New Feature in R191: Shards

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  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 183 Tile Toppler
    edited November 2019
    crackninja said:
    OJSP said:
    If a 5* character has some shards already while a feeder is announced for them, wouldn't it be better to continue until we get the cover? Considering we'd get a steady stream of covers from the 4* feeder, I'd argue we should continue until we eliminate any left over shards. Then, we could move on to the next one.

    I understand it's going to be a very slow process, but recycling a 4* or building a duplicate 4* is an option if we play long enough and we will get more 5* covers from the champion rewards. That one cover for the 5000 iso from lvl 452 reward could be what gets us faster to the next LT.
    What I think is ultimately going to happen is we will.be getting some quantity of shards for all 5*'s from rewards.  So we will get value from these shards eventually.  It will feel like a waste to see shards we purchased or got from opening tokens get lost in the ocean so to speak, but it's a sunk cost at that point and for me it will really just depend on how close to getting that cover I am.  Most likely I'll cut bait, because my one and only goal at this point is to champ them all.
    Key word: eventually.

    This is not great for many at the moment.  If it were there since the beginning then it wouldn't be a problem.  I'm not complaining that it wasn't.  Growth is necessary.  This is actually pretty good for newer players.. sort of.  See my post above about roster slots.

    Sadly, for the 5* tier, and the 4* to an extent, with new characters always coming, this will always be a grind and there will always be concerns about who to sharget due to perceived wastage.
  • crackninja
    crackninja Posts: 444 Mover and Shaker
    Chameleon said:
    crackninja said:
    OJSP said:
    If a 5* character has some shards already while a feeder is announced for them, wouldn't it be better to continue until we get the cover? Considering we'd get a steady stream of covers from the 4* feeder, I'd argue we should continue until we eliminate any left over shards. Then, we could move on to the next one.

    I understand it's going to be a very slow process, but recycling a 4* or building a duplicate 4* is an option if we play long enough and we will get more 5* covers from the champion rewards. That one cover for the 5000 iso from lvl 452 reward could be what gets us faster to the next LT.
    What I think is ultimately going to happen is we will.be getting some quantity of shards for all 5*'s from rewards.  So we will get value from these shards eventually.  It will feel like a waste to see shards we purchased or got from opening tokens get lost in the ocean so to speak, but it's a sunk cost at that point and for me it will really just depend on how close to getting that cover I am.  Most likely I'll cut bait, because my one and only goal at this point is to champ them all.
    Key word: eventually.

    This is not great for many at the moment.  If it were there since the beginning then it wouldn't be a problem.  I'm not complaining that it wasn't.  Growth is necessary.  This is actually pretty good for newer players.. sort of.  See my post above about roster slots.

    Sadly, for the 5* tier, and the 4* to an extent, with new characters always coming, this will always be a grind and there will always be concerns about who to sharget due to perceived wastage.
    Oh, I agree.  The human reaction of many will be disappointment at getting the cover via a feeder or lucky pull after investing in that character.
    But as far as trying to see the potential of the system, this is really just a way for us to get fractions of a cover, which means they can be included in places where the bean counters would never allow a full cover to be included.
    If they deliver on this promise then yeah it's not particularly satisfying to get shards vs full covers, but we'll be better for it and we will get value for those wasted shards.  If they don't do this or give them out in small quantities to where there is no point, I forsee more retirement posts.
  • Kahmon
    Kahmon Posts: 640 Critical Contributor
    I've been a VIP since the program began. At first it was a great value, but as I've progressed to the point of earning rewards faster, the value has diminished. Still, I didn't mind contributing $10 a month to a game that I mostly enjoy... until now.

    Between the annoying new UI needing twice the clicks to open packs, twice the clicks to save a cover, and now making us deal with fractions of characters, I feel MPQ only deserves a fraction of my money.

    My VIP runs out around the end of the month and for the first time I will not be renewing. I intend to only get the $2 hero points each month just for the intercepts. This alone won't affect their bottom line, but it sounds like plenty of others dislike the changes even more than I do. If others do the same they will have to realize how bad this is.
  • Pongie
    Pongie Posts: 1,413 Chairperson of the Boards
    Already wasted 111 shards targeting my 2/5/5 torch. Didn’t realise the red was in pve progression AND shield sim for the season. Should have targeted 2099 spidey instead (5/3/2).
  • RickOShay
    RickOShay Posts: 452 Mover and Shaker
    Well that stinks my friend.
    But to be fair, that's not exactly shards to blame, just bad luck timing right?

    This is a character build that you would never comfortably set as a BH. Targeting offers a nice solution for your 2/5/5 situation. Your only other option would be to wait until...
     he comes around in the rewards cycle.

    I can't tell you how many times I've set a character as a BH, I get it finally, and then they are rewarded a couple events later..

  • The rockett
    The rockett Posts: 2,016 Chairperson of the Boards
    I hope they come up with a better way for you to manage and look at who is getting shards. Maybe it would be a drop down, like how you select you * for the characters.  This would then list who all has shards on your roster.  
  • Xception81
    Xception81 Posts: 435 Mover and Shaker
    The rockett said:
    I hope they come up with a better way for you to manage and look at who is getting shards. Maybe it would be a drop down, like how you select you * for the characters.  This would then list who all has shards on your roster.  
    Agreed. I like that you can see how many shards your selected shard characters have if you click the ? mark in any cover-pack screen, but that doesn’t help for a character who’s no longer selected but does have shards on them. 
  • Wonko33
    Wonko33 Posts: 985 Critical Contributor
    Pongie said:
    Already wasted 111 shards targeting my 2/5/5 torch. Didn’t realise the red was in pve progression AND shield sim for the season. Should have targeted 2099 spidey instead (5/3/2).
    compared to how many times you got a bonus hero of the wrong color? 
  • Pongie
    Pongie Posts: 1,413 Chairperson of the Boards
    Wonko33 said:
    Pongie said:
    Already wasted 111 shards targeting my 2/5/5 torch. Didn’t realise the red was in pve progression AND shield sim for the season. Should have targeted 2099 spidey instead (5/3/2).
    compared to how many times you got a bonus hero of the wrong color? 
    I hoard and only pull to complete someone. Therefore, I have never gotten a wasted bonus hero. See the link to my progress report (in my signature) that shows each time I pulled. 
  • The rockett
    The rockett Posts: 2,016 Chairperson of the Boards
    Dogface said:
    DyingLegend said:
    Wonko33 said:
    Pongie said:
    Already wasted 111 shards targeting my 2/5/5 torch. Didn’t realise the red was in pve progression AND shield sim for the season. Should have targeted 2099 spidey instead (5/3/2).
    compared to how many times you got a bonus hero of the wrong color? 

    Yeah but when you would pull a bonus hero in the wrong color, it's more of a aw shucks moment. Now if you pull the 13th when you have 300+ shards in a cover it's more of a what the "tiny kitty" moment.... 
    I can tell you the moment my 5/5/0 Okoye didn't get the red cover from BH I wanted, aw shucks weren't the words leaving my mouth.
    So I am very curious about this and others that talk about 5/5/0 or whatever type of 5* that have feeders.  I have seen many people comment about this but I question if you were BHing their feeder. Like Shuri, was she BHed?  I get that you would need one at 360 and a dupe at 330 to champ just by the feeders but i still wonder about this.  
  • tiomono
    tiomono Posts: 1,654 Chairperson of the Boards
    The rockett said:
    Dogface said:
    DyingLegend said:
    Wonko33 said:
    Pongie said:
    Already wasted 111 shards targeting my 2/5/5 torch. Didn’t realise the red was in pve progression AND shield sim for the season. Should have targeted 2099 spidey instead (5/3/2).
    compared to how many times you got a bonus hero of the wrong color? 

    Yeah but when you would pull a bonus hero in the wrong color, it's more of a aw shucks moment. Now if you pull the 13th when you have 300+ shards in a cover it's more of a what the "tiny kitty" moment.... 
    I can tell you the moment my 5/5/0 Okoye didn't get the red cover from BH I wanted, aw shucks weren't the words leaving my mouth.
    So I am very curious about this and others that talk about 5/5/0 or whatever type of 5* that have feeders.  I have seen many people comment about this but I question if you were BHing their feeder. Like Shuri, was she BHed?  I get that you would need one at 360 and a dupe at 330 to champ just by the feeders but i still wonder about this.  
    People get natural pulls for the character. And many players do not have 4*'s at the 320 mark yet. So it's very possible to have the feeder bonuses and not be up to 320. I had my shuri bonuses for several months at one point and she is only 290. My okoye is 5-4-1.
  • ZeiramMR
    ZeiramMR Posts: 1,357 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited November 2019
    The rockett said:
    Dogface said:
    DyingLegend said:
    Wonko33 said:
    Pongie said:
    Already wasted 111 shards targeting my 2/5/5 torch. Didn’t realise the red was in pve progression AND shield sim for the season. Should have targeted 2099 spidey instead (5/3/2).
    compared to how many times you got a bonus hero of the wrong color? 

    Yeah but when you would pull a bonus hero in the wrong color, it's more of a aw shucks moment. Now if you pull the 13th when you have 300+ shards in a cover it's more of a what the "tiny kitty" moment.... 
    I can tell you the moment my 5/5/0 Okoye didn't get the red cover from BH I wanted, aw shucks weren't the words leaving my mouth.
    So I am very curious about this and others that talk about 5/5/0 or whatever type of 5* that have feeders.  I have seen many people comment about this but I question if you were BHing their feeder. Like Shuri, was she BHed?  I get that you would need one at 360 and a dupe at 330 to champ just by the feeders but i still wonder about this.  
    Speaking for myself, I don't have any 5/5/0 5* characters currently (my only one in the recent-ish past was Daredevil and I used a forum contest reward to get the missing cover). But I do have quite a few 5* characters with unbalanced cover distribution.

    With Bonus Heroes, I didn't want to risk getting a Saved Cover so I only favorited meta 5* characters that I had champed. With Shards, I switched to a character that will not be completed by a single set of 4* feeder covers (Thanos at 2/3/7 with G4mora at level 335)
  • Ed_Dragonrider
    Ed_Dragonrider Posts: 603 Critical Contributor
    So, when is R192 coming then? This week? Next?
     And will it contain updates to include this new mighty token, or additional shards or is that still quite a ways away?
    Basically any info on what's coming up and when would be much appreciated...
  • shardwick
    shardwick Posts: 2,121 Chairperson of the Boards
    Well, I got some heroics from lightning rounds. Slowly grinding away to get a 13th Sabretooth. First heroic gives me shards for 4* Widow. "That's weird. I should only be getting 4* shards for Sabretooth." So I check to see my targeted heroes and the game added Widow even though she's fully covered already. So, yes, wasted shards do exist.
  • DeNappa
    DeNappa Posts: 1,431 Chairperson of the Boards
    I just realized that I missed a downside to targeting a hero that you have only a few covers for. Sorry if someone brought this up already, but so far my thinking was more about the 'wasted' shards scenario for 12 covers. This is kind of a variation on that, but then for low-covered heroes.

    My 5* Hawkeye is at 1/2/2. Suppose I TH him, and save enough shards to level up a power. What color am I going to apply it to? Probably purple, to make him 2/2/2. But, if my next 5 organic pulls for HE are also purple, I will still regret that choice. Same-color streaks like that may not be very common, but not too rare either (e.g. my IMXLVI is sitting at 6/0/0).

    Of course I can still enjoy a better covered character in the meantime, but in terms of 'using the system to complete a character', it fails again, unless I postpone applying the shards until the moment where I'm sure can finish him. 

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