HoundofShadow said: There are already a number of working suggestions on how to counter those teams. Regardless of what the counter is, some will find any excuse just to dismiss those counters. They are simply not interested in counters and simply only want to see Bishop get nerfed so that they can Thorkoye or Gritty away while watching Netflix.
OJSP said: Bad said: That is the problem for not reading well. Hound of shadow didnt reply to any person specifically. Nor I did too. Yeah. He said before that if his post stuck a nerve, then it would be aimed at us.He's replying to the post above it. Otherwise, he's trolling.https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/comment/914339/#Comment_914339I wasn't replying to you either, why did you have to say anything? My reading is quite good thank you very much. No need to insult me.
Bad said: That is the problem for not reading well. Hound of shadow didnt reply to any person specifically. Nor I did too.
HoundofShadow said: At the end of the day, it boils down to how you think what the "right" counters MPQ should be establishing or promoting. On one hand, it's ridiculous to bring 2 5* to counter one 4*. On the other hand, there are also players who don't want to form teams of lower tier character or a combination of lower tier and high tier characters to counter another team. I think that if a counter team works well, it's a counter. It doesn't matter what tiers the counter teams are made up of. I have used a combination of 2* to 5* teams to counter meta teams. At this point of time, almost everything have been said about the pros and cons of nerfing Bishop. If the dev choose to nerf Bishop, everyone else has to accept it. Likewise for the other sides, they have to accept the decision.
Bad said: Right now 60% of pvp teams are thorokoye and 40% gritty, bishop or worthy. Personally I like to fight them for to add some variation. Or some excitement and gamble if you consider so.Nerf bishop and worthy and there will be only thorokoye and gritty teams. The same battle over and over.No much strategy nor smart play there. Making pay to win the only strategy for sure.
Steve111 said: More 5* should be immune to stun, they are 5* after all. Wasp could shrink into a sub atomic particle as a passive when an attempt to stun her is made. Or Banner/Hulk could get very angry coming back after a stun. Some anti Bishop passives are due?
Taganov said: I don't think anyone is saying Bishop's strength is merely stun; surprise surprise, his YELLOW is seeing use nowadays. That notwithstanding, if stun weren't in his kit, none of this 24 page thread would exist. He'd just be a blue battery.I can appreciate Smokeyjoe's caution about nerfing an entire class of characters, but mainly because D3 doesn't rebalance well. AoE powers were not nerfed with the introduction of Quake or Nightcrawler, stun didn't become less effective because of SilverSurfer and tile spammers certainly have not suffered despite SMBB/Kitty/Emma/Kraven/Mr. F/Medusa. Cultivating a small niche of characters that can respond to stun is a far better alternative to neutering 2 of the most useful characters in the game, especially with CL10 in mind.
tiomono said: Taganov said: I don't think anyone is saying Bishop's strength is merely stun; surprise surprise, his YELLOW is seeing use nowadays. That notwithstanding, if stun weren't in his kit, none of this 24 page thread would exist. He'd just be a blue battery.I can appreciate Smokeyjoe's caution about nerfing an entire class of characters, but mainly because D3 doesn't rebalance well. AoE powers were not nerfed with the introduction of Quake or Nightcrawler, stun didn't become less effective because of SilverSurfer and tile spammers certainly have not suffered despite SMBB/Kitty/Emma/Kraven/Mr. F/Medusa. Cultivating a small niche of characters that can respond to stun is a far better alternative to neutering 2 of the most useful characters in the game, especially with CL10 in mind. To me his stun is just icing on his op cake. Take away his stun and kitty gamora bishop is still an op monster. So is bishop with BRB. Both of which completely ignore bishops stun. But I have beaten that poor horse beyond death.