Tripwire wrote: As of now, I'm going to be dialing back my involvement with MPQ until I see how this gets resolved.
simonsez wrote: onimus wrote: And IF will, undoubtedly, become oppressive unless he is nerfed. There's really no way to debate that. So how is it my lv230 IF was batted around like a pinata? After getting the 900 pt prog award, I ended up getting hit all the way down to 707. Seriously, the only person I got any defensive wins off of was you. I could've put up any sort of reasonable formation and wouldn't have gotten hit any worse than that. So clearly people aren't afraid of him and aren't having any problem beating him.
onimus wrote: And IF will, undoubtedly, become oppressive unless he is nerfed. There's really no way to debate that.
simonsez wrote: My favorite thing about IF is that I haven't seen a new "nerf XForce!" thread in over a week. Still haven't to seen an IF nerf idea that would leave me with a character I'd want to use...
Narkon wrote: Just a guess, but maybe the only people who attacked you were also using a high level IF/XF.
simonsez wrote: Narkon wrote: Just a guess, but maybe the only people who attacked you were also using a high level IF/XF. No, not at all. Going through the retals, I don't remember seeing any higher than the low 100s. Some weren't even running GT. Definitely wasn't a case of whales plowing through everything.
onimus wrote: Because I had no purple covers
onimus wrote: This is just like Sentry. And Ragnarok. And Spider man. And Magneto.
Phaserhawk wrote: IF's Green--Is actually underpowered IMO, I would like to see some of the black strength go into here.
dkffiv wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: IF's Green--Is actually underpowered IMO, I would like to see some of the black strength go into here. IF green flat out outclasses Psylocke's red and Gamora's black. I much prefer it over Sentry's yellow and I think its slightly better than R&G's blue. BP is the standard for premier strike generation and IF is pretty comparable. IF is cheaper but on a less favorable color. His base tiles are weaker but the ability deals damage. His buffed tiles are stronger and the condition to generate I'd argue is easier but he requires more open tiles. I'd say his overall kit is better because BP's blue sucks.
Phaserhawk wrote: dkffiv wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: IF's Green--Is actually underpowered IMO, I would like to see some of the black strength go into here. IF green flat out outclasses Psylocke's red and Gamora's black. I much prefer it over Sentry's yellow and I think its slightly better than R&G's blue. BP is the standard for premier strike generation and IF is pretty comparable. IF is cheaper but on a less favorable color. His base tiles are weaker but the ability deals damage. His buffed tiles are stronger and the condition to generate I'd argue is easier but he requires more open tiles. I'd say his overall kit is better because BP's blue sucks. Psylocke,Gamora, Sentry? You just listed probably 3 of worst characters in the game. IF's green is comparable to Punisher's Judgment. IF gets higher intial damage but Pun gets cascade potential and their tiles are almost the same damage, assuming you get IF to the threshhold (comparing level 3 IF) I guess when I think about it, even his green is OP compared to Punisher because at level 3 it's doing the same as a maxed Judgement for Punisher.
dkffiv wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: dkffiv wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: IF's Green--Is actually underpowered IMO, I would like to see some of the black strength go into here. IF green flat out outclasses Psylocke's red and Gamora's black. I much prefer it over Sentry's yellow and I think its slightly better than R&G's blue. BP is the standard for premier strike generation and IF is pretty comparable. IF is cheaper but on a less favorable color. His base tiles are weaker but the ability deals damage. His buffed tiles are stronger and the condition to generate I'd argue is easier but he requires more open tiles. I'd say his overall kit is better because BP's blue sucks. Psylocke,Gamora, Sentry? You just listed probably 3 of worst characters in the game. IF's green is comparable to Punisher's Judgment. IF gets higher intial damage but Pun gets cascade potential and their tiles are almost the same damage, assuming you get IF to the threshhold (comparing level 3 IF) I guess when I think about it, even his green is OP compared to Punisher because at level 3 it's doing the same as a maxed Judgement for Punisher. I tried to edit in Punisher but it kept hanging on submit. He is pretty similar to Punisher, Punisher ends up destroying your tiles way more than he effectively cascades whereas IF will run out of red tiles with repeat casts. Punisher and BP are the best cast activated strike tiles and IF seems just as good. His "worst" ability is on par with the best of its class.
simonsez wrote: onimus wrote: Because I had no purple covers And yet you could still beat a 5 purple IF (in between the times you were losing). I'm just saying, when I wasn't worth that many points, it wasn't hard to find a much easier IF, so if people weren't bothering to skip and battle one of those instead, he might not be the boogeyman you guys are making him out to be.
simonsez wrote: onimus wrote: This is just like Sentry. And Ragnarok. And Spider man. And Magneto. Hyperbole much? IF doesn't let you win in 1 move. He doesn't have a 2AP ability. And he doesn't generate infinite turns. Just say you don't like him because his moves are too powerful for your liking. Don't make invalid comparisons like that.
onimus wrote: simonsez wrote: onimus wrote: Because I had no purple covers And yet you could still beat a 5 purple IF (in between the times you were losing). I'm just saying, when I wasn't worth that many points, it wasn't hard to find a much easier IF, so if people weren't bothering to skip and battle one of those instead, he might not be the boogeyman you guys are making him out to be. And? Sentry teams were attacked too. Being beatable on defense doesn't make a character not overpowered.