Ascended Winners and Losers

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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,886 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Yeah I always post them with the dump stat set to 5. I also did punisher Max across the anniversary, I feel like we’ve seen him already though. Main Event as well.

    I've got... everybody (currently all 4->5s except Annihilus (should be next week), Purple Man, and Ghost Rider 2099).

    I haven't posted most of them because I don't want to junk up the thread with a billion screenshots! I've just been posting the ones I find interesting, or cases where the numbers go insane.

    If anybody is interested in someone in particular, though, just ask. I'm starting to get quite a few 3->5s as well.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,466 Chairperson of the Boards

    I figured you probably had most of them. I’m still working on my first 370 3* but it’s getting close at 361 2/3. I have a decent amount of 4* pairs, but it is going to take less time to max-min a dupe for scarlet witch and finish her than to grind 300 covers for one of the others. I’m at 62 ascended 4-5s, with I guess 92 left to go?

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,430 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I figured you probably had most of them. I’m still working on my first 370 3* but it’s getting close at 361 2/3. I have a decent amount of 4* pairs, but it is going to take less time to max-min a dupe for scarlet witch and finish her than to grind 300 covers for one of the others. I’m at 62 ascended 4-5s, with I guess 92 left to go?

    I'm on track for my first "natural" 3a5 ascension (i.e. no 3a4 ascended from vaults or anything, no purchases). I might be the only one posting Goose screenshots :)

    She came out last November, and has been my favourite target ever since. I have one copy at 370, her dupe is at 247. By end of November, I should have a 3a5 Goose

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,833 Chairperson of the Boards

    @rainkingucd said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I figured you probably had most of them. I’m still working on my first 370 3* but it’s getting close at 361 2/3. I have a decent amount of 4* pairs, but it is going to take less time to max-min a dupe for scarlet witch and finish her than to grind 300 covers for one of the others. I’m at 62 ascended 4-5s, with I guess 92 left to go?

    I'm on track for my first "natural" 3a5 ascension (i.e. no 3a4 ascended from vaults or anything, no purchases). I might be the only one posting Goose screenshots :)

    She came out last November, and has been my favourite target ever since. I have one copy at 370, her dupe is at 247. By end of November, I should have a 3a5 Goose

    So, basically a year without a boost from pulling a 3-4 from a vault or something.

    I’m not saying stop but man, I hope they don’t toss Goose in a season vault just as you’re finishing the lower one because that would be super annoying.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,466 Chairperson of the Boards

    I'm not max-maxing those, just freeing up roster slots as soon as possible.

    @entrailbucket what does Worthy Cap look like at 5* ?

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,430 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:

    @rainkingucd said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I figured you probably had most of them. I’m still working on my first 370 3* but it’s getting close at 361 2/3. I have a decent amount of 4* pairs, but it is going to take less time to max-min a dupe for scarlet witch and finish her than to grind 300 covers for one of the others. I’m at 62 ascended 4-5s, with I guess 92 left to go?

    I'm on track for my first "natural" 3a5 ascension (i.e. no 3a4 ascended from vaults or anything, no purchases). I might be the only one posting Goose screenshots :)

    She came out last November, and has been my favourite target ever since. I have one copy at 370, her dupe is at 247. By end of November, I should have a 3a5 Goose

    So, basically a year without a boost from pulling a 3-4 from a vault or something.

    I’m not saying stop but man, I hope they don’t toss Goose in a season vault just as you’re finishing the lower one because that would be super annoying.

    Ascended Goose was in the That's a Steel vault but sadly I didn't pull her.

    But yeah, a year. I tracked it in the first 8 weeks and calculated around 15 covers a week on average excluding the boosted odds for the character launch. I wrote in ThaRoadWarrior's experiment 2 thread I was anticipating 1 year at that rate and I'm on track.

    I went with max max the first go around. But will do max-min+1 for the rest because I want the 5* and don't have patience to max another 3* nor another 3a4

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 386 Mover and Shaker

    @bluewolf said:

    @rainkingucd said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I figured you probably had most of them. I’m still working on my first 370 3* but it’s getting close at 361 2/3. I have a decent amount of 4* pairs, but it is going to take less time to max-min a dupe for scarlet witch and finish her than to grind 300 covers for one of the others. I’m at 62 ascended 4-5s, with I guess 92 left to go?

    I'm on track for my first "natural" 3a5 ascension (i.e. no 3a4 ascended from vaults or anything, no purchases). I might be the only one posting Goose screenshots :)

    She came out last November, and has been my favourite target ever since. I have one copy at 370, her dupe is at 247. By end of November, I should have a 3a5 Goose

    So, basically a year without a boost from pulling a 3-4 from a vault or something.

    I’m not saying stop but man, I hope they don’t toss Goose in a season vault just as you’re finishing the lower one because that would be super annoying.

    I finished Magik3 naturally about a month back or so, then they gave me the 4 star from the vault... now I have a 5 that is awesome and a 4 wasting a roster slot for who knows ho wany years until she starts getting covers. I can confirm this doesn't feel good.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,886 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I'm not max-maxing those, just freeing up roster slots as soon as possible.

    @entrailbucket what does Worthy Cap look like at 5* ?

    Mine is lvl502 unboosted.



  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 386 Mover and Shaker

    If that red passive did damage and the yellow countdown were reduced to 1 he would probably be ok or at least fun to play.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,886 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    If that red passive did damage and the yellow countdown were reduced to 1 he would probably be ok or at least fun to play.

    When he's boosted the red passive is like 10k so it's a little less embarrassing. It's still not really enough to counter m'Thor though. Blue is actually a much better counter for those teams but it's about 1 or 2 AP more expensive than it should be. The yellow power is annoying but pretty easy to play around. The red active is just bad.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 386 Mover and Shaker

    Ugh, I just realized he's also 52 levels in and still that weak. @entrailbucket make him better please.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,886 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    Ugh, I just realized he's also 52 levels in and still that weak. @entrailbucket make him better please.

    Remember he got nerfed pretty hard, and I believe it was pre BCS -- I don't think he ever did any damage to speak of, but he basically had the Bishop passive when paired with Hawkeye.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he got revisited at some point. BCS seem to be undoing some of the more punitive Demiurge nerfs.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,430 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 15 November 2024, 09:11

    1 year of MPQ play. 1 year with her as my only target. From release. F2P, Top 100 alliance. Worth it? You be the judge!

    To note: Sersei's purple (L461) creates a strength 1865 passive special tile




  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,466 Chairperson of the Boards

    Has anybody done 3* Jeff the Shark yet? His version of Don't Eat that (green) at 4* seems like it would be pretty wild with 5* numbers involved. 6 green: select a SAP type, jeff eats all these, converting them to basic, then spits them back up as friendly tiles 1 turn later with a bonus 100% (rounded up). tiles have an average of all consumed tiles

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,886 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Has anybody done 3* Jeff the Shark yet? His version of Don't Eat that (green) at 4* seems like it would be pretty wild with 5* numbers involved. 6 green: select a SAP type, jeff eats all these, converting them to basic, then spits them back up as friendly tiles 1 turn later with a bonus 100% (rounded up). tiles have an average of all consumed tiles

    Ask and ye shall something something
    (Lvl452 no boost)



  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 535 Critical Contributor

    @WhiteBomber said:

    @bluewolf said:

    @rainkingucd said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I figured you probably had most of them. I’m still working on my first 370 3* but it’s getting close at 361 2/3. I have a decent amount of 4* pairs, but it is going to take less time to max-min a dupe for scarlet witch and finish her than to grind 300 covers for one of the others. I’m at 62 ascended 4-5s, with I guess 92 left to go?

    I'm on track for my first "natural" 3a5 ascension (i.e. no 3a4 ascended from vaults or anything, no purchases). I might be the only one posting Goose screenshots :)

    She came out last November, and has been my favourite target ever since. I have one copy at 370, her dupe is at 247. By end of November, I should have a 3a5 Goose

    So, basically a year without a boost from pulling a 3-4 from a vault or something.

    I’m not saying stop but man, I hope they don’t toss Goose in a season vault just as you’re finishing the lower one because that would be super annoying.

    I finished Magik3 naturally about a month back or so, then they gave me the 4 star from the vault... now I have a 5 that is awesome and a 4 wasting a roster slot for who knows ho wany years until she starts getting covers. I can confirm this doesn't feel good.

    Aw, shucks, it doesn't have to be that way. The 'spare' isn't just a boat anchor. It is an asset! On rarity-locked nodes, you can still use that character (if it's the right rarity) when your ascended is locked out. And, when you do 550 a copy, you can start over a whole tier ahead, not have to start over at ground zero. Will save a chunk of time on your next ascension cycle.

    (Have to keep an eye on the positive .... as I have quite a few of these 'spares' ... had to get my mind right ... )

  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 535 Critical Contributor
    edited 16 November 2024, 15:37

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WhiteBomber said:
    Ugh, I just realized he's also 52 levels in and still that weak. @entrailbucket make him better please.

    Remember [1]he got nerfed pretty hard, and I believe** [2]it was pre BCS** -- [3]I don't think he ever did any damage to speak of, but he basically had the Bishop passive when paired with Hawkeye.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he got revisited at some point. [4]BCS seem[s] to be undoing some of the more punitive Demiurge nerfs.

    1. Yes, yes he did. :( Was one of the few chars I went all-in on during my first ~8yrs of play, becasue I was a Cap guy from way back, and it was an exciting design and great movie reference.

    2. Yes, yes, it was. Clipped him hard just a few months after his Sept 2019 release.

    3. Now this one got me wondering. How would Worthy Cap 1.0 (potentially) scale at 450 ... 550 ... 672? Watch this space, I have it laid out but need to get scaling ratios at home this evening. He had an all-too brief moment in the sun, and, at least in my context at the time ... 5yrs ago in 4* / low 5* land, Worthy Cap was laying waste, slagging fools like crazy. Paired with today's options for creating charged tiles and boosting dmg numbers ... would be nuts.

    4. Yes they are, slowly tuning up the dustiest, most neglected chars, which are often those gutted by the prev administration. Here's hoping for Hammer Cap!

    And here we go, taking the lvl 270 numbers from Worthy Cap 1.0, and applying typical scaling ratios up to lvls 370, 450, 550, and 672. Bear in mind this was before power creep started doubling all the numbers in the 5★ tier!

    Ofc, this makes a big assumption, that no other changes would have been applied to Wothy Cap 1.0's ascended version. For instance, Worthy Cap 1.0 blue dealt a blow for every charged tile, up to 6 tiles. Worthy Cap 2.0, and 2.0's ascended version, both do damage per tile, up to 9 tiles ... but less dmg per tile.

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