New Feature - Champions 2.0 (Live with R287)

Waddles_Pines

@bbigler said:
@Kolence
You bring up a very good point, so I went back and calculated rewards again using a different hybrid approach where you use 2 max champs on the character that will be maxed in the next tier. But the “Min” character in the next tier would be built using the Max + Min method. The result? The rewards were significantly better for 3-stars but only marginally better for 2-stars in comparison to my Hybrid Approach #1.

With this Hybrid Approach #2, you still get the character to 550 with the least amount of covers, but the rewards are better. My Hybrid Approach #1 does get you a little more rewards, but the character only reaches 534. You can certainly justify that 16 x 5-Star levels is worth more than those little extra rewards. Since this information is buried in this thread, I’ll start a new post to present my findings as simply as possible.

Thanks @bbigler. This thread is way too unwieldily to make sense of things. 🤣

Punter1

New take on "best" rewards-based approach... this is a mix

1-stars (3 powers only):
16x max at 13 covers ascend to 8x 2-stars = 208 covers
6x max 2-Stars = 300 covers - 2 extra than normal and 2x more bonus free champ rewards for no tax
2x level 94 2-stars = 0 additional covers

4x max 2s ascend to 2x lvl 191 3s + 300 (2x150) covers = 2x max 3 stars
2x max + min 2s ascend to 2x 166 3 stars = 0 additional covers

2x max + 2x min 3s ascend to 2x 270 4*s

Choice now:
normal progress - 300 covers to max 1 4* ascend and 400 covers to 550 = 1,508

optional tax approach - 600 covers to max both 4* ascend to 475 5 star and now 300 covers to 550 = 1,708

200 more 1 star covers to get a 2nd 4* maxed, equivalent to 20 more LT (10 LT + 260CP) + other 4* rewards along the way. This seems a like a good trade off for 1 star covers

2-Stars:
You can also do the 6x max 2stars approach and spend no extra covers, just gaining 2 lots of 2 star champ rewards as extra.
Similarly at 4 star time you can do the same trade, 200 more 2 star covers for a 2nd 4 star rewards tree as additional. Perhaps more debatable given the extra time required compared to 1 star

3-stars:
max 3x and 1x min 3stars = 352 covers
Ascend to a 303 4 star and 270 4 star
needs 201 covers to take the 303 to 370
ascend min + max 4 = 370 + 400 covers

total = 953 covers, compare to 952 for agreed min approach.

Apologies if others already stated this, but for any 1/2/3, to max a 2nd 4 star costs tax of NET 200 covers. 300 more when at 4 star 3:1 equivalence, and 100 less at 5 star as you now start at 475.

NB - for 4 stars - Max-Max still seems best rewards based approach

BlixTheFrog

I just made another calculus, so bear with me :
If someone starts from scratch and pulls daily all tokens availables with a 95% ratio of "free" covers versus "bought" covers (meaning covers you won’t get just by playing), with a drop rate of 1 per 7 and a drift wind of 20 "miles" per hour (miles being the covers you got from rewards of other covers), and if the pull-back from LLs isn’t too drafty because you never know with this game, it appears that aside from community events, I have no idea at which point in this message you realized I was pulling your leg.

Druiz23

At this point it’s more than just a “slight delay”. It’s days later. I would call this more of a “significant delay” in getting the update pushed.

ThaRoadWarrior

If its held up in Cert, they can't do anything but wait.

Bowgentle

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
If its held up in Cert, they can't do anything but wait.

Maybe it already got rejected and they're working on resubmitting.

bbigler

@Punter1
I agree. We came to the same conclusion independently - ascend with 2 max champs if that character will be maxed in the next tier; otherwise use the minimum. I think that’s the best approach and I’m calling it Hybrid #2 in my next post.

Punter1

@bbigler said:
@Punter1
I agree. We came to the same conclusion independently - ascend with 2 max champs if that character will be maxed in the next tier; otherwise use the minimum. I think that’s the best approach and I’m calling it Hybrid #2 in my next post.

Kinda - though you still lose out to conversion ratios as you ascend the tiers and can't quite follow that pattern for 1s & 2s as 3s when making 4s (I thought it would work but didn't)

Best to save the tax on the 3>4 conversion, but it's a worthy tax > reward conversion when you are collecting 4* rewards with 1* & 2* covers

Bad

@bbigler said:

@Bad said:
You are forgetting iso cost. And a new player never will be able to afford a million and half iso to ascend someone to lv 550.

You don't need a million and a half ISO to ascend to 550. More like a half million and I can make that in a week.

You need a maxed 4* and a champed 4* to the bind. Each one of them costs 380k iso.
760k iso and now add the 3* (100k to champ each one), 2* , and 1*.
But for you the price is half a million.
How a new player can obtain more than 1 million iso to spend it happily?

fnedude

"You need a maxed 4* and a champed 4* to the bind. Each one of them costs 380k iso.
760k iso and now add the 3* (100k to champ each one), 2* , and 1*.
But for you the price is half a million.
How a new player can obtain more than 1 million iso to spend it happily?"

A new player will not have earned enough 4* covers to champ a 2nd one.

I've played 9yr 11mo and I only have about 1/4 of the 4*s with a dupe. I'm T100 PVE and T100 PVP, free to play.

Newbies won't be worrying about ascending 4*s.

gamecat235

@Bad said:

@bbigler said:

@Bad said:
You are forgetting iso cost. And a new player never will be able to afford a million and half iso to ascend someone to lv 550.

You don't need a million and a half ISO to ascend to 550. More like a half million and I can make that in a week.

You need a maxed 4* and a champed 4* to the bind. Each one of them costs 380k iso.
760k iso and now add the 3* (100k to champ each one), 2* , and 1*.
But for you the price is half a million.
How a new player can obtain more than 1 million iso to spend it happily?

According to the original post it is a Maxed Champ and a max level non-champed character.

From the original post:

Binding

To Ascend a character, you must combine a max level Championed character with a max level non-Championed duplicate of that character in a process known as Binding. Binding consumes the max level non-Champed character in order to Ascend the max level Championed character to the next rarity tier. You must Bind two duplicate characters of the same rarity to create an Ascended character of the next rarity tier.

Note: The minimum requirement for Binding is a max level non-Champed duplicate but you can use a second Championed version of that character if you would like. Any extra covers you have on the second Championed character will roll over to the new Ascended character that is created.

bbigler

@Bad @entrailbucket
You don’t need to pay ISO leveling costs and champ fees in subsequent tiers. When ascending, they start as baby champs. So, you only need to pay for the base tier, everything else is “free”.

So that means the costs are one of these:
16 x max level 1-stars
8 x 2-star champs
4 x 3-Star champs
2 x 4-Star champs

None of those options get near 1 million

entrailbucket

I just got the update, on Android, using the Google Store.

Bad

It's live now.

entrailbucket

I just finished ascending every 4* that was...ascendable (?) for me. The rewards were, uh, something!

370 LT, 80,000HP, and 8089 CP.

So far. Just from 4*.

ElReyFelix

Just Ascended 3* Magneto. His Blue power seemed to...get worse?

At 3* max level 266, his Blue power (at 5) does 877 damage per tile swap.

As an ascended 4* level 299, his Blue power (at 5) does 851 damage per tile swap.

ThaRoadWarrior

Valkyrie seems useless at 5*.

ThaRoadWarrior

I’m highly underwhelmed by the power numbers I’m seeing, but health and match numbers look appropriate.

ThaRoadWarrior

Medusa looks like this, power numbers don’t feel adjusted up.

ThaRoadWarrior

Here are Iron Man (hulkbuster)’s numbers