@GrimSkald said: Up until Broken Circle took over the updates were almost always Tuesday. After that... honestly they seemed to be all over the place? Sometimes Saturday, sometimes Wednesday? I know I've seen updates over the weekend, which surprised me, but they've also been pretty late in the week too.
@GrimSkald said:
Up until Broken Circle took over the updates were almost always Tuesday. After that... honestly they seemed to be all over the place? Sometimes Saturday, sometimes Wednesday? I know I've seen updates over the weekend, which surprised me, but they've also been pretty late in the week too.
> So there is another one who remembers updates use to appear on Tuesday. Is his memory working wrong too, mr @Bowgentle ? Or is it just mine? Yeah sometimes has appeared wednesday but the usual time it appears on android (I can only talk what I play) is from now until 2 hours, Tuesday.
I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters?
R286 is dated september 12th (a tuesday) in the Apple appstore, and I had the forced update one day later. My 'usual experience' is that an update comes out on a monday So my guess is that updates can come anywhere from monday onwards by 24-48 hours. (And I think it's happened once that an update came out in a thursday, but that could have been a forced one and I was just late.)
Yeah on playstore it can be seen when it was your last actualization. And mine was Sep 7th. Tuesday! It's nuts isn't it?
There may be a simple answer to this - the Devs are on Mysterious land near Pacific time so possibly they do submit it on a Monday but that translates into a Tuesday in sensible time zone Britannia and mates?
OK I have no idea.
@max5esq said: What about number of covers to get to 450?
For a new player starting from scratch, you just subtract 400 covers from the earlier numbers for 4★ characters and below: 5★: 13 covers 4★: 126 covers 3★: 552 covers 2★: 1,004 covers 1★ (3 Powers): 1,108 covers 1★ (2 Powers): 1,060 covers
Just wait until you've loaded up your seed teams in the Lightning Round that starts in a bit, that'll be the time the update comes out...
@658_2 said: I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters?
I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3*+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 star favorite even if ascended to 4 star.
EDIT: scrolled back. He answered this question this way on page 1.
Here's some update release dates:
Sep 7, 2023 Version 286.653327 Aug 22, 2023 Version 285.651626 Aug 10, 2023 Version 284.650159 Jul 20, 2023 Version 283.646511 Jul 7, 2023 Version 282.643883 Jun 27, 2023 Version 281.642850 Jun 16, 2023 Version 280.641791 Jun 1, 2023 Version 279.640181 May 10, 2023 Version 278.637508 Apr 27, 2023 Version 277.635999 Apr 21, 2023 Version 276.635126 Apr 4, 2023 Version 275.633018 Mar 15, 2023 Version 274.630764 Mar 6, 2023 Version 273.629424 Feb 16, 2023 Version 272.627753 Feb 8, 2023 Version 271.626719 Jan 23, 2023 Version 270.625226 Jan 4, 2023 Version 269.623524 Dec 17, 2022 Version 268.622633 Dec 7, 2022 Version 267.621344 Nov 30, 2022 Version 266.620498 Nov 10, 2022 Version 265.618694 Nov 1, 2022 Version 264.617994 Oct 17, 2022 Version 263.616566 Oct 4, 2022 Version 262.615215 Sep 26, 2022 Version 261.614319 Sep 1, 2022 Version 260.612068 Aug 16, 2022 Version 259.610245 Jul 27, 2022 Version 258.608593 Jul 8, 2022 Version 257.606656 Jun 27, 2022 Version 256.605757 Jun 9, 2022 Version 255.604331 Jun 1, 2022 Version 254.603425 May 18, 2022 Version 253.601919 Apr 28, 2022 Version 252.601110 Apr 14, 2022 Version 251.600196 Apr 1, 2022 Version 250.599002 Mar 18, 2022 Version 249.597734 Mar 3, 2022 Version 248.596459 Feb 17, 2022 Version 247.595204 Feb 3, 2022 Version 246.594155 Jan 21, 2022 Version 245.593014 Dec 21, 2021 Version 244.591162 Dec 9, 2021 Version 243.590233 Nov 24, 2021 Version 242.589213 Nov 12, 2021 Version 241.588202 Oct 28, 2021 Version 240.586988 Oct 14, 2021 Version 239.585839 Sep 29, 2021 Version 238.584701 Sep 17, 2021 Version 237.583590
Eureka! I've got it! The best way to maximize champ rewards with ascending: the Max+Max ascending "tax" only applies in the next tier, NOT the tier you start from. Because of this, a Hybrid approach is best for 3-stars. Each tier is different, so here's the best method for each tier:
4-Stars: 370+370 3-Stars: 266+266 => 370+303 2-Stars: 144+94 => 266+167 => 370+271 1-Stars: 50+50 => 144+94 => 266+167 => 370+271
======================================================= Using 957 x 3-star covers:
Max+Min Approach => Go up to 550 447,500 Iso-8 25,300 Hero Points 949 Command Points 10 Heroic Token 8 Mighty Token 4 Classic Legends 48 Latest LegendsCP + LT = 86
Max+Max Approach => Go up to 501 544,000 Iso-8 13,600 Hero Points 973 Command Points 20 Heroic Token 16 Mighty Token 8 Classic Legends 53 Latest LegendsCP + LT = 92
Max+Max => Max+Min => Go up to 534 528,500 Iso-8 16,150 Hero Points 963 Command Points 20 Heroic Token 16 Mighty Token 8 Classic Legends 55 Latest LegendsCP + LT = 94
. > @ArchusMonk said:
@658_2 said: I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters? I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*.
I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*.
Thank you. That’s very interesting and quite exploitable. You can fund 15 roster slots just by taking one 4 through 5* rewards, plus all the other rewards.
I’m really starting to believe Entrailbucket is right and pulling Classics is a much better strategy than pulling LLs. If you’re not playing ultra competitive and the next optimal combo isn’t very relevant to your experience, it definitely is a superior strategy. The obvious limiting factor being, how long will the game be around? Roster slots for ascension and the abundance of vaults with 5s, particularly blank shards, have drastically increased the value of hp. Getting 4s into 5* rewards is huge. You get an extra 37 4s (and 13 5s) per every 5000cp spent on Classics vs LLs.
So if roster slots & HP are no object and you're overflowing with both, max champs may be the way to go. But I'm probably going to need to use Max Level (Min Champs) just to strategize with the roster slots I've got.@658_2 said: . > @ArchusMonk said: @658_2 said: I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters? I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*. Thank you. That’s very interesting and quite exploitable. You can fund 15 roster slots just by taking one 4 through 5* rewards, plus all the other rewards. I’m really starting to believe Entrailbucket is right and pulling Classics is a much better strategy than pulling LLs. If you’re not playing ultra competitive and the next optimal combo isn’t very relevant to your experience, it definitely is a superior strategy. The obvious limiting factor being, how long will the game be around? Roster slots for ascension and the abundance of vaults with 5s, particularly blank shards, have drastically increased the value of hp. Getting 4s into 5* rewards is huge. You get an extra 37 4s (and 13 5s) per every 5000cp spent on Classics vs LLs.
So if roster slots & HP are no object and you're overflowing with both, max champs may be the way to go. But I'm probably going to need to use Max Level (Min Champs) just to strategize with the roster slots I've got.@658_2 said: . > @ArchusMonk said:
keep in mind, EB and the other Eldar rosters still get a massive number of LLs. The idea of focusing on "classics" is under the assumption that they can already get the 13 covers from naturally occurring LL, not using CP to purchase LL. Focusing on Classics vs LL really depends on where your at in the MPQ lifecycle.
Very good point.
@658_2 said: . > @ArchusMonk said: @658_2 said: I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters? I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*. Thank you. That’s very interesting and quite exploitable. You can fund 15 roster slots just by taking one 4 through 5* rewards, plus all the other rewards. I’m really starting to believe Entrailbucket is right and pulling Classics is a much better strategy than pulling LLs. If you’re not playing ultra competitive and the next optimal combo isn’t very relevant to your experience, it definitely is a superior strategy. The obvious limiting factor being, how long will the game be around? Roster slots for ascension and the abundance of vaults with 5s, particularly blank shards, have drastically increased the value of hp. Getting 4s into 5* rewards is huge. You get an extra 37 4s (and 13 5s) per every 5000cp spent on Classics vs LLs.
@658_2 said: . > @ArchusMonk said:
Well, I think it was objectively a pretty dumb thing to do until boosted 5* showed up. Once that happened, all-in on Classics became a viable alternative to hoarding/Latest (as proved out by @ThaRoadWarrior pretty extensively), and now the changes to Classics, plus all this stuff...I think there's a pretty strong case.
I still don't think most players will do it, because the stink on Classics from years of terrible reputation is a lot to overcome.
There's a tipping point where pulling all your CP in classics will work and still allow you to keep current. I found it was when half-to-most of my 4* roster was above 320, because that's aroudn the point where rewards start getting good, and it was also around the time BCS took over and most new 5s were launching with retroactive feeders. So most of the new 5s are hitting my roster with 4-6 covers right out of the box due to highly champed 4s. The few recent characters who came out with newly launched feeders or no existing feeder would occasionally drop out at 11-12 covers, but i was able to shard them over in fairly short order. Your mileage on RNG is always going to vary when it comes to chasing something you specifically want, so you have to reframe your roster thoughts towards building a broad base were it truly doesn't matter to you what comes out of the token since all of it is useful for generating resources, and you are just going for maximum shard production to chase the characters you want on purpose.
@Phumade said: So if roster slots & HP are no object and you're overflowing with both, max champs may be the way to go. But I'm probably going to need to use Max Level (Min Champs) just to strategize with the roster slots I've got.@658_2 said: . > @ArchusMonk said: @658_2 said: I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters? I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*. Thank you. That’s very interesting and quite exploitable. You can fund 15 roster slots just by taking one 4 through 5* rewards, plus all the other rewards. I’m really starting to believe Entrailbucket is right and pulling Classics is a much better strategy than pulling LLs. If you’re not playing ultra competitive and the next optimal combo isn’t very relevant to your experience, it definitely is a superior strategy. The obvious limiting factor being, how long will the game be around? Roster slots for ascension and the abundance of vaults with 5s, particularly blank shards, have drastically increased the value of hp. Getting 4s into 5* rewards is huge. You get an extra 37 4s (and 13 5s) per every 5000cp spent on Classics vs LLs. keep in mind, EB and the other Eldar rosters still get a massive number of LLs. The idea of focusing on "classics" is under the assumption that they can already get the 13 covers from naturally occurring LL, not using CP to purchase LL. Focusing on Classics vs LL really depends on where your at in the MPQ lifecycle.
@Phumade said:
Again, @ThaRoadWarrior has proved that you don't need to be a 10-year vet, with 10 years of competitive history, to make it work.
I don't feel like an Eldritch Roster in my heart, but I guess being on day 2,787 with all 5s champed outside of LL and 46 max-champ 4s puts me in some type of non-casual category I suppose. But I pretty openly only play PVP to 1,000-1200 points and PVE i just green check every node all at once in scl10 for around t200, and I'm in a super casual alliance that has only finished full progression in an alliance event one time ever.
@ThaRoadWarrior said: I don't feel like an Eldritch Roster in my heart, but I guess being on day 2,787 with all 5s champed outside of LL and 46 max-champ 4s puts me in some type of non-casual category I suppose. But I pretty openly only play PVP to 1,000-1200 points and PVE i just green check every node all at once in scl10 for around t200, and I'm in a super casual alliance that has only finished full progression in an alliance event one time ever.
Yeah...I mean, I'm pretty sure you've spent significantly less than I have over the years, plus I'm a first-month player who spent something like 8 full years finishing somewhere between #1 and #5 in every single event, PvP or PvE.
When I'd try to pitch Classics as a strategy in the past, the pushback I'd get is that it could only work for a player of my esteemed (lol) tenure and spend-rate. Most of the folks who told me it couldn't possibly work for them have out-tenured, out-spent, and out-played you over the years.
@entrailbucket said: @Phumade said: So if roster slots & HP are no object and you're overflowing with both, max champs may be the way to go. But I'm probably going to need to use Max Level (Min Champs) just to strategize with the roster slots I've got.@658_2 said: . > @ArchusMonk said: @658_2 said: I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters? I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*. Thank you. That’s very interesting and quite exploitable. You can fund 15 roster slots just by taking one 4 through 5* rewards, plus all the other rewards. I’m really starting to believe Entrailbucket is right and pulling Classics is a much better strategy than pulling LLs. If you’re not playing ultra competitive and the next optimal combo isn’t very relevant to your experience, it definitely is a superior strategy. The obvious limiting factor being, how long will the game be around? Roster slots for ascension and the abundance of vaults with 5s, particularly blank shards, have drastically increased the value of hp. Getting 4s into 5* rewards is huge. You get an extra 37 4s (and 13 5s) per every 5000cp spent on Classics vs LLs. keep in mind, EB and the other Eldar rosters still get a massive number of LLs. The idea of focusing on "classics" is under the assumption that they can already get the 13 covers from naturally occurring LL, not using CP to purchase LL. Focusing on Classics vs LL really depends on where your at in the MPQ lifecycle. Again, @ThaRoadWarrior has proved that you don't need to be a 10-year vet, with 10 years of competitive history, to make it work.
@entrailbucket said:
Day 2787.
@Bowgentle said: @entrailbucket said: @Phumade said: So if roster slots & HP are no object and you're overflowing with both, max champs may be the way to go. But I'm probably going to need to use Max Level (Min Champs) just to strategize with the roster slots I've got.@658_2 said: . > @ArchusMonk said: @658_2 said: I’m getting lost in the thread. Have the devs addressed how favorites work for ascended characters? I’m pretty sure IceX said that the favorite counts at the native level of the character so that 1* and 2* cannot be favorited even after Ascension to 3+ while 3 star IM40 for example will always be considered your 3 favorite even if ascended to 4*. Thank you. That’s very interesting and quite exploitable. You can fund 15 roster slots just by taking one 4 through 5* rewards, plus all the other rewards. I’m really starting to believe Entrailbucket is right and pulling Classics is a much better strategy than pulling LLs. If you’re not playing ultra competitive and the next optimal combo isn’t very relevant to your experience, it definitely is a superior strategy. The obvious limiting factor being, how long will the game be around? Roster slots for ascension and the abundance of vaults with 5s, particularly blank shards, have drastically increased the value of hp. Getting 4s into 5* rewards is huge. You get an extra 37 4s (and 13 5s) per every 5000cp spent on Classics vs LLs. keep in mind, EB and the other Eldar rosters still get a massive number of LLs. The idea of focusing on "classics" is under the assumption that they can already get the 13 covers from naturally occurring LL, not using CP to purchase LL. Focusing on Classics vs LL really depends on where your at in the MPQ lifecycle. Again, @ThaRoadWarrior has proved that you don't need to be a 10-year vet, with 10 years of competitive history, to make it work. Day 2787.
@Bowgentle said:
That's only 7.6 years, EB's assertion is technically correct (the best kind of correct I'm told). Also i'm 100% F2P that whole time, and I pre-date SCLs, bonus heroes, and shards by quite some time. Much like how EB was ultra competitive for several years, I was ultra....not for a similar amount of time. So You could probably lop off the first 1-2 years of that play time as wasted. I would bet you could do it way sooner than I did now, even without spending. But yeah it takes a long time - just 20% less long that committing to LL only.