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  • ArchusMonk
    ArchusMonk Posts: 211 Tile Toppler
    edited September 2023

    @658_2 said:
    I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters?

    I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3*+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 star favorite even if ascended to 4 star.

    EDIT: scrolled back. He answered this question this way on page 1.

  • DrClever
    DrClever Posts: 584 Critical Contributor

    Here's some update release dates:

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  • 658_2
    658_2 Posts: 235 Tile Toppler
    edited September 2023

    . > @ArchusMonk said:

    @658_2 said:
    I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters?

    I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*.

    Thank you. That’s very interesting and quite exploitable. You can fund 15 roster slots just by taking one 4 through 5* rewards, plus all the other rewards.

    I’m really starting to believe Entrailbucket is right and pulling Classics is a much better strategy than pulling LLs. If you’re not playing ultra competitive and the next optimal combo isn’t very relevant to your experience, it definitely is a superior strategy. The obvious limiting factor being, how long will the game be around? Roster slots for ascension and the abundance of vaults with 5s, particularly blank shards, have drastically increased the value of hp. Getting 4s into 5* rewards is huge. You get an extra 37 4s (and 13 5s) per every 5000cp spent on Classics vs LLs.

  • Phumade
    Phumade Posts: 2,503 Chairperson of the Boards

    So if roster slots & HP are no object and you're overflowing with both, max champs may be the way to go. But I'm probably going to need to use Max Level (Min Champs) just to strategize with the roster slots I've got.
    @658_2 said:
    . > @ArchusMonk said:

    @658_2 said:
    I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters?

    I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*.

    Thank you. That’s very interesting and quite exploitable. You can fund 15 roster slots just by taking one 4 through 5* rewards, plus all the other rewards.

    I’m really starting to believe Entrailbucket is right and pulling Classics is a much better strategy than pulling LLs. If you’re not playing ultra competitive and the next optimal combo isn’t very relevant to your experience, it definitely is a superior strategy. The obvious limiting factor being, how long will the game be around? Roster slots for ascension and the abundance of vaults with 5s, particularly blank shards, have drastically increased the value of hp. Getting 4s into 5* rewards is huge. You get an extra 37 4s (and 13 5s) per every 5000cp spent on Classics vs LLs.

    keep in mind, EB and the other Eldar rosters still get a massive number of LLs. The idea of focusing on "classics" is under the assumption that they can already get the 13 covers from naturally occurring LL, not using CP to purchase LL. Focusing on Classics vs LL really depends on where your at in the MPQ lifecycle.

  • 658_2
    658_2 Posts: 235 Tile Toppler

    Very good point.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,976 Chairperson of the Boards

    @658_2 said:
    . > @ArchusMonk said:

    @658_2 said:
    I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters?

    I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*.

    Thank you. That’s very interesting and quite exploitable. You can fund 15 roster slots just by taking one 4 through 5* rewards, plus all the other rewards.

    I’m really starting to believe Entrailbucket is right and pulling Classics is a much better strategy than pulling LLs. If you’re not playing ultra competitive and the next optimal combo isn’t very relevant to your experience, it definitely is a superior strategy. The obvious limiting factor being, how long will the game be around? Roster slots for ascension and the abundance of vaults with 5s, particularly blank shards, have drastically increased the value of hp. Getting 4s into 5* rewards is huge. You get an extra 37 4s (and 13 5s) per every 5000cp spent on Classics vs LLs.

    Well, I think it was objectively a pretty dumb thing to do until boosted 5* showed up. Once that happened, all-in on Classics became a viable alternative to hoarding/Latest (as proved out by @ThaRoadWarrior pretty extensively), and now the changes to Classics, plus all this stuff...I think there's a pretty strong case.

    I still don't think most players will do it, because the stink on Classics from years of terrible reputation is a lot to overcome.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,471 Chairperson of the Boards

    There's a tipping point where pulling all your CP in classics will work and still allow you to keep current. I found it was when half-to-most of my 4* roster was above 320, because that's aroudn the point where rewards start getting good, and it was also around the time BCS took over and most new 5s were launching with retroactive feeders. So most of the new 5s are hitting my roster with 4-6 covers right out of the box due to highly champed 4s. The few recent characters who came out with newly launched feeders or no existing feeder would occasionally drop out at 11-12 covers, but i was able to shard them over in fairly short order. Your mileage on RNG is always going to vary when it comes to chasing something you specifically want, so you have to reframe your roster thoughts towards building a broad base were it truly doesn't matter to you what comes out of the token since all of it is useful for generating resources, and you are just going for maximum shard production to chase the characters you want on purpose.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,976 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Phumade said:

    So if roster slots & HP are no object and you're overflowing with both, max champs may be the way to go. But I'm probably going to need to use Max Level (Min Champs) just to strategize with the roster slots I've got.
    @658_2 said:
    . > @ArchusMonk said:

    @658_2 said:
    I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters?

    I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*.

    Thank you. That’s very interesting and quite exploitable. You can fund 15 roster slots just by taking one 4 through 5* rewards, plus all the other rewards.

    I’m really starting to believe Entrailbucket is right and pulling Classics is a much better strategy than pulling LLs. If you’re not playing ultra competitive and the next optimal combo isn’t very relevant to your experience, it definitely is a superior strategy. The obvious limiting factor being, how long will the game be around? Roster slots for ascension and the abundance of vaults with 5s, particularly blank shards, have drastically increased the value of hp. Getting 4s into 5* rewards is huge. You get an extra 37 4s (and 13 5s) per every 5000cp spent on Classics vs LLs.

    keep in mind, EB and the other Eldar rosters still get a massive number of LLs. The idea of focusing on "classics" is under the assumption that they can already get the 13 covers from naturally occurring LL, not using CP to purchase LL. Focusing on Classics vs LL really depends on where your at in the MPQ lifecycle.

    Again, @ThaRoadWarrior has proved that you don't need to be a 10-year vet, with 10 years of competitive history, to make it work.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,471 Chairperson of the Boards

    I don't feel like an Eldritch Roster in my heart, but I guess being on day 2,787 with all 5s champed outside of LL and 46 max-champ 4s puts me in some type of non-casual category I suppose. But I pretty openly only play PVP to 1,000-1200 points and PVE i just green check every node all at once in scl10 for around t200, and I'm in a super casual alliance that has only finished full progression in an alliance event one time ever.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,976 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    I don't feel like an Eldritch Roster in my heart, but I guess being on day 2,787 with all 5s champed outside of LL and 46 max-champ 4s puts me in some type of non-casual category I suppose. But I pretty openly only play PVP to 1,000-1200 points and PVE i just green check every node all at once in scl10 for around t200, and I'm in a super casual alliance that has only finished full progression in an alliance event one time ever.

    Yeah...I mean, I'm pretty sure you've spent significantly less than I have over the years, plus I'm a first-month player who spent something like 8 full years finishing somewhere between #1 and #5 in every single event, PvP or PvE.

    When I'd try to pitch Classics as a strategy in the past, the pushback I'd get is that it could only work for a player of my esteemed (lol) tenure and spend-rate. Most of the folks who told me it couldn't possibly work for them have out-tenured, out-spent, and out-played you over the years.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Phumade said:

    So if roster slots & HP are no object and you're overflowing with both, max champs may be the way to go. But I'm probably going to need to use Max Level (Min Champs) just to strategize with the roster slots I've got.
    @658_2 said:
    . > @ArchusMonk said:

    @658_2 said:
    I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters?

    I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*.

    Thank you. That’s very interesting and quite exploitable. You can fund 15 roster slots just by taking one 4 through 5* rewards, plus all the other rewards.

    I’m really starting to believe Entrailbucket is right and pulling Classics is a much better strategy than pulling LLs. If you’re not playing ultra competitive and the next optimal combo isn’t very relevant to your experience, it definitely is a superior strategy. The obvious limiting factor being, how long will the game be around? Roster slots for ascension and the abundance of vaults with 5s, particularly blank shards, have drastically increased the value of hp. Getting 4s into 5* rewards is huge. You get an extra 37 4s (and 13 5s) per every 5000cp spent on Classics vs LLs.

    keep in mind, EB and the other Eldar rosters still get a massive number of LLs. The idea of focusing on "classics" is under the assumption that they can already get the 13 covers from naturally occurring LL, not using CP to purchase LL. Focusing on Classics vs LL really depends on where your at in the MPQ lifecycle.

    Again, @ThaRoadWarrior has proved that you don't need to be a 10-year vet, with 10 years of competitive history, to make it work.

    Day 2787.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,471 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    @Bowgentle said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Phumade said:

    So if roster slots & HP are no object and you're overflowing with both, max champs may be the way to go. But I'm probably going to need to use Max Level (Min Champs) just to strategize with the roster slots I've got.
    @658_2 said:
    . > @ArchusMonk said:

    @658_2 said:
    I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters?

    I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*.

    Thank you. That’s very interesting and quite exploitable. You can fund 15 roster slots just by taking one 4 through 5* rewards, plus all the other rewards.

    I’m really starting to believe Entrailbucket is right and pulling Classics is a much better strategy than pulling LLs. If you’re not playing ultra competitive and the next optimal combo isn’t very relevant to your experience, it definitely is a superior strategy. The obvious limiting factor being, how long will the game be around? Roster slots for ascension and the abundance of vaults with 5s, particularly blank shards, have drastically increased the value of hp. Getting 4s into 5* rewards is huge. You get an extra 37 4s (and 13 5s) per every 5000cp spent on Classics vs LLs.

    keep in mind, EB and the other Eldar rosters still get a massive number of LLs. The idea of focusing on "classics" is under the assumption that they can already get the 13 covers from naturally occurring LL, not using CP to purchase LL. Focusing on Classics vs LL really depends on where your at in the MPQ lifecycle.

    Again, @ThaRoadWarrior has proved that you don't need to be a 10-year vet, with 10 years of competitive history, to make it work.

    Day 2787.

    That's only 7.6 years, EB's assertion is technically correct (the best kind of correct I'm told). Also i'm 100% F2P that whole time, and I pre-date SCLs, bonus heroes, and shards by quite some time. Much like how EB was ultra competitive for several years, I was ultra....not for a similar amount of time. So You could probably lop off the first 1-2 years of that play time as wasted. I would bet you could do it way sooner than I did now, even without spending. But yeah it takes a long time - just 20% less long that committing to LL only.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    7,5 years daily play on a mobile match 3 toilet game.
    Just let that sink in 🤣

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,976 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Phumade said:

    So if roster slots & HP are no object and you're overflowing with both, max champs may be the way to go. But I'm probably going to need to use Max Level (Min Champs) just to strategize with the roster slots I've got.
    @658_2 said:
    . > @ArchusMonk said:

    @658_2 said:
    I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters?

    I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*.

    Thank you. That’s very interesting and quite exploitable. You can fund 15 roster slots just by taking one 4 through 5* rewards, plus all the other rewards.

    I’m really starting to believe Entrailbucket is right and pulling Classics is a much better strategy than pulling LLs. If you’re not playing ultra competitive and the next optimal combo isn’t very relevant to your experience, it definitely is a superior strategy. The obvious limiting factor being, how long will the game be around? Roster slots for ascension and the abundance of vaults with 5s, particularly blank shards, have drastically increased the value of hp. Getting 4s into 5* rewards is huge. You get an extra 37 4s (and 13 5s) per every 5000cp spent on Classics vs LLs.

    keep in mind, EB and the other Eldar rosters still get a massive number of LLs. The idea of focusing on "classics" is under the assumption that they can already get the 13 covers from naturally occurring LL, not using CP to purchase LL. Focusing on Classics vs LL really depends on where your at in the MPQ lifecycle.

    Again, @ThaRoadWarrior has proved that you don't need to be a 10-year vet, with 10 years of competitive history, to make it work.

    Day 2787.

    Folks at day 3000, who'd been in top alliances for 7 years, were telling me that it could never work for them. How many days do you have?

    Heck, I bet you're longer-tenured, with more "competitive days," than roadwarrior.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    Sure it would work for you and me and everyone who has been competitive for 10 years (7 with a 3 year break for me).
    But you're still asking people for say... At least 2 years competitive daily play.
    The people who stick around mobile games for so long are few and far between.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,976 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:
    Sure it would work for you and me and everyone who has been competitive for 10 years (7 with a 3 year break for me).
    But you're still asking people for say... At least 2 years competitive daily play.
    The people who stick around mobile games for so long are few and far between.

    I mean, I wasn't trying to sell the strategy to noncompetitive, non-daily, completely casual players, though?

    The argument has always been whether it'd work for folks who hoard and go all in on Latest, even though they hate it/find it boring, because someone told them that was the only way to be competitive.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,471 Chairperson of the Boards

    Honestly, if you're hyper casual, it probably is the best place to spend your resources since you won't be earning enough to keep up or get anything useful out of LL either. Might as well put that 20cp to work more often.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,976 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    It's pretty funny how the goalposts continually move on this particular topic. First it would never work for anyone, then I proved it worked for me, but that was just because there was nobody else like me. Then it worked for roadwarrior, but that's only because of reasons, and it'd never work for anyone else.

    The next time somebody tries going into classics and it works for them, there'll be some reason why it only worked for them and couldn't possibly work for any other kind of player.

  • Altair22
    Altair22 Posts: 120 Tile Toppler

    Im thinking R287 comes out on Thursday when 2022 PVP ends.

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