Jubilee (Phoenix Force) 5*

Borstock

I'd like to go on record as saying that PvP was not fun. Between all the locked tiles and Wong/Polaris nonsense, I did not enjoy it.

BriMan2222

So far I'm 29-1 in her pvp and my one loss was due to an epic shang chi cascade. Despite many in my mmr already having her champed or close to it, she's been a total non factor in all my matches.

St_Bernadus

I was also 29-1, with 1 loss to the Jubilee auto win. And then I paid more attention to opponent repeaters. For a while I did not know what the fuss was about as Wong/Pol can end games quickly.

Borstock

I lost a bunch of times, but I'm also the kind of person who isn't afraid to attack up. My 590/590 duos got destroyed pretty quickly against the 672 teams when the strike tiles spawned. I even saw FOUR max champed Jubilees. Only lost once to the auto-win.

WhiteBomber

I am almost to my 25 wins and haven't seen her black fired yet. I mix and match between Boosted Otole with Chasm or Omega. In my MMR they tend to not have Jubes championed yet though.

Borstock

Found two more Max champed Jubilees. Man, some people have ridiculous amounts of HP.

entrailbucket

@Borstock said:
Found two more Max champed Jubilees. Man, some people have ridiculous amounts of HP.

They're using customer service to swap covers.

If you have all 3 Latest at 550, customer service will swap any of them for any other character, including characters that aren't in Latest yet.

Borstock

@entrailbucket said:

@Borstock said:
Found two more Max champed Jubilees. Man, some people have ridiculous amounts of HP.

They're using customer service to swap covers.

If you have all 3 Latest at 550, customer service will swap any of them for any other character, including characters that aren't in Latest yet.

Ah. I knew about the swaps, but I didn't know you could swap for one that had never been in latests.

Also, found a seventh.

entrailbucket

@Borstock said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Borstock said:
Found two more Max champed Jubilees. Man, some people have ridiculous amounts of HP.

They're using customer service to swap covers.

If you have all 3 Latest at 550, customer service will swap any of them for any other character, including characters that aren't in Latest yet.

Ah. I knew about the swaps, but I didn't know you could swap for one that had never been in latests.

Also, found a seventh.

Yeah, there's a bunch of them, and they're growing. And now that they've got Jubilee maxed out, they'll have all 3 Latest maxed when she goes into Latest, and so on and so on...

I don't think the intent of that policy is to allow hoarders to instantly max every new 5* onto infinity, but that's where we're at now.

tylenol4

I don't think they'll be able to keep it up forever, or at least not most. Some of the long-time players got huge windfalls of resources with ascension so they can keep it up for awhile. Most won't be able to generate 1800 pulls every 3 months without some spending.

KGB

@tylenol4 said:
I don't think they'll be able to keep it up forever, or at least not most. Some of the long-time players got huge windfalls of resources with ascension so they can keep it up for awhile. Most won't be able to generate 1800 pulls every 3 months without some spending.

You don't need 1800 pulls. Remember EVERY 5 at this point is a duplicate that you can exchange. So to max a new character you need at most 113 covers (less because of Retro rewards so lets say on average 100). To get 100 5 stars at 15% draw rate = 666 pulls (666*.15=100). That doesn't factor in shards + bonus shards either which if you get to the latest 3 will give you more extra covers worth so I suspect it's probably closer to 640-650 draws needed.

KGB

bluewolf

Yeah, at some point they'll run out of gas.

On the other hand, since the devs have stated they have no interest in displacing the meta/speed teams, might as well use what you have when you decide the character is interesting.

entrailbucket

@KGB said:

@tylenol4 said:
I don't think they'll be able to keep it up forever, or at least not most. Some of the long-time players got huge windfalls of resources with ascension so they can keep it up for awhile. Most won't be able to generate 1800 pulls every 3 months without some spending.

You don't need 1800 pulls. Remember EVERY 5 at this point is a duplicate that you can exchange. So to max a new character you need at most 113 covers (less because of Retro rewards so lets say on average 100). To get 100 5 stars at 15% draw rate = 666 pulls (666*.15=100). That doesn't factor in shards + bonus shards either which if you get to the latest 3 will give you more extra covers worth so I suspect it's probably closer to 640-650 draws needed.

KGB

Plus you get all the champ rewards from the gifted covers, and any rewards from applying all the 4* you pull. It's really not that difficult to keep this going forever.

trenchdigger

Wow, even after all these years I'm still learning new things about this game. I never realised it was possible to get the unreleased 5 from cover swaps - I had assumed people were spending crazy amounts on gold.

So how do cover swaps work? If you have the 3 latest at say 548, 548 and 550 with 10 extra covers. Do you have to swap the first 4 extra covers to get the other 2 up to 550, and then can choose any 5 for the remaining 6 extra covers?

Also, what about spare shards? Can you swap those as well?

jp1

@KGB said:

@tylenol4 said:
I don't think they'll be able to keep it up forever, or at least not most. Some of the long-time players got huge windfalls of resources with ascension so they can keep it up for awhile. Most won't be able to generate 1800 pulls every 3 months without some spending.

You don't need 1800 pulls. Remember EVERY 5 at this point is a duplicate that you can exchange. So to max a new character you need at most 113 covers (less because of Retro rewards so lets say on average 100). To get 100 5 stars at 15% draw rate = 666 pulls (666*.15=100). That doesn't factor in shards + bonus shards either which if you get to the latest 3 will give you more extra covers worth so I suspect it's probably closer to 640-650 draws needed.

KGB

What do you mean by EVERY 5? Do they not need to be in LL for swaps? I have a dupe Omega Red, would he have counted even if he was out of LL by the time I got my dupe champed?

tylenol4

@KGB said:

@tylenol4 said:
I don't think they'll be able to keep it up forever, or at least not most. Some of the long-time players got huge windfalls of resources with ascension so they can keep it up for awhile. Most won't be able to generate 1800 pulls every 3 months without some spending.

You don't need 1800 pulls. Remember EVERY 5 at this point is a duplicate that you can exchange. So to max a new character you need at most 113 covers (less because of Retro rewards so lets say on average 100). To get 100 5 stars at 15% draw rate = 666 pulls (666*.15=100). That doesn't factor in shards + bonus shards either which if you get to the latest 3 will give you more extra covers worth so I suspect it's probably closer to 640-650 draws needed.

KGB

....right. You just calculated the number of draws you would need per month. I said 1800 every 3 months, so we're pretty much on the same page.

Anyways, I'm not saying it's not possible, I get that when you're pulling that much every month the cascading rewards help feed the machine... I'm just saying that to keep that up forever you'd need some really strong resource income that not everyone can pull off.

KGB

@jp1 said:

@KGB said:

@tylenol4 said:
I don't think they'll be able to keep it up forever, or at least not most. Some of the long-time players got huge windfalls of resources with ascension so they can keep it up for awhile. Most won't be able to generate 1800 pulls every 3 months without some spending.

You don't need 1800 pulls. Remember EVERY 5 at this point is a duplicate that you can exchange. So to max a new character you need at most 113 covers (less because of Retro rewards so lets say on average 100). To get 100 5 stars at 15% draw rate = 666 pulls (666*.15=100). That doesn't factor in shards + bonus shards either which if you get to the latest 3 will give you more extra covers worth so I suspect it's probably closer to 640-650 draws needed.

KGB

What do you mean by EVERY 5? Do they not need to be in LL for swaps? I have a dupe Omega Red, would he have counted even if he was out of LL by the time I got my dupe champed?

Yes, they have to be draws in latest legends, not classic legends. I thought that was understood so I just said every 5 meaning all 3 5s in latest (15% rate).

KGB

Jinx

I’m sure that the fact that everyone is boosted right now helps a lot, but Wong, Kamala, and Jubilee is just crazy. Jubilee and Wong flood the board with fodder for KK’s passive damage and she pumps AP. Crazy damage.

jp1

@KGB said:

@jp1 said:

@KGB said:

@tylenol4 said:
I don't think they'll be able to keep it up forever, or at least not most. Some of the long-time players got huge windfalls of resources with ascension so they can keep it up for awhile. Most won't be able to generate 1800 pulls every 3 months without some spending.

You don't need 1800 pulls. Remember EVERY 5 at this point is a duplicate that you can exchange. So to max a new character you need at most 113 covers (less because of Retro rewards so lets say on average 100). To get 100 5 stars at 15% draw rate = 666 pulls (666*.15=100). That doesn't factor in shards + bonus shards either which if you get to the latest 3 will give you more extra covers worth so I suspect it's probably closer to 640-650 draws needed.

KGB

What do you mean by EVERY 5? Do they not need to be in LL for swaps? I have a dupe Omega Red, would he have counted even if he was out of LL by the time I got my dupe champed?

Yes, they have to be draws in latest legends, not classic legends. ** I thought that was understood** so I just said every 5 meaning all 3 5s in latest (15% rate).

KGB

Nope, at least not by me, it was a genuine question since I have never practiced any cover swaps because I don’t hoard. Appreciate the follow up clarification, I was excited for a moment about my 5* dupes.

entrailbucket

@jp1 said:

@KGB said:

@jp1 said:

@KGB said:

@tylenol4 said:
I don't think they'll be able to keep it up forever, or at least not most. Some of the long-time players got huge windfalls of resources with ascension so they can keep it up for awhile. Most won't be able to generate 1800 pulls every 3 months without some spending.

You don't need 1800 pulls. Remember EVERY 5 at this point is a duplicate that you can exchange. So to max a new character you need at most 113 covers (less because of Retro rewards so lets say on average 100). To get 100 5 stars at 15% draw rate = 666 pulls (666*.15=100). That doesn't factor in shards + bonus shards either which if you get to the latest 3 will give you more extra covers worth so I suspect it's probably closer to 640-650 draws needed.

KGB

What do you mean by EVERY 5? Do they not need to be in LL for swaps? I have a dupe Omega Red, would he have counted even if he was out of LL by the time I got my dupe champed?

Yes, they have to be draws in latest legends, not classic legends. ** I thought that was understood** so I just said every 5 meaning all 3 5s in latest (15% rate).

KGB

Nope, at least not by me, it was a genuine question since I have never practiced any cover swaps because I don’t hoard. Appreciate the follow up clarification, I was excited for a moment about my 5* dupes.

They're extremely weird about this policy. It's still not posted anywhere publicly, and it seems to change randomly without any notice (sometimes it applies to legendary packs besides Latest, for example, but they don't make that information public anywhere).

When I put in a ticket asking for cover swaps on older 5*, I got a very odd response back -- they didn't seem to know what to say.