Cryptobrancus wrote: And this is not his problem power. The purple is the OP one. So even if you can prevent his purple his black will always punish your team, making your attack team take that much more damage. He is bad for the game because he is amazing on defense and even better on offense. He has no downside at all. .
Wonko33 wrote: Cryptobrancus wrote: And this is not his problem power. The purple is the OP one. So even if you can prevent his purple his black will always punish your team, making your attack team take that much more damage. He is bad for the game because he is amazing on defense and even better on offense. He has no downside at all. . His Downside is that he takes 4thor's spot , he's going to be the King of Shield simulator and the PvP when he's featured. I've just played tons of matches against him, xforce and 4thor, never lost one, he might be good on offense but people are exaggerating his defensive skills - So you guys think people will drop 4thor and run xforce-IF in the next PvP? Id rather keep my xforce -4thor and feed tons of charged yellows to Cage.
NorthernPolarity wrote: Wonko33 wrote: Cryptobrancus wrote: And this is not his problem power. The purple is the OP one. So even if you can prevent his purple his black will always punish your team, making your attack team take that much more damage. He is bad for the game because he is amazing on defense and even better on offense. He has no downside at all. . His Downside is that he takes 4thor's spot , he's going to be the King of Shield simulator and the PvP when he's featured. I've just played tons of matches against him, xforce and 4thor, never lost one, he might be good on offense but people are exaggerating his defensive skills - So you guys think people will drop 4thor and run xforce-IF in the next PvP? Id rather keep my xforce -4thor and feed tons of charged yellows to Cage. Yeah, he's not as good as XF / GT, but XF / GT are 4*s that we know to be at least 50% better than the best 3* characters in the game (since they're a ton better than any 249 featured 3*). If this is the case and we have people that are even CONSIDERING IF replacing GT, then what does that say about IF's power as a 3*? If we had a 2* that was just slightly weaker than LazyThor, poor reasoning would say that "who cares because LazyThor's still better, he doesn't break the meta". Characters should be judged against their peers, and IF basically has none in 3* land.
konannfriends wrote: NorthernPolarity wrote: Wonko33 wrote: Cryptobrancus wrote: And this is not his problem power. The purple is the OP one. So even if you can prevent his purple his black will always punish your team, making your attack team take that much more damage. He is bad for the game because he is amazing on defense and even better on offense. He has no downside at all. . His Downside is that he takes 4thor's spot , he's going to be the King of Shield simulator and the PvP when he's featured. I've just played tons of matches against him, xforce and 4thor, never lost one, he might be good on offense but people are exaggerating his defensive skills - So you guys think people will drop 4thor and run xforce-IF in the next PvP? Id rather keep my xforce -4thor and feed tons of charged yellows to Cage. Yeah, he's not as good as XF / GT, but XF / GT are 4*s that we know to be at least 50% better than the best 3* characters in the game (since they're a ton better than any 249 featured 3*). If this is the case and we have people that are even CONSIDERING IF replacing GT, then what does that say about IF's power as a 3*? If we had a 2* that was just slightly weaker than LazyThor, poor reasoning would say that "who cares because LazyThor's still better, he doesn't break the meta". Characters should be judged against their peers, and IF basically has none in 3* land. i totally agree with you. who cares if you didnt lose a match ( other guy), did you see that cascade photo proof. in my opinion that move should cost 7 ap and also end the turn.his passive needs a reality check. He needs the Sentry treatment
sms4002 wrote: Well they need to nerf him quick! 10 ap at least for purple. Do it now before too many people buy his covers. give refunds to the people that did and call it a day.
El Satanno wrote: sms4002 wrote: Well they need to nerf him quick! 10 ap at least for purple. Do it now before too many people buy his covers. give refunds to the people that did and call it a day. Don't count on that, in any of the cases you are looking for. There is no way they'll nerf him this soon after his release, if ever. It took them months to nerf Sentry and when they did, they offered the same meager refund they always do: double the usual sell price. Peanuts. No, we'll have to deal with Iron Fist the way he is for a goodly while. Buy your covers this month confidently knowing they will be a value proposition for the next 3-6.
Wonko33 wrote: His Downside is that he takes 4thor's spot , he's going to be the King of Shield simulator and the PvP when he's featured. I've just played tons of matches against him, xforce and 4thor, never lost one, he might be good on offense but people are exaggerating his defensive skills -
Grosnours wrote: Wonko33 wrote: His Downside is that he takes 4thor's spot , he's going to be the King of Shield simulator and the PvP when he's featured. I've just played tons of matches against him, xforce and 4thor, never lost one, he might be good on offense but people are exaggerating his defensive skills - I would say you were lucky. I routinely play against XForce/4Thor teams and I rarely lose save for a tough board or unlucky placement of charged tiles. The routine is pretty simple there: deny green and black and sometimes blue if needed, which charges your own Xforce attacks. If you buff with a +3 green/black it's all very doable. But if you add (or substitute to Goddess) IF to the equation, everything becomes a tad more difficult. You have to deny green, black and purple. Sure you could forget about black and focus on purple and green only, but denying a color the AI only needs 5 of is quite difficult most of the time. And if the black generator power starts, you're on your way to doom as (tinfoil hat on) by sheer coincidence it happens to trigger a truckload of cascades(tinfoil hat off). By the way, did you notice that power generating tiles in a random fashion are much much stronger in defense than the ones letting the player decide where to put the tiles? I mean, when was the last time you saw Magneto ** or GSBW generates blue/green and think "I'm doomed!" ? I would say never. On the other hand, seeing Cyclops generate red or Mystique do her blue trick can sometimes (often ?) lead to very very bad cascades. Ditto for IF. So let's propose a (very very stupid) way to solve the issue with IF : let's buff him ! Instead of having black generated at random, let's have the player decide where to place those tiles. Sure, it will make IF even stronger in offense that it is right now, but I believe that the amount of cascades in defense will drop quite a bit. Besides, given how much cost the others AP-placed-by-the-player generating ability, the 5AP cost could even get normalized.
NorthernPolarity wrote: An easy example is the 4* metagame. Suppose the featured character is LazyCap. If the 4* characters were balanced enough, Cap being mainly red and blue would sway you to not use 4or, since, well, the two conflict directly in terms of color and everything. You could do something like run Starlord instead because his main color is purple and conflicts much less with LCap. This was a very real possibility in the 3* meta: we were getting to a point with Doom / Cage / etc that if the main character was mainly yellow green such as Sentry, then it could have been optimal to run characters like Doom over LazyThor because of color conflicts. But when a couple of characters are so above the curve that there is no balance, the featured will always be completely useless, and BP / IF will always be strictly better than any team that tries to synergize with the featured hero or at least not completely conflict. That is my grand vision of a balanced metagame and the benefits that it could have, but you know, say the word nerf and people lose their tinykitty so it's probably not happening.
Rio_D wrote: How about we just have an awesome 3* and leave him alone? I don't have him all covered, and by the time I do he will most likely be nerfed. Just leave him be.
onimus wrote: And IF will, undoubtedly, become oppressive unless he is nerfed. There's really no way to debate that.
Polares wrote: Right now, what I want is the devs acknowledging this debate, and I want them to tell us if IF is going to be nerfed or not. TELL US NOW. I don't want to spend iso or even HP into him, and then devs nerfing him into oblivion in less than a month.