Mainloop25 said: Of course they don't owe it to us, but the lack of good will shown by taking away a gift and calling it a mistake... You don't see how that can ruin people the wrong way? Really?? Are you middle management in a corporation?
shteev said: Lagartha said: You guys can all have my Sunder. I can't fathom ever using it. =/ I'll swap you for my Counterspell.
Lagartha said: You guys can all have my Sunder. I can't fathom ever using it. =/
babar3355 said: Alright Ohboy you win. D3 is a shining beacon of generosity and competence.I now remember why I don't bother reading 99% of what you post. Trolls gonna troll.
Alright Ohboy you win. D3 is a shining beacon of generosity and competence.
I now remember why I don't bother reading 99% of what you post. Trolls gonna troll.
Mainloop25 said: Of course they don't owe it to us, but the lack of good will shown by taking away a gift and calling it a mistake... You don't see how that can rub people the wrong way? Really?? Are you middle management in a corporation? That said, I'm perfectly happy with the 50 crystals they just gave us to apologize for the apology. However, if those 50 crystals were to suddenly disappear, I would feel perfectly justified in slinging mud at them.
Pcell777 said: How about this analogy.A delivery truck carrying boxes of sneakers heading to your local Foot Locker store had an accident and flipped over. Sneaker boxes scattered all over the road. Bystanders, some were your friends, quickly grabbed some boxes and ran. He called you on the phone saying "Hurry, come get free sneakers!" But when you arrived at the scene, Foot Locker staffs have already secured the remaining sneakers and put them on another delivery truck.Now, you are shouting at them, "Greedy bastards, give me those sneakers!" Who is the greedy one here?
That's a terrible analogy.
A gift was delivered to everyone's inbox. It was a mistake. Some players collected the gift. D3H now approached a fork in the road:
1. Let all players keep the gifts.
2. Pull the unclaimed gifts from the players that did not claim it.
Choosing path #1 would guarantee everyone is happy and on a level footing. Since it is an underwhelming Elite pack rotation, you're not flooding players' libraries with anything OP.
Choosing path #2 would create an imbalance in the situation: Some players were rewarded, and the rest were left in the dust. While the players who received the pack are personally satisfied, the players who missed out are upset that the opportunity was clawed back before they could grasp it.
The problem is this: D3H could have chosen either path. They chose Path #2. That is the only issue here. The decision they made wasn't a very generous one, it was more of a damage control one. They did not see the accidental reward for players as an unintentional boon for the community, they in fact saw it as damaging their economy or their "state of the game".
So how does that make us feel? Well, it's more important to keep us in check than to distribute spontaneous gifts. Guess what, that is where all the disappointment is coming from. Not pettiness, not entitlement, and not greed.
Pcell777 said: My analogy was straight forward.Foot Locker = D3GoThe truck accidently flipped = gifts were accidently given outThe bystanders who stole the sneakers = players who grabbed the gift in time.You = You (ppl who were too late to get freebies) The Accident were not meant to happen. Foot Locker and D3Go have every right to reclaim whatever left of their products. And you have no right to ask them for anyhing not meant for you for free. This is not some deep philosophy, it is a human common sense.
It's a terrible analogy because nobody stole anything. A truck didn't flip over. You're also talking about complete strangers that have no business with the company, instead of a dedicated community that funds this entire application with their hard earned money.
A more accurate analogy would be that Footlocker delivered a new pair of shoes to all of its frequent customers on file by mistake. Then instead of leaving it there, they took the time to go to everyone's house to take the box out of the mailbox from those who didn't claim it yet.
The issue is that they decided to go door to door to claim it back, instead of just leaving it as a gift for their frequent customers. We fund the game, so distributing an extra card would raise spirits and could even generate more funding. But let's throw away all that good will and preserve our precious cards that will expire several months down the road instead. Sad part is that is a management decision and the devs are going to take the heat for it.
Steeme said: Pcell777 said: My analogy was straight forward.Foot Locker = D3GoThe truck accidently flipped = gifts were accidently given outThe bystanders who stole the sneakers = players who grabbed the gift in time.You = You (ppl who were too late to get freebies) The Accident were not meant to happen. Foot Locker and D3Go have every right to reclaim whatever left of their products. And you have no right to ask them for anyhing not meant for you for free. This is not some deep philosophy, it is a human common sense. ...A more accurate analogy would be that Footlocker delivered a new pair of shoes to all of its frequent customers on file by mistake. Then instead of leaving it there, they took the time to go to everyone's house to take the box out of the mailbox from those who didn't claim it yet.The issue is that they decided to go door to door to claim it back, instead of just leaving it as a gift for their frequent customers. We fund the game, so distributing an extra card would raise spirits and could even generate more funding. But let's throw away all that good will and preserve our precious cards that will expire several months down the road instead. Sad part is that is a management decision and the devs are going to take the heat for it.
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Pcell777 said: Hey, your analogy is better than mine :-). But the conclusion is the same. A company can reward their customers with gifts. That doesnt mean customers are entitled to ask for free gifts from the company. People who are complaining about not getting free gifts are greedy. People who are angry that some got the gift while they don't are just envious. Generosity is a choice, not a virtue, especially in business.
I don't think you understand why players are upset. Like I said in my post, this is not about pettiness, greed, or entitlement. It's about the choice that D3H made. Instead of choosing the positive path #1, they took the negative path #2. That means they are more interested in damage control than nurturing a happy player base.
The irony is that by damaging player morale, they are actually causing more damage than they are preventing.
Pcell777 said: Steeme said: Pcell777 said: My analogy was straight forward.Foot Locker = D3GoThe truck accidently flipped = gifts were accidently given outThe bystanders who stole the sneakers = players who grabbed the gift in time.You = You (ppl who were too late to get freebies) The Accident were not meant to happen. Foot Locker and D3Go have every right to reclaim whatever left of their products. And you have no right to ask them for anyhing not meant for you for free. This is not some deep philosophy, it is a human common sense. ...A more accurate analogy would be that Footlocker delivered a new pair of shoes to all of its frequent customers on file by mistake. Then instead of leaving it there, they took the time to go to everyone's house to take the box out of the mailbox from those who didn't claim it yet.The issue is that they decided to go door to door to claim it back, instead of just leaving it as a gift for their frequent customers. We fund the game, so distributing an extra card would raise spirits and could even generate more funding. But let's throw away all that good will and preserve our precious cards that will expire several months down the road instead. Sad part is that is a management decision and the devs are going to take the heat for it. Hey, your analogy is better than mine :-). But the conclusion is the same. A company can reward their customers with gifts. That doesnt mean customers are entitled to ask for free gifts from the company. People who are complaining about not getting free gifts are greedy. People who are angry that some got the gift while they don't are just envious. Generosity is a choice, not a virtue, especially in business.
Ohboy said: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-KSryJXDpZoThis thread in video form.
shteev said: Pcell777 said: Steeme said: Pcell777 said: My analogy was straight forward.Foot Locker = D3GoThe truck accidently flipped = gifts were accidently given outThe bystanders who stole the sneakers = players who grabbed the gift in time.You = You (ppl who were too late to get freebies) The Accident were not meant to happen. Foot Locker and D3Go have every right to reclaim whatever left of their products. And you have no right to ask them for anyhing not meant for you for free. This is not some deep philosophy, it is a human common sense. ...A more accurate analogy would be that Footlocker delivered a new pair of shoes to all of its frequent customers on file by mistake. Then instead of leaving it there, they took the time to go to everyone's house to take the box out of the mailbox from those who didn't claim it yet.The issue is that they decided to go door to door to claim it back, instead of just leaving it as a gift for their frequent customers. We fund the game, so distributing an extra card would raise spirits and could even generate more funding. But let's throw away all that good will and preserve our precious cards that will expire several months down the road instead. Sad part is that is a management decision and the devs are going to take the heat for it. Hey, your analogy is better than mine :-). But the conclusion is the same. A company can reward their customers with gifts. That doesnt mean customers are entitled to ask for free gifts from the company. People who are complaining about not getting free gifts are greedy. People who are angry that some got the gift while they don't are just envious. Generosity is a choice, not a virtue, especially in business. The bit that this analogy is missing is this:Those are magic sneakers that let people run faster. Wayde Van Niekerk got a pair, and Usain Bolt didn't.The problem is that the IAAF has decided it will let people run competitive events in their magic sneakers.Now I could see how one refutation of this analogy might be that the magic sneakers are tinykitty, and to that, I say: yes, prizes in MTGPQ are really tinykitty now.
Ohboy said: shteev said: Pcell777 said: Steeme said: Pcell777 said: My analogy was straight forward.Foot Locker = D3GoThe truck accidently flipped = gifts were accidently given outThe bystanders who stole the sneakers = players who grabbed the gift in time.You = You (ppl who were too late to get freebies) The Accident were not meant to happen. Foot Locker and D3Go have every right to reclaim whatever left of their products. And you have no right to ask them for anyhing not meant for you for free. This is not some deep philosophy, it is a human common sense. ...A more accurate analogy would be that Footlocker delivered a new pair of shoes to all of its frequent customers on file by mistake. Then instead of leaving it there, they took the time to go to everyone's house to take the box out of the mailbox from those who didn't claim it yet.The issue is that they decided to go door to door to claim it back, instead of just leaving it as a gift for their frequent customers. We fund the game, so distributing an extra card would raise spirits and could even generate more funding. But let's throw away all that good will and preserve our precious cards that will expire several months down the road instead. Sad part is that is a management decision and the devs are going to take the heat for it. Hey, your analogy is better than mine :-). But the conclusion is the same. A company can reward their customers with gifts. That doesnt mean customers are entitled to ask for free gifts from the company. People who are complaining about not getting free gifts are greedy. People who are angry that some got the gift while they don't are just envious. Generosity is a choice, not a virtue, especially in business. The bit that this analogy is missing is this:Those are magic sneakers that let people run faster. Wayde Van Niekerk got a pair, and Usain Bolt didn't.The problem is that the IAAF has decided it will let people run competitive events in their magic sneakers.Now I could see how one refutation of this analogy might be that the magic sneakers are tinykitty, and to that, I say: yes, prizes in MTGPQ are really tinykitty now. I didn't see you complaining when your team got sponsored magic sneakers that helped you win competitive events. You had a whole shelf of them. And those weren't tinykitty sneakers either.
shteev said: Ohboy said: shteev said: Pcell777 said: Steeme said: Pcell777 said: My analogy was straight forward.Foot Locker = D3GoThe truck accidently flipped = gifts were accidently given outThe bystanders who stole the sneakers = players who grabbed the gift in time.You = You (ppl who were too late to get freebies) The Accident were not meant to happen. Foot Locker and D3Go have every right to reclaim whatever left of their products. And you have no right to ask them for anyhing not meant for you for free. This is not some deep philosophy, it is a human common sense. ...A more accurate analogy would be that Footlocker delivered a new pair of shoes to all of its frequent customers on file by mistake. Then instead of leaving it there, they took the time to go to everyone's house to take the box out of the mailbox from those who didn't claim it yet.The issue is that they decided to go door to door to claim it back, instead of just leaving it as a gift for their frequent customers. We fund the game, so distributing an extra card would raise spirits and could even generate more funding. But let's throw away all that good will and preserve our precious cards that will expire several months down the road instead. Sad part is that is a management decision and the devs are going to take the heat for it. Hey, your analogy is better than mine :-). But the conclusion is the same. A company can reward their customers with gifts. That doesnt mean customers are entitled to ask for free gifts from the company. People who are complaining about not getting free gifts are greedy. People who are angry that some got the gift while they don't are just envious. Generosity is a choice, not a virtue, especially in business. The bit that this analogy is missing is this:Those are magic sneakers that let people run faster. Wayde Van Niekerk got a pair, and Usain Bolt didn't.The problem is that the IAAF has decided it will let people run competitive events in their magic sneakers.Now I could see how one refutation of this analogy might be that the magic sneakers are tinykitty, and to that, I say: yes, prizes in MTGPQ are really tinykitty now. I didn't see you complaining when your team got sponsored magic sneakers that helped you win competitive events. You had a whole shelf of them. And those weren't tinykitty sneakers either. Really. You've never seen me post anything about game balance. I see.I have to agree with m'colleague @babar3355 on this one... you are trolling us.Hey that's weird... when I editted this post, it stopped condensing the quotes...
Ohboy said: I didn't see you complaining when your team got sponsored magic sneakers that helped you win competitive events. You had a whole shelf of them. And those weren't tinykitty sneakers either.
I don't recall getting sponsored. I recall having a team that scored the most points. Some might call that winning the sneakers.
I guess you got sponsored every time you spent 2-3 days of your life grinding QB for a pair of magic sneakers. It probably didn't feel like a gift did it? And why did you refuse to join a top coalition?
Anyway, my stance is well known. Let everyone who is willing to put enough time and/or money into the game collect all of the available sneakers. Then we don't have to feel resentment and frustration over a game that relies entirely too much on blind luck.
We could actually compete to see who the best players are rather than who has the best cards.
We could actually discuss deck building and try out other player's decks rather than having to find substitutes for everything.
We could actually get excited about a new set coming out rather than knowing that we won't actually get to play with 80% of the mythics.