Jubilee (Phoenix Force) 5*

Codex

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
This is the only thread on the topic I have been able to find from back in Feb. It does not outline this solution. https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/89850/ascended-retro-rewards-policy/p2

Yes that was the one. I agree the message could be clearer but in my situation I recieved the rewards correctly so I did not have an issue.

For my 475 jubilee, I got 2 covers and 5000 shards, which was correct. I did not check the level breakdown of when covers and shards were awarded. I was aware that was an issue.

bluewolf

They’re teaching us not to ascend anyone who isn’t max-max with this reward table.

ThaRoadWarrior

@bluewolf said:
They’re teaching us not to ascend anyone who isn’t max-max with this reward table.

and not to do it until the new character goes live at that. But here Jubilee was already a feeder, so it would have seemed safe anyway.

St_Bernadus

The announcement was that retro rewards would be worked out to be automatic for those that Ascended. Strangely we thought that meant we would get what came to the unascended max 4 star Jubilee and whatever was due from extra levels on a dupe.

That is not the current situation.

Daredevil217

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
the ascended retro rewards are just the 5* version's champ rewards. So if you were to wait and ascend right now, you'd have gotten whatever pre-ascension 4* retro rewards you would have earned and then you'd get these champ rewards. So had I ascended to 450 rather than 452, I would presumably have gotten 0 retro covers here. I'm not like pitchforks and torches mad, demanding a rollback or whatever, I would just prefer we not do it this way going forward.

So is it worth it to ascend and double dip or no because I’d miss out on the rest of the 4* reward tree. My dupe is only 294 for reference.

Scofie

@St_Bernadus said:
The announcement was that retro rewards would be worked out to be automatic for those that Ascended. Strangely we thought that meant we would get what came to the unascended max 4 star Jubilee and whatever was due from extra levels on a dupe.

That is not the current situation.

That's correct and I thought the same thing originally.

There are 2 points here:
1) Retro rewards are awarded within 7 days.
2) The allocation of covers in the retro rewards and the configuration of those.

The first was announced. The second wasn't.

The original policy was not to award them at all, so technically everything is a bonus... 😈

However, the intent of the policy was not to disadvantage those who Ascended, which I think they have for min-maxers.

rainkingucd

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
This is the only thread on the topic I have been able to find from back in Feb. It does not outline this solution. https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/89850/ascended-retro-rewards-policy/p2

That was the issue. They announced "log in within 7 days to get your retro rewards for ascended characters", but there was no detail on how that was going to happen (as @Scofie outlined above). Those with ascended characters started to notice that the champ rewards had changed for their characters (there's a screenshot of Moondragon flying around).

Instead of everyone having to go to CS, this was the "this will work" solution, and why they have the 7 day limit: log in, get retro, then we revert to "normal" so no double dipping.

The problem of course is that the user base figured this out, and anyone that didn't ascend can double dip. If you have 2x 370 Jubilee, you got all 12 retros. Then you ascend within the first 7 days, and you get 12 more.

entrailbucket

@UnityGamer said:

@entrailbucket said:
Multiple Man

I remember now! What was his auto win condition?

If there are ever 48 Dupe tiles on the board, you win. It's not super easy to get there, but it's not impossible, given certain team comps. (I like Coulson for this!)

fight4thedream

For those interested in how her revive works:

She revives after one unlocked repeater reaches 0. If there is more than one unlocked repeater on the board, the first one to reach 0 triggers. The second will remain on the board.

I often found I had to wait about 2 turns for her to revive. Which means the enemy team can potentially block her from reviving by matching away the unlocked repeater tiles.

She is a very puzzely-type character. It's pretty clear the dev team have baked in a few outs to prevent her from being too OP but her tool kit coalesces pretty well so players who enjoy high risk, high reward type play will have fun using her.

I appreciate the overall thought put into her design. She gets more powerful as the fight progresses. My only concern is that she may be a tad bit too slow for my personal tastes. But I think she is a welcome addition to the game.

WhiteBomber

@fight4thedream said:
For those interested in how her revive works:

She revives after one repeater reaches 0.

I often found I had to wait about 2 turns for her to revive. Which means the enemy team can potentially block her from reviving by matching away the unlocked repeater tiles.

She is a very puzzely-type character. It's pretty clear the dev team have baked in a few outs to prevent her from being to OP but her tool kit coalesces pretty well so players who enjoy high risk, high reward type play will definitely have fun using her.

Thanks for the info, I was wondering why they were repeaters rather than a trap. 3 turns is a death sentence. I don't have her usable yet, but that sounds significantly less good.

entrailbucket

Yes, I think they're (finally?) starting to figure out revive.

Other revives are overcosted (infinity war cap -- you forgot this one existed), overpowered (Chasm), or plain obnoxious (also Chasm, Hulk).

sinnerjfl

I am really not a fan of how they're handling the retro feeder rewards... my ascended Jubilee is at 451, I'll be lucky to even get to 452 in a whole week...

That is some backwards way of implementing something.

KGB

@WhiteBomber said:

@fight4thedream said:
For those interested in how her revive works:

She revives after one repeater reaches 0.

I often found I had to wait about 2 turns for her to revive. Which means the enemy team can potentially block her from reviving by matching away the unlocked repeater tiles.

She is a very puzzely-type character. It's pretty clear the dev team have baked in a few outs to prevent her from being to OP but her tool kit coalesces pretty well so players who enjoy high risk, high reward type play will definitely have fun using her.

Thanks for the info, I was wondering why they were repeaters rather than a trap. 3 turns is a death sentence. I don't have her usable yet, but that sounds significantly less good.

Yeah this is on par with 5* Phoenix who puts out a CD tile for her revive to work. A lot of times even at 1 turn it gets matched away / destroyed. At least with 8 of them on the board there is a reasonable chance one of them eventually goes off trigging the revive but you might be waiting a while which means it's impossible to use as a mechanic to build around. As I mentioned back in an earlier post, it seems meant more for AI teams to steal a win from players who aren't paying attention.

KGB

Kwahder

@sinnerjfl said:
I am really not a fan of how they're handling the retro feeder rewards... my ascended Jubilee is at 451, I'll be lucky to even get to 452 in a whole week...

That is some backwards way of implementing something.

I would put in a request to support, in your case. You’re clearly owed 6 covers.

Jinx

Who would you team her with. I like my current MThor team, so hoping not to break that up. Trying to think of other ideas.

KGB

@St_Bernadus said:

@rainkingucd said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
Oh wow, Ascended jubilee rewards were changed!

This is how they are processing the "retro ascended" rewards. I think it will be like this for a week, then after a week's time the champ rewards for Ascended Jubilee will revert to what it was before

Is this right? My Jubilee is 452 and I got the same as TRW. So in order for me to get what I would have gotten for a max plus 280 dupe, I have to get to 460 (about 30 odd covers) IN 1 WEEK?!

That is some deadline.

You are saying your 452 is from a 370 Jubilee + a 280.

Don't you just need to get to 455? At that point you'll have 2 cover and 2500 shards which is what a L370 Jubilee + 280 nets you in retro rewards for someone who hasn't ascended?

You already got all 6 Phoenix covers from the original 370 before ascending (those aren't new retro rewards). It's nice to double dip but you aren't owed double dipping.

So you just need however many covers you need to get from 452 to 455 (at most 12 but potentially no more than 9). Hopefully you have some CP/LTs you can open (and need to open) now that a new 5 just rotated into latest.

KGB

Tiger_Wong

@Jinx said:
Who would you team her with. I like my current MThor team, so hoping not to break that up. Trying to think of other ideas.

Ascended Ghost+deathlock.

Ghost deals great match damage and when she turns invisible, Jubilee will tank and revive. Meanwhile, Deathlock is giving +2 purple/+2 red every turn for jubilee to fire her cheap powers.

sinnerjfl

@KGB said:

@St_Bernadus said:

@rainkingucd said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
Oh wow, Ascended jubilee rewards were changed!

This is how they are processing the "retro ascended" rewards. I think it will be like this for a week, then after a week's time the champ rewards for Ascended Jubilee will revert to what it was before

Is this right? My Jubilee is 452 and I got the same as TRW. So in order for me to get what I would have gotten for a max plus 280 dupe, I have to get to 460 (about 30 odd covers) IN 1 WEEK?!

That is some deadline.

You are saying your 452 is from a 370 Jubilee + a 280.

Don't you just need to get to 455? At that point you'll have 2 cover and 2500 shards which is what a L370 Jubilee + 280 nets you in retro rewards for someone who hasn't ascended?

You already got all 6 Phoenix covers from the original 370 before ascending (those aren't new retro rewards). It's nice to double dip but you aren't owed double dipping.

So you just need however many covers you need to get from 452 to 455 (at most 12 but potentially no more than 9). Hopefully you have some CP/LTs you can open (and need to open) now that a new 5 just rotated into latest.

KGB

The thing is, we're getting punished for daring to use ascension which is absolutely moronic.
If you got Jubilee to 370, you double dipped.
If you ascended, eff you just earn 12 covers in 1 week... that's a ridiculous system.

Jinx

Nice. I’m always looking for new combos.

BriMan2222

Just noticed she has an X-Men 97 costume