658_2 said: dianetics said: So I’ve been using her pretty regularly the last couple weeks, and I think it’s pretty clear she is a top 10 5* Same and agreed. Her powers are so spammable and both self and teammate supercharging, she can punch way above her weight in pick 2. I took down a 550 Col/SW with 456 JThor/Thor, and easily (with a TU stun). And given how many D wins I keep waking up to, and how little problem I’m having offensively with anything in Sim (except the champed Chasm team), Jthor/Pol/BRB is probably the next dominant SIM team and it’s obviously a great Challenge node team. The only thing JThor lacks is pick 2 defense. I have zero hesitation saying she’s t10, and suspect she’s t5.
dianetics said: So I’ve been using her pretty regularly the last couple weeks, and I think it’s pretty clear she is a top 10 5*
658_2 said: @Vhailorx it depends on what you value. She’s the most well rounded character in the game. She has strength in every area. But, to whatever extent it matters, she doesn’t supplant the meta in any way. She won’t take SC, Apoc or Oko’s spot in pve for tip top players. She doesn’t have a partner in pick 2 pvp that puts her above the Col/SW team. She can’t win Shield Training single handedly like SC. Will the absolute top players, who are entirely focused on placements, use her any time she’s not boosted? Doubt it. On the other hand, if SC is the 1a character anybody entering 5 star play should build around, I’d say Thor is the 1b, and I’m not positive he’s the a and she’s the b. She has advantages over SC in that she plays great with almost everyone, not just a handful of characters, and her blue gives her tremendous in match defense *and*, importantly, versatility to pick a defensive strategy, whereas SC is 95% best defense is a good offense.
658_2 said: On the other hand, if SC is the 1a character anybody entering 5 star play should build around, I’d say Thor is the 1b, and I’m not positive he’s the a and she’s the b.
Interesting take. I think the idea that she would be a standalone meta powerhouse like SC has not bourne out. As sinnerjfl says, she doesn't do quite enough damage to compete with the meta kings, and she does make lots of charged tiles in a way that can be dangerous against challenging opponents. Plus she has absolutely no defense or healing or other sustainability tools. So I am not sure she is a top 5 contender as I thought she might be before release.
That said, she seems like an updated version of halfthor in that she provides passive, constant shake to keep the board fresh. But she doesn't require the babying that he does, and what she lacks in direct ap gen she will frequently make up with enemy special destruction and charged tiles. So she is right up there with the best 5* support options in the game, especially for anyone who needs to meet specific board conditions frequently and can therefore get hung on a stale board (e.g. SC matching purple and red, etc).
Maybe if they hadn't pre-release nerfed her red she would have been the meta queen we sort of expected, instead of just a best-in-slot support 5*.
@Vhailorx said:. Maybe if they hadn't pre-release nerfed her red she would have been the meta queen we sort of expected, instead of just a best-in-slot support 5*.
@Vhailorx said:.
Riri is in, and she’s able to spam charge tiles. I hoping that Jane and Riri can break the immortality meta. They don’t have the scarecrow factor, but if they are fast and can reliably kill the immortal Bros, then the 2 Ladies will be in for a shout.
@atomzed said: @Vhailorx said:. Maybe if they hadn't pre-release nerfed her red she would have been the meta queen we sort of expected, instead of just a best-in-slot support 5*. Riri is in, and she’s able to spam charge tiles. I hoping that Jane and Riri can break the immortality meta. They don’t have the scarecrow factor, but if they are fast and can reliably kill the immortal Bros, then the 2 Ladies will be in for a shout.
@atomzed said:
That combo definitely seems great on paper. Lots of charge tiles everywhere to fuel fosthor, and lots of boardshake to keep riri's actives functional. But no defense anywhere. Are they a healthpack drain?
@Vhailorx said: @atomzed said: @Vhailorx said:. Maybe if they hadn't pre-release nerfed her red she would have been the meta queen we sort of expected, instead of just a best-in-slot support 5*. Riri is in, and she’s able to spam charge tiles. I hoping that Jane and Riri can break the immortality meta. They don’t have the scarecrow factor, but if they are fast and can reliably kill the immortal Bros, then the 2 Ladies will be in for a shout. That combo definitely seems great on paper. Lots of charge tiles everywhere to fuel fosthor, and lots of boardshake to keep riri's actives functional. But no defense anywhere. Are they a healthpack drain?
@Vhailorx said:
I not sure whether they are a health pack drain…. But judging by the cries for nerf (in other threads), I think they have potential to be meta changing or at least meta adjacent.
This pvp week has all recent characters being boosted. Chasm, She-Hulk, Riri, MThor, Emma and Arcade.
I have all of them champed and have good options in Hulking pvp. I tried Chasm + She-Hulk and Riri + Mthor. Both duos are good in their own right. No need to explain the immortal duo. The “electrifying” ladies are a good match against Chasm. I have no issues beating the immortal duos.
I think the meta is better balanced with Riri and Mthor now.