it.

Kudos on the improvements to the timer situation, though.

IamTheDanger

Berto_Y wrote:

aflynn wrote:

the tease is for one character in my opinion, a telepath who can shape shift, Emma Frost

Agree.

I don't know . In the past, they have given teasers for multiple characters at once. Like "nature, animals, otherworldly beings, and robots", which we still have not gotten the robot yet. So it could be either one. However, I'm thinking Emma Frost as well. I'm hoping Prof. X, but ....... And they said it would an exciting "month". With a new character every 2 weeks, that's 2 characters per month. So, it could be a tease for only one character, but I think it's 2 different ones.

Unknown

Berto_Y wrote:

aflynn wrote:

the tease is for one character in my opinion, a telepath who can shape shift, Emma Frost

Agree.

The way I read it, is that it sounds like two different characters. So telepath jean grey 3* or Phoenix 4* because of the recent release of cyclops, and shapeshifter the only one that comes to mind that is related to an mpq existing character is morph wolverines best pal.

Unknown

El Satanno wrote:

ark123 wrote:

Uhhh.

Doesn't this just mean everyone will go into the fight with loki/hood/4thor or something similar? Just use your most defensive team equipping endless lvl270 surgical/xforce TUs?

Somehow it seems to me like giving people infinite max level 4* TUs isn't a good thing in the long run.

I'm with you on this one. They've just guaranteed that from here on out we will pretty much be seeing nothing but X-Force and 4or team-ups. I guess the only thing keeping that madness in check is the restriction to not have a team-up for a character you are using. Maybe I'm just Negative Nancy here, but I don't like it.

Kudos on the improvements to the timer situation, though.

I mean. As soon as this update is up, we're going to have a schedule of asking for team ups until everyone in my Alliance is fully stocked with 270 tus. Seems like the only reasonable way to go about it, if you're serious about pvp. You don't even have to equip tus during hops now if you have mono surgical. Shave a couple seconds.

Unknown

I don't think TU matter enough to be game breaking but I honestly don't see how they add anything useful to the game to warrant the constant revision.

Spoit

JCTthe3rd81 wrote:

Berto_Y wrote:

aflynn wrote:

the tease is for one character in my opinion, a telepath who can shape shift, Emma Frost

Agree.

I don't know . In the past, they have given teasers for multiple characters at once. Like "nature, animals, otherworldly beings, and robots", which we still have not gotten the robot yet. So it could be either one. However, I'm thinking Emma Frost as well. I'm hoping Prof. X, but ....... And they said it would an exciting "month". With a new character every 2 weeks, that's 2 characters per month. So, it could be a tease for only one character, but I think it's 2 different ones.

I mean, how long has Iron patriot been in the queue again? Before anyway

Unknown

- When you earn a Team-Up from a PVE mission/Versus node, its power is raised to the average level of your four best characters.

- The max level of a Team-Up is limited to the max level that character could have if they were in your roster when scaled up.
- Team ups will never *scale down*. So an overlevelled Team-Up will stay overlevelled. It is only Team-Ups that scale up that are capped at rarity level max.
- If the average level of your four best characters is lower than the Team-Up’s original level, you’ll get the Team-Up at its original level.

Ok So let me see if i get this. I am very confused I think. Ok, so, my top 4 average guys is 221.5 (2 max 4* and 2 max 3*)

So say I get a team up of moonstone. level 20. It will scale up to level 94. same with a level 20 patch, it would scale up to 166. and a level 20 XF would scale up to level 221?

On the other hand, it says if the average is lower than the actual level of the team up then you still get the value of the original. In other words, If I am a new player and i somehow beat a level 270 xf. I will still get the level 270 team up correct? This has no effect on alliance team ups correct? those are just sent at whatever level the person sending has?

Unknown

sms4002 wrote:

- When you earn a Team-Up from a PVE mission/Versus node, its power is raised to the average level of your four best characters.

- The max level of a Team-Up is limited to the max level that character could have if they were in your roster when scaled up.
- Team ups will never *scale down*. So an overlevelled Team-Up will stay overlevelled. It is only Team-Ups that scale up that are capped at rarity level max.
- If the average level of your four best characters is lower than the Team-Up’s original level, you’ll get the Team-Up at its original level.

Ok So let me see if i get this. I am very confused I think. Ok, so, my top 4 average guys is 221.5 (2 max 4* and 2 max 3*)

So say I get a team up of moonstone. level 20. It will scale up to level 94. same with a level 20 patch, it would scale up to 166. and a level 20 XF would scale up to level 221?

On the other hand, it says if the average is lower than the actual level of the team up then you still get the value of the original. In other words, If I am a new player and i somehow beat a level 270 xf. I will still get the level 270 team up correct? This has no effect on alliance team ups correct? those are just sent at whatever level the person sending has?

From what is written there i'll go out on a limb and say yes to everything you have written.

The only thing that doesn't seem to have changed is the number of covers each power is at. So if you're facing a lvl 20 patch it's probably a power with too few covers to be all that useful even when it's boosted to 166. Having said that though it looks like a great set of changes IMO.

Kolence

The change to TUs helps by making them stronger since now we can send our top characters and still get to use them. But it still takes time for the one we send "on patrol" to return. Until that time passes, not only you can't send the same character again, but also you have one less slot for sending other characters available too. So it's still a choice whether to send a lot of quick TUs or a few strong TUs. Upping the limit to 5 helps with managing them though.

For reference, here's the list of characters from the latest rankings sorted by time needed to return from TU duty, unless there were (ninja) changes to that too, it's a few months old :

36hours

2. 4* Thor 36h 4. 4* Nick Fury 36h

24hours

1. 4* Wolverine (X-Force) 24h 3. 3* Thor 24h 6. 3* Black Panther 24h 9. 3* Magneto (classic) 24h 12. 3* Deadpool 24h 16. 3* Human Torch 24h 17. 3* Sentry 24h 18. 3* Punisher 24h 32. 3* Storm (Mohawk) 24h

16hours

5. 3* Daken 16h 8. 3* The Hood 16h 11. 3* Wolverine (Patch) 16h 13. 3* Hulk 16h 15. 3* Captain Marvel 16h 19. 3* Falcon 16h 21. 3* Black Widow (grey suit) 16h 22. 3* Rocket and Groot 16h 23. 3* Loki 16h 24. 3* Colossus 16h 25. 3* Psylocke 16h 27. 3* Gamora 16h 28. 3* Doctor Doom 16h 30. 3* Iron Man (Model 40) 16h 34. 3* She-Hulk 16h 35. 3* Ragnarok 16h 37. 3* Doctor Octopus 16h

12hours

14. 4* Devil Dinosaur 12h 29. 2* Black Widow (original) 12h 36. 4* Invisible Woman 12h 38. 2* Storm (classic) 12h 39. 2* Thor 12h 45. 2* Human Torch 12h

8hours

7. 3* Captain America 8h 10. 3* Blade 8h 20. 3* Mystique 8h 26. 3* Daredevil 8h 31. 3* Spider-Man 8h 33. 2* Ares 8h 40. 3* Beast 8h 41. 2* Daken 8h 42. 2* Magneto (Marvel Now) 8h 43. 2* Wolverine (Astonishing) 8h 44. 2* Hawkeye (modern) 8h 46. 2* Captain Marvel 8h 49. 2* Bullseye 8h

6hours

51. 1* Black Widow (Modern) 6h 52. 1* Storm (modern) 6h

4hours

47. 2* Captain America 4h 48. 1* Juggernaut 4h 50. 2* Moonstone 4h 53. 1* Iron Man (Model 35) 4h 54. 2* Bag Man 4h 55. 1* Hawkeye (classic) 4h 56. 1* Venom 4h 57. 1* Yelena Belova ??

atomzed

El Satanno wrote:

ark123 wrote:

Uhhh.

Doesn't this just mean everyone will go into the fight with loki/hood/4thor or something similar? Just use your most defensive team equipping endless lvl270 surgical/xforce TUs?

Somehow it seems to me like giving people infinite max level 4* TUs isn't a good thing in the long run.

I'm with you on this one. They've just guaranteed that from here on out we will pretty much be seeing nothing but X-Force and 4or team-ups. I guess the only thing keeping that madness in check is the restriction to not have a team-up for a character you are using. Maybe I'm just Negative Nancy here, but I don't like it.

It won't happen. Simply because TU on defence is random from ALL possible TU. It doesn't take the TU from your repertoire, but randomly generate on TU for all characters.

So even if you have 20 Xforce TU in your repertoire, your opponent can still get Bullseye TU.

franckynight

changes for TUs are welcomed.. its gonna be useful especially while climbing and on hard nodes pve.. At high end pvp, during hops, it wont matter as everybody is playing full boosted so no slot is available..
It wont change the meta and Tus are still situational..

Pylgrim

Vinmarc43 wrote:

Ok, so i like the fact that my roster is still playable after i send teamups, but now because of this, everybody will have more dangerous teamups....Was this necessary...??? Didn't D3 had better things to fix in this game, come on man.... ?!?!?

I seriously will never stop being surprised by the ability of MPQ forumites to find reasons to complain about every single thing, positive or negative. This one even goes as far of acknowledging that he'll benefit from it, but then has to complain about a slight change on the general environment that only matters in offence? Christ. The most surprising thing, I guess, is that he didn't manage to insert a snark on how this is clearly some money-grubbing tactic.

Unknown

i like the patch notes good stuff

i'm fed up of waiting ages for my characters to be usable again. and since my top covers are 166, it is going to rock

Unknown

atomzed wrote:

El Satanno wrote:

ark123 wrote:

Uhhh.

Doesn't this just mean everyone will go into the fight with loki/hood/4thor or something similar? Just use your most defensive team equipping endless lvl270 surgical/xforce TUs?

Somehow it seems to me like giving people infinite max level 4* TUs isn't a good thing in the long run.

I'm with you on this one. They've just guaranteed that from here on out we will pretty much be seeing nothing but X-Force and 4or team-ups. I guess the only thing keeping that madness in check is the restriction to not have a team-up for a character you are using. Maybe I'm just Negative Nancy here, but I don't like it.

It won't happen. Simply because TU on defence is random from ALL possible TU. It doesn't take the TU from your repertoire, but randomly generate on TU for all characters.

So even if you have 20 Xforce TU in your repertoire, your opponent can still get Bullseye TU.

That doesn't stop you from carrying a virtual 4t or xf into every battle in your tu bar. That feels wrong to me. And the 36h restriction means that if a few people don't have the fabled 4*s in their rosters in your Alliance, they're going to have to pick and choose who they give their tus to. This of course will be no problem to alliances where everyone has max 4*s.

It also feels like it could easily be abused somehow. I can't explain exactly how, but from seeing mtg cards spoiled for years, you learn to get a feel for cards that look like they're gonna do something screwy

atomzed

ark123 wrote:

That doesn't stop you from carrying a virtual 4t or xf into every battle in your tu bar. That feels wrong to me. And the 36h restriction means that if a few people don't have the fabled 4*s in their rosters in your Alliance, they're going to have to pick and choose who they give their tus to. This of course will be no problem to alliances where everyone has max 4*s.

It also feels like it could easily be abused somehow. I can't explain exactly how, but from seeing mtg cards spoiled for years, you learn to get a feel for cards that look like they're gonna do something screwy

Tbh, I rather bring an Xforce and 4or into a battle, instead of a TU. Simply because TU is a per time use.

Can it swing a battle? Yes, cos I have won games I would have lost if I didn't use the TU.

Will it be meta breaking? No, simply because it only last for one game. When I was playing the gaunlet, I spend 6x 350 Lthor TU in a single hour of play. There is no way it can change the meta.

Unknown

atomzed wrote:

ark123 wrote:

That doesn't stop you from carrying a virtual 4t or xf into every battle in your tu bar. That feels wrong to me. And the 36h restriction means that if a few people don't have the fabled 4*s in their rosters in your Alliance, they're going to have to pick and choose who they give their tus to. This of course will be no problem to alliances where everyone has max 4*s.

It also feels like it could easily be abused somehow. I can't explain exactly how, but from seeing mtg cards spoiled for years, you learn to get a feel for cards that look like they're gonna do something screwy

Tbh, I rather bring an Xforce and 4or into a battle, instead of a TU. Simply because TU is a per time use.

Can it swing a battle? Yes, cos I have won games I would have lost if I didn't use the TU.

Will it be meta breaking? No, simply because it only last for one game. When I was playing the gaunlet, I spend 6x 350 Lthor TU in a single hour of play. There is no way it can change the meta.

You realize that you can now pool every xforce in an alliance to one guy and basically fill up a guy every 24h with xforce tus? How many tus could someone use in a pvp hopping after that first shield around 900? And you can carry 2 of one of the skills.

I'm not even saying this is going to break the meta now. I'm saying that if there's any way I can see starlord yellow being actually dangerous, it's when someone starts a pvp with 20 of them in tus. That's an actual practical application. Cheaper spells without the risk of running a dud on defense. And that's just one example, and only using characters we have right now.
How about 20 IF purples? It's pretty clear to me that this is worrying.

GrumpySmurf1002

I don't see this so I'll ask, feel free to quote the answer if it's already there. (Edit: re-read the notes, but still want clarification on this)

If you boost +3 B/G, +3All, and +3TU (using all slots where TUs would go), are you given random TUs? Or is it only if your boost/TU slots are empty?

Unknown

Thank you for adding the TU autoloader, I will most likely be using TUs now on a more regular basis.

I had suggested that feature here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22390

any chance you would look at another issue i have with duplicate same level covers with different specs?

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17413

the position of the two covers swap from event to event, and will sometimes select the wrong cover after exiting the event/game. Please make the cover position static, or at least display the power build of the character along with the current amount of hitpoints.


Much appreciated, and please keep up the good work.

Unknown

Kinda disappointing to not see Ragnarok's 3rd power here.

Unknown

dearbluey wrote:

orbitalint wrote:

Overall, like the changes to team ups but equipping a random team up seems like a attempt to use some of our more valuable ones accidentally. I don't need one every match. Maybe a 4th team up only slot in the future?

I save those suckers for high need matches and don't want to accidentally burn my 395 call the storm because it was randomly equipped on a start of a PvP or something.

I'd like to think we use at least a small spark of our brains and notice when this happens. You'll have two main chances - one, when the team up is first randomly chosen for you and two, when you see the team up flashing and you go to it to see if it'll help in the battle. I know we play the game on autopilot sometimes, but it should be okay.

It'll be ok until you use that 395-level team up on a seed team.