Jubilee (Phoenix Force) 5*

KGB

@entrailbucket said:
A 4 turn stun for 6 (that's not on blue!) is crazy. She'll play just because of that.

Red is a big single target hit (that scales!) for relatively cheap.

The "win the game" abilities are almost always either overcosted or overcomplicated, or both, so I don't have high hopes for this one.

I also don't much care, as red and purple are sufficient to make her playable generally.

Problem with the Black is it costs you a health pack since it instantly downs her on the Auto win.

Also she has REALLY low health (49k) for a 5. So she will be easily downed with a few match 3s even when she is boosted. I know she gets 1 revive but even that isn't at much health (40% at L3 so revived at 15K meaning she has only 65K health) so you won't be firing that Purple much at all.

She would have been awesome vs pre-Nerf Chasm/iHulk with that Black. His 1st turn stun would have sent her instantly into the alternate Black insta-win condition.

KGB

P.S. Just realized her Black auto-win is for the AI. You'll have to be extra careful watching Black. Troll teams will now use her as the only Black outlet (esp with Domino/Cloak&Dagger) hoping the AI gathers 8 Black for the insta-win. Expect to see lots of bad beats posted about this since it's going to cost 3 health packs.

entrailbucket

@bluewolf said:
So. See Thor team.

Get Jube to tank. Chase black. Let Thor destroy the repeater tiles. Use black. Win.

Pick a team that doesn't have any black outlet to support her. Not sure who that is yet.

Also, I assume 4Jubilee will just feed the 5 and stop feeding Jean Phoenix?

If this is actually meant to be a viable m'Thor counter, they've got no idea what they're doing.

There's seriously like 100 other ways I'd attack her over "wait till m'Thor double-blows-up 8 locked tiles, while saving up 8 black AP, then cast an active ability."

It's much more likely that the "win the game" thing is just a neat bonus tacked onto a generally decent 5*.

killahKlown

@bluewolf said:
Also, I assume 4Jubilee will just feed the 5 and stop feeding Jean Phoenix?

See feeder chart above

bluewolf

@entrailbucket said:

@bluewolf said:
So. See Thor team.

Get Jube to tank. Chase black. Let Thor destroy the repeater tiles. Use black. Win.

Pick a team that doesn't have any black outlet to support her. Not sure who that is yet.

Also, I assume 4Jubilee will just feed the 5 and stop feeding Jean Phoenix?

If this is actually meant to be a viable m'Thor counter, they've got no idea what they're doing.

There's seriously like 100 other ways I'd attack her over "wait till m'Thor double-blows-up 8 locked tiles, while saving up 8 black AP, then cast an active ability."

It's much more likely that the "win the game" thing is just a neat bonus tacked onto a generally decent 5*.

I guess the question is whether people will want to take Thor against Jubilee teams, and hence it might reduce the prevalence in Simulator. Whether defensively it made sense.

OK, probably not. Maybe if the black was really cheap, like 6 AP, and her second power so she chased it more.

entrailbucket

@bluewolf said:

@entrailbucket said:

@bluewolf said:
So. See Thor team.

Get Jube to tank. Chase black. Let Thor destroy the repeater tiles. Use black. Win.

Pick a team that doesn't have any black outlet to support her. Not sure who that is yet.

Also, I assume 4Jubilee will just feed the 5 and stop feeding Jean Phoenix?

If this is actually meant to be a viable m'Thor counter, they've got no idea what they're doing.

There's seriously like 100 other ways I'd attack her over "wait till m'Thor double-blows-up 8 locked tiles, while saving up 8 black AP, then cast an active ability."

It's much more likely that the "win the game" thing is just a neat bonus tacked onto a generally decent 5*.

I guess the question is whether people will want to take Thor against Jubilee teams, and hence it might reduce the prevalence in Simulator. Whether defensively it made sense.

OK, probably not. Maybe if the black was really cheap, like 6 AP, and her second power so she chased it more.

I think it's just a bit too difficult/complicated for the AI to pull off.

But! I don't think she's really designed to do that, and I don't hold it against her. I think she's just fine.

dianetics

I don't think she is an intended counter to SheThor.
She looks like an answer to board manipulation characters...something nobody asked for.
A good portion of the board is locked so it really affects how you play the board. SheThor will blow that advantage after a turn or 2.

I hope I am wrong, but I see no reason to use this character, and no reason for her to exist.

entrailbucket

@dianetics said:
I don't think she is an intended counter to SheThor.
She looks like an answer to board manipulation characters...something nobody asked for.
A good portion of the board is locked so it really affects how you play the board. SheThor will blow that advantage after a turn or 2.

I hope I am wrong, but I see no reason to use this character, and no reason for her to exist.

That one's easy. New characters exist because that's how they make money (through cash sales, roster slots, and token dilution). We're getting a new character every 2 weeks or whatever until the game closes down.

dianetics

@entrailbucket said:
That one's easy. New characters exist because that's how they make money (through cash sales, roster slots, and token dilution). We're getting a new character every 2 weeks or whatever until the game closes down.

Yeah, 100% you are correct.

But, she is so...umm unconventenial and outside of the current meta game.
I look at the 3* and think...wow thats cool and interesting.

Now I look at the 5 and I have resurgent pain syndrome. It reminds me of when Be4st and Polaris came out. When the 4s were the best releases, but now its the 3s.

Let us not assume the devs are stupid. We know they know how to make good high level characters. We also know that people are complaining about a certain character and we know they know how to address it.
Seeing this kit now is just a bit of comedy.

PS I am going to ascending Shaw next week.

WhiteBomber

Seems interesting and not nearly as bad as most of the other recent characters. Is she not Riri MThors new best partner? The thing I didn't like about RiThor was how long it took MThor to kill in comparison to Shang (who is broken), with 3 red the party begins and her having pink and black are opposite those 2. Plus the pink is another stun? and the black ends the match.

Might not necessarily see a lot of play, but for 1 health pack it could be worth it (to me). I like what I'm seeing so far at least. I still get annoyed every time I scroll by OldLadyThor, Carmiles etc. etc.

Her biggest downside to me is she runs red and pink and every character that arrives with red and pink is only ever going to see play if they are fun or defensively annoying, because they will never be better than Shang.

entrailbucket

@dianetics said:

@entrailbucket said:
That one's easy. New characters exist because that's how they make money (through cash sales, roster slots, and token dilution). We're getting a new character every 2 weeks or whatever until the game closes down.

Yeah, 100% you are correct.

But, she is so...umm unconventenial and outside of the current meta game.
I look at the 3* and think...wow thats cool and interesting.

Now I look at the 5 and I have resurgent pain syndrome. It reminds me of when Be4st and Polaris came out. When the 4s were the best releases, but now its the 3s.

Let us not assume the devs are stupid. We know they know how to make good high level characters. We also know that people are complaining about a certain character and we know they know how to address it.
Seeing this kit now is just a bit of comedy.

PS I am going to ascending Shaw next week.

I don't think they're stupid. There's a million conspiracy theories about why they release certain characters when they do, and why some characters are way better than others.

I think they aim for "mediocre" on every new character, and 95% of the time they hit that target. Sometimes they screw up and overshoot or undershoot that target, and sometimes it's by a lot. I don't think they intend to do that, because I don't see any particular incentive for them to do that.

Seph1roth5

I like this new jubilee. Though I agree w/ my friend that starting the battle with a bunch of locked tiles might be annoying. But mthor messes up plans too so it's not too bad.

The question is, do locked tiles count as normal, special, owned special? What does mthor think?

I still think the 3's power kit is a bit more interesting, and would've liked that on a 5, but definitely can see some fun with phoenix jubilee. Great job devs.

Daredevil217

I really like this character… I think. If I’m reading right, if you can’t remove her tiles, she can revive up to 8 times (hence the low health). If you can remove all her tiles (modern Thor) then you risk an 8 AP insta down of your whole team.

Her red does great damage for 6 AP and her purple has a great stun for 6 AP. Each cast makes the red stronger but brings jubilee closer to either permadeath or her insta ko. She seems well balanced.

Also am I wrong that if Thor wipes the board of the tiles then she risks her team dying to her AP black?

WhiteBomber

@Daredevil217 said:
I really like this character… I think. If I’m reading right, if you can’t remove her tiles, she can revive up to 8 times (hence the low health). If you can remove all her tiles (modern Thor) then you risk an 8 AP insta down of your whole team.

Her red does great damage for 6 AP and her purple has a great stun for 6 AP. Each cast makes the red stronger but brings jubilee closer to either permadeath or her insta ko. She seems well balanced.

Also am I wrong that if Thor wipes the board of the tiles then she risks her team dying to her AP black?

No way of knowing if she can revive more than once, it doesn't say "all tiles" but it does have an "s" implying plural which could mean all, or just one, or some! What is happening!?

"If Downed, Extra Life tiles will self-destruct to revive her with 33% health on trigger."

If I had to guess, it would be 1 tile, and the "s" is because there could be multiple on the board at the time, but you never really can tell with these descriptions. I think it is however safe to say that, yes, MThor might have to pay the troll toll if she removes them all, which is nice. Nerf Shang.

bluewolf

@Daredevil217 said:
I really like this character… I think. If I’m reading right, if you can’t remove her tiles, she can revive up to 8 times (hence the low health). If you can remove all her tiles (modern Thor) then you risk an 8 AP insta down of your whole team.

Her red does great damage for 6 AP and her purple has a great stun for 6 AP. Each cast makes the red stronger but brings jubilee closer to either permadeath or her insta ko. She seems well balanced.

Also am I wrong that if Thor wipes the board of the tiles then she risks her team dying to her AP black?

As pointed out, it should work but you’d need a solid team that only had her black active and it’s a bit questionable how well it’d work.

I wonder what happens if you stun her and down her.

UnityGamer

This 5-star Jubilee joins 3-star Deadpool as characters with abilities that can trigger automatic wins. Deadpool's WHALES! WHALES! WHALES! requires the player to have 28,000 Deadpool points on top of 14 Purple AP to use. Those points are earned by bringing him to battle once per day. (Clarification question: must it be only 3-star Deadpool, or can it be from his other variants to gain those points?)

On the other hand, 5-star Jubilee requires all Extra Life tiles to be removed from play, have enough Black AP, and commit to downing her. Stocking up on Health Packs is highly recommended.

Are there other heroes with automatic win conditions? I remember 5-star Doctor Octopus had this before it was removed. I technically can't put Kang The Conqueror as auto win because of the requirement of at least one character being sent Away with their health intact, whereas both 3-star Deadpool and 5-star Jubilee involve direct downing to the whole team.

BlackBoltRocks

“When killed, she would come back from birth with all the memories of her past lives.”

Isnt this Moira Mactaggert’s schtick in House of X/Powers of X? Would have been nice to get a 5* Moira. Nevertheless, 5* Jubilation looks fun. Does she have the lowest health of all 5s? Or is that still OML?

Painmonger

@UnityGamer said:
This 5-star Jubilee joins 3-star Deadpool as characters with abilities that can trigger automatic wins. Deadpool's WHALES! WHALES! WHALES! requires the player to have 28,000 Deadpool points on top of 14 Purple AP to use. Those points are earned by bringing him to battle once per day. (Clarification question: must it be only 3-star Deadpool, or can it be from his other variants to gain those points?)

On the other hand, 5-star Jubilee requires all Extra Life tiles to be removed from play, have enough Black AP, and commit to downing her. Stocking up on Health Packs is highly recommended.

Are there other heroes with automatic win conditions? I remember 5-star Doctor Octopus had this before it was removed. I technically can't put Kang The Conqueror as auto win because of the requirement of at least one character being sent Away with their health intact, whereas both 3-star Deadpool and 5-star Jubilee involve direct downing to the whole team.

It's definitely just the 3* Deadpool to win those points, nothing comes from the 4* version & 5* Ghostpool gives spicy taco tokens.

As for the auto-win characters, I believe those two are the only ones. I agree about Kang but for a different reason. Deadpool & (assuming) Jub will work any time, but Kang requires you to target someone so airborne & invisible characters break his gimmick.

The way I'm interpreting the black power is that locked tiles wouldn't be destroyed with her revive, but thinking any unlocked repeaters will go away. Could be 8, could be 1! It'll be fun to pull off just to say you did, and maybe with I & She Hulks if there is a particularly difficult node.

ProfShoehorn

Doop has a copy of “Whales, Whales, Whales” in his power set. He doesn’t earn the Deadpool points and pulls from your DP stash like 3-star Deadpool. So, he is a third(?) insta-win character…

entrailbucket

@UnityGamer said:
This 5-star Jubilee joins 3-star Deadpool as characters with abilities that can trigger automatic wins. Deadpool's WHALES! WHALES! WHALES! requires the player to have 28,000 Deadpool points on top of 14 Purple AP to use. Those points are earned by bringing him to battle once per day. (Clarification question: must it be only 3-star Deadpool, or can it be from his other variants to gain those points?)

On the other hand, 5-star Jubilee requires all Extra Life tiles to be removed from play, have enough Black AP, and commit to downing her. Stocking up on Health Packs is highly recommended.

Are there other heroes with automatic win conditions? I remember 5-star Doctor Octopus had this before it was removed. I technically can't put Kang The Conqueror as auto win because of the requirement of at least one character being sent Away with their health intact, whereas both 3-star Deadpool and 5-star Jubilee involve direct downing to the whole team.

Multiple Man

Jinx

Yet another character that overlaps on the active colors with those she should be paired with thematically. Would be nice to have Emma boosting her damage, but they have the same best actives. This game is getting frustrating.