DAZ0273 said: You guys do realise that the people with these already Champed Worthy Cap's and level 330+ Bishop's are not likely to actually be 4* players, right? The people causing you problems are clearly 5* players - your own peers! You can come crush my 1 cover Hammer Cap with Uber Apocalypse if you like though, lol!
dkffiv said: DAZ0273 said: You guys do realise that the people with these already Champed Worthy Cap's and level 330+ Bishop's are not likely to actually be 4* players, right? The people causing you problems are clearly 5* players - your own peers! You can come crush my 1 cover Hammer Cap with Uber Apocalypse if you like though, lol! That's kinda the whole point. Apocalypse would be a "solution" to this 4*/5* problem (like Bishop / Hammer cap are a "solution" to Rocket and Groot). Devs never consider the consequences to their decisions and that's what causes problems.
DAZ0273 said: dkffiv said: DAZ0273 said: You guys do realise that the people with these already Champed Worthy Cap's and level 330+ Bishop's are not likely to actually be 4* players, right? The people causing you problems are clearly 5* players - your own peers! You can come crush my 1 cover Hammer Cap with Uber Apocalypse if you like though, lol! That's kinda the whole point. Apocalypse would be a "solution" to this 4*/5* problem (like Bishop / Hammer cap are a "solution" to Rocket and Groot). Devs never consider the consequences to their decisions and that's what causes problems. So (and no snark at all is intended here) your solution to a 5* problem (4* players rarely have these characters champed in short order and certainly not at the levels that are causing issues) is to create a 5* that crushes the tier below? Isn't that what 5* do normally? Now...put that in the hands of the non 5* playerbase who presumably wont need too many covers to embark upon their crushing (otherwise what is the point of an easy quick fix for the 5* players? If it takes them too long to get enough covers for it to deal with Bishop/Worthy Cap it is no useful fix at all) and you have simply recreated Gritty in a new form to clog up SHIELD Sim and possibly every other PvP out there! If you want 5* only participation PvP then this is the way to go!
fight4thedream said: Bishop stuns the character with the highest match damage.
jp1 said: Worthy Cap is really becoming annoying. I definitely understand how the Bishop crew feels. I think Worthy Cap is actually much worse though, like Gambit levels of power. Give me someone who steals AP passively when enemy countdowns expire please.
fight4thedream said: This actually touches on a question I have been mulling over: Should low level 450s champed 5* characters automatically be considered stronger than high level champed 4* characters? I understand why most would assume the answer is yes considering that the 5* tier has a big jump in match damage and overall health but what this gap ended up causing is the obsolescence of the lower tiers for players who had entered in the 5* realm. However, this isn't the case with the other tiers.
This actually touches on a question I have been mulling over:
Daredevil217 said: jp1 said: Worthy Cap is really becoming annoying. I definitely understand how the Bishop crew feels. I think Worthy Cap is actually much worse though, like Gambit levels of power. Give me someone who steals AP passively when enemy countdowns expire please. So..... nerf??C’mon. Join the team. I have a jersey with your name and number on it.JP#1Looks good.
Taganov said: All of these characters with damage received mechanics are really only problems at the 5 star level, which is arguably the smallest fraction of players. And even then problem is in quotes. Strats are simple. I'm sure others have thought up way better already. Mirror is easiest. If you can't, then use some 4 star team with a good stun, since their damage is too low to trigger cap. If you're feeling terribly imaginative, bust out 3 star deadpool, scarlet witch, the appropriate boosts and whom ever.
Daredevil217 said: Taganov said: All of these characters with damage received mechanics are really only problems at the 5 star level, which is arguably the smallest fraction of players. And even then problem is in quotes. Strats are simple. I'm sure others have thought up way better already. Mirror is easiest. If you can't, then use some 4 star team with a good stun, since their damage is too low to trigger cap. If you're feeling terribly imaginative, bust out 3 star deadpool, scarlet witch, the appropriate boosts and whom ever. How deep into 5* land are you?Mirror works for Cap most of the time (unless you get an “unlucky” cascade). But, I maintain that Cap isn’t actually broken. Even with Hawk, they are a super easy team to take down. Mirror doesn’t really work for Bishop though. Even if you avoid high-damage matches, their Bishop will trigger your Bishop resulting in dueling overclocks and your team being stunlocked. I really have not found a way around him.Busting out 3* teams doesn’t work because match damage alone will kill you.And I shouldn’t have to bench all my 5* just to deal with one problematic 4*. Point blank.
ThaRoadWarrior said: Okoye + Profe$$or X + 2TU can get bishop done pretty regularly if there is a match-N in the first turn or two. I have a harder time with WCap for some reason; I need to come up with a good counter for that still.
Vins2 said: fight4thedream said: This actually touches on a question I have been mulling over: Should low level 450s champed 5* characters automatically be considered stronger than high level champed 4* characters? I understand why most would assume the answer is yes considering that the 5* tier has a big jump in match damage and overall health but what this gap ended up causing is the obsolescence of the lower tiers for players who had entered in the 5* realm. However, this isn't the case with the other tiers. The barrier for entry into covering a 450 5* should be reason enough to say yes. It takes 6+ months of hoarding and you're still subject to RNG giving you the right distribution of colors on the right character.
pheregas said: Vins2 said: fight4thedream said: This actually touches on a question I have been mulling over: Should low level 450s champed 5* characters automatically be considered stronger than high level champed 4* characters? I understand why most would assume the answer is yes considering that the 5* tier has a big jump in match damage and overall health but what this gap ended up causing is the obsolescence of the lower tiers for players who had entered in the 5* realm. However, this isn't the case with the other tiers. The barrier for entry into covering a 450 5* should be reason enough to say yes. It takes 6+ months of hoarding and you're still subject to RNG giving you the right distribution of colors on the right character. Just brings me back to the pre-5 archaic days when 5*s were introduced and we were told that a single cover of a 5* character would make them viable. How the times have changed...
DAZ0273 said: pheregas said: Vins2 said: fight4thedream said: This actually touches on a question I have been mulling over: Should low level 450s champed 5* characters automatically be considered stronger than high level champed 4* characters? I understand why most would assume the answer is yes considering that the 5* tier has a big jump in match damage and overall health but what this gap ended up causing is the obsolescence of the lower tiers for players who had entered in the 5* realm. However, this isn't the case with the other tiers. The barrier for entry into covering a 450 5* should be reason enough to say yes. It takes 6+ months of hoarding and you're still subject to RNG giving you the right distribution of colors on the right character. Just brings me back to the pre-5 archaic days when 5*s were introduced and we were told that a single cover of a 5* character would make them viable. How the times have changed... Well it was true for OML so they took care of that with a lovely rebalance. I guess arguably it is still true for Kitty (although 2 yellow is better)...at least half the players in Shield Sim seem to think so every season judging by the fact they will team her with almost anything that moves regardless of whether they have better options. Anybody else worth having as a 1 cover 5*? Cable's green hits quite hard and can double as an aoe - possibly quite nice to have as a 3* player.