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acescracked

Reecoh said:

acescracked said:

What if the station wagon is a Cadillac CTS-V wagon or a merc amg e63s wagon? Oh the Audi RS6 avant too.

Pretty sure DD was referring to the Family Truckster.

That's baller! I'd buy one.

Dhaunas

Just to correct a common misconception I’ve seen repeated in this thread: the method pc players are using is not a hack, outside program, or anything of the sort.

It could fairly be called an exploit, as the speed up occurs when performing a normal pc function. I had discovered it by accident this past December, and reported it. Some other players also reported me for cheating and I did get suspended, though not sandboxed, for about 4 days. My account was unsuspended after I explained, with video, showing how it was done.

For the record, I did not use it for better placement, just for quicker initial clears in scl10; my placement in events remained the same as before discovering this exploit.

I have since retired from the game, but I would be happy to come back, briefly, just to show that I haven’t been sandboxed, as some might think.

Point is, they are aware of how it’s done, but have said that it’s going to take some time for them to figure out how to fix it. They also asked that I no longer use the exploit, though it’s no longer an issue for me.

Also, any pc running Windows (10 for sure, maybe earlier versions, too) can do it, regardless of specs. It is not hardware dependent.

Theghouse

I don't understand the mindset of some people in here trying to be centrist or playing devil's advocate or just straight up defending exploits.  Aside from the obvious troll...

Why does anyone think that people are asking for blanket bans of people who score better on placement than them? They're not.

Why does anyone think that people are under the impression that it's impossible to lose placement to smaller rosters?  It's not and they're not.

Does anyone here really think the rest of the people on this forum are so caveman-grunting-dense that if they mistimed their optimal clear or didn't even do a full optimal clear that they came here to accuse those playersv who outplaced them of cheating rather than understand quite clearly that their falling in placement was due to their poorly executed clears?  Because they're not.

There's a clearly documented exploit.  People want the devs to find a way to cut it out of the game.

There's a group of players who are capable of playing for top PVE placement.  They see some players beating them with much less capable rosters, obviously not when they are mistiming their clears or skipping clears, but when they are playing at their best.  Given the nature of the exploit that is known, and knowing the power of different rosters, they are suspicious.  And again, not asking for blanket sandboxing, but just that it gets looked at and if there is cheating going on, that it is handled in accordance with the devs published policy.

HoundofShadow

This is the most important message:

Point is, they are aware of how it’s done, but have said that it’s going to take some time for them to figure out how to fix it. 

And, those players lying about the developers not doing anything about the cheat just to push their agenda is simply evil. And it just proved that these players are simply impatient. That probably explains why the  dev can't be bothered to make a statement here as of now. They are dealing with at least one player or a group of players who lied about the whole situation and tried to discredit them. 

Cannibalqueen

I don’t see how it would be hard to identify users like this tho.

I mean it’s not even just clear times, but also you should be able to detect people who are pinging your server way too fast.  Like even in menu choices and what not. It’s very hard for me to believe that they cannot tell the difference between people using hacks like this and normal players.

Cannibalqueen

They are the ones housing the data.  It’s not up to us to catch every cheater that happens to spill their guts on Line or whatever,  they have the means to discern these patterns.  

Just do it and ban them and be vocal about it,  

Cannibalqueen

And if you cannot make such a guarantee for the credibility of your competitive systems, then let it be known.  I for one, it doesn’t make a difference to me or my enjoyment of the game. I don’t go that hard on it.  

But anyone playing competitively should know the playing field.
It’s  ridiculous to act like D3 doesn’t have any place in this.  It’s up to them right now to guarantee at the very least, that they are pursuing the issue.  

Edit: if they cannot at the very least even address this issue, then I feel it’s totally justified to rail on them.  

Beefhammer69

HoundofShadow said:

This is the most important message:

Point is, they are aware of how it’s done, but have said that it’s going to take some time for them to figure out how to fix it. 

And, those players lying about the developers not doing anything about the cheat just to push their agenda is simply evil. And it just proved that these players are simply impatient. That probably explains why the  dev can't be bothered to make a statement here as of now. They are dealing with at least one player or a group of players who lied about the whole situation and tried to discredit them. 

So because you saw this one message, everybody else is now a liar? It must be nice to live in a world that is so black and white and to be so easily swayed. The two situations aren’t mutually exclusive. One PM to one player isn’t exactly effective communication to your player-base, regardless if they were acting in good faith and actually investigating as they so claimed, which remains to be seen. 

HoundofShadow

I find it unbelievable that the CS replied to only one player, despite the fact that lots of reports were made about similar cheating cases.  Either the CS is biased against the rest of the players who filed the report, some players are not honest about the whole situation, or the CS is sleeping on their job.

The player involved mentioned that this exploit was done while the PC was functioning normally and this tally with other players in Reddit talking about how they experience this sudden speeding up without knowing how to replicate the situation. 

From what I see, this is what happened.

1) The cheating/exploit has been happening for some time, and it could be as early as September 2020.

2) The dev/CS have acknowledged the problem and they've been looking into it. They also mentioned that it will take some time to solve the problem.

3) At least one player was boxed and he was unboxed. This player has posted in the forum and it could be the player that The rockett mentioned previously.

3) Those players affected are not happy with the amount of time the developer is taking to solve the problem.


Players affected set a certain timeframe for the developer to solve the problem. However, the dev couldn't do so. Therefore, these players concluded that the Dev is doing nothing about the cheat.


Let's be clear. Doing nothing about an exploit is inaction and it's as good as saying cheating is fine.

However, not being able to solve the problem within a timeframe set by those players for the developers is an expectation problem. 

Bad

Well all people is itching for info here. Its normal by the fact.
Between lies, truths and speculations on this thread can be resumed that possibly there is a hack, devs are working on it time ago and they are taking actions like identifying the users and sandboxing or monitoring them. 
With just all this info I feel more relaxed now.
And for knowing all the others facts or details, of course it would be great, but I think its a theme not possible to know in detail for the player.
Although with more info it is possible to guessing more

Tony_Foot

Dhaunas said:

For the record, I did not use it for better placement, just for quicker initial clears in scl10; my placement in events remained the same as before discovering this exploit.

I read some whoppers in my time but that's an outright heavy weight champion of a fib. You had your baby roster often being P1 in CL10. To the point people went looking to find out why and how. I myself contacted one of your medusa members to find out if they knew what was going on as we go back over 15 years.

I saw people on the discord call you out time and time again for being P1 with your roster, beating 550's over and over. Let's not make this something it wasn't.

You were caught, to save your backside you told them how you did it or you would've been permanently sand boxed. You haven't retired for any other reason than you can't stand being a mid runner with your account after playing cheat mode for so long.

Seriously, congratulations to those that chased this down and didn't give up. Sand-boxing needs to go to, it should be a complete roll back to zero.

Anyway Dhaunas, perhaps you would like to prove me wrong and get a P1 again without cheat mode?

Daredevil217

Tony_Foot said:

Dhaunas said:

For the record, I did not use it for better placement, just for quicker initial clears in scl10; my placement in events remained the same as before discovering this exploit.

I read some whoppers in my time but that's an outright heavy weight champion of a fib. You had your baby roster often being P1 in CL10. To the point people went looking to find out why and how. I myself contacted one of your medusa members to find out if they knew what was going on as we go back over 15 years.

I saw people on the discord call you out time and time again for being P1 with your roster, beating 550's over and over. Let's not make this something it wasn't.

You were caught, to save your backside you told them how you did it or you would've been permanently sand boxed. You haven't retired for any other reason than you can't stand being a mid runner with your account after playing cheat mode for so long.

Seriously, congratulations to those that chased this down and didn't give up. Sand-boxing needs to go to, it should be a complete roll back to zero.

Anyway Dhaunas, perhaps you would like to prove me wrong and get a P1 again without cheat mode?

I don’t have all that backstory, but doesn’t “only” speeding up your initial clears still allow you to place better even if you aren’t hacking the end clears? I mean, you get to start your timers earlier than me so it would make since that if you “only” cheat to save time on the front end, you still are getting better placement than you would’ve otherwise. 

Dhaunas

I get what you are saying. As far as being ranked 1st vs 550s, yes I would, but ONLY after the initial clear.

As far as my initial clear affecting my placements, compared to prior to finding the exploit, no I did not place better than before. Whether you choose to believe it or not, they remained the same. How? Because I would do my final clears earlier than before, not doing it optimally (whereas prior to the exploit, I would do clears optimally). After people started getting angry over my placement in initial clears, I just started doing them about 15 minutes later, rather than when the slices immediately opened, cancelling out the initial point advantage that was gained. The reason for continuing to use the exploit was to reduce the amount of time grinding, as it’s mind numbing. I did flirt with the idea of using it for placement, but never did. Feel free to show me placing first, or anywhere near it, at the end of the events I participated in; it never happened, as I did not try for it.

Prior to the exploit, my placements were  between 15th and 50th. When I used the exploit I placed the same. Whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you, I don’t feel any further need to try and convince anyone, as it’s not the point.

My reason for posting had been to merely point out the misconception that a hack of some sort is involved and that the devs were unconcerned about the issues it creates for other players.

Continue to drag me if you like, I get it. Not the reason I chose to post, though. I would suggest that people avoid it, as it may get the thread shut down; there is important feedback and concerns in this thread that need to be in the forefront.

If that one line is too polarizing, I can edit and remove it if you guys prefer, as it is ultimately not the point and I get that folks won’t believe it, regardless of the truth to it.

SnowcaTT

Dhaunas said:

Just to correct a common misconception I’ve seen repeated in this thread: the method pc players are using is not a hack, outside program, or anything of the sort

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Also, any pc running Windows (10 for sure, maybe earlier versions, too) can do it, regardless of specs. It is not hardware dependent.

If this is the case it would appear that it is not a 'hack' (but as you say, an 'exploit') - some I've heard of are using [something else], but if you're using only your platform and the game app....that's a problem, since it's only using what you must use to play the game. Seems only way to get rid of it would be get rid of that platform.

Or offer that speed to all platforms.

SnowcaTT

Theghouse said:

I don't understand the mindset of some people in here trying to be centrist or playing devil's advocate or just straight up defending exploits.

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There's a clearly documented exploit.  People want the devs to find a way to cut it out of the game.

Totally agree!

And yet, there's another documented exploit (that starts with P) that the devs have been about, that has been suggested would be cut out of the game, and that I've seen the bulk of players defend because 'everybody's doing it' - something that I can tell you bluntly everyone is not doing. It's an exploit that is giving players a major advantage over those who can't do it (sound familiar?).

...It's almost as if the majority of the playerbase can USE that exploit, that not everyone can use, and so therefore it's being glossed over, and dubbed as "fine". It's almost as if the majority of the playerbase can't easily use this new exploit, and so it's getting a bunch of run as a "cheat".

Exploits are exploits. Fair is fair. Everyone should be able to do the same thing - manipulating RNG or speeding up the game - and if these things are out-of-bounds then everyone using them is a cheat. It might be that some want to think of these as "exploits" and not "hacks", and therefore the players using them aren't "cheats" but "savvy app users".

But - exploits are exploits. They ALL need to be sealed up, not allowing anyone to use them to give them an advantage over other players.

The_Boogie

SnowcaTT said:

Totally agree!

And yet, there's another documented exploit (that starts with P) that the devs have been about, that has been suggested would be cut out of the game, and that I've seen the bulk of players defend because 'everybody's doing it' - something that I can tell you bluntly everyone is not doing. It's an exploit that is giving players a major advantage over those who can't do it (sound familiar?).

...It's almost as if the majority of the playerbase can USE that exploit, that not everyone can use, and so therefore it's being glossed over, and dubbed as "fine". It's almost as if the majority of the playerbase can't easily use this new exploit, and so it's getting a bunch of run as a "cheat".

Exploits are exploits. Fair is fair. Everyone should be able to do the same thing - manipulating RNG or speeding up the game - and if these things are out-of-bounds then everyone using them is a cheat. It might be that some want to think of these as "exploits" and not "hacks", and therefore the players using them aren't "cheats" but "savvy app users".

But - exploits are exploits. They ALL need to be sealed up, not allowing anyone to use them to give them an advantage over other players.

Snow are you talking about those 2 minute movie teasers that come on screen before the actual movie starts? Darn it the name escapes me.

ThaRoadWarrior

Cannibalqueen said:

I don’t see how it would be hard to identify users like this tho.

I mean it’s not even just clear times, but also you should be able to detect people who are pinging your server way too fast.  Like even in menu choices and what not. It’s very hard for me to believe that they cannot tell the difference between people using hacks like this and normal players.

I'm not sure the exploit as it's being described would result in noticeably increased server traffic. I would be surprised to discover that the game was doing realtime server transactions and not batching them to send restfully after certain game events have been completed.

KGB

ThaRoadWarrior said:

Cannibalqueen said:

I don’t see how it would be hard to identify users like this tho.

I mean it’s not even just clear times, but also you should be able to detect people who are pinging your server way too fast.  Like even in menu choices and what not. It’s very hard for me to believe that they cannot tell the difference between people using hacks like this and normal players.

I'm not sure the exploit as it's being described would result in noticeably increased server traffic. I would be surprised to discover that the game was doing realtime server transactions and not batching them to send restfully after certain game events have been completed.

You are correct. The game only sends back data one time after a battle completes, never during the battle itself.

KGB

pheregas

Reecoh said:

acescracked said:

What if the station wagon is a Cadillac CTS-V wagon or a merc amg e63s wagon? Oh the Audi RS6 avant too.

Pretty sure DD was referring to the Family Truckster.

Family Truckster is how I refer to my Buick for road trips.

helix72

Positive outcome: I had a personal best placement in Strange Sights and am sitting higher than usual in The Hunt after day 2. Nothing in my play style has changed, my roster hasn't strengthened appreciably, and I have only ever played on the same iPad I've had for over 3 years. While it's only 2 events, my hypothesis is that the cheaters have gotten nervous and are either stopping or cutting back, and my placement is benefitting as a result. I, for one, am thankful this has gotten the attention it has and I hope D3 finds a way to put an end to it once and for all.