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  • ssbledsoe
    ssbledsoe Posts: 52 Match Maker
    LakeStone said:
    Just wanted to chime in here - Any players that you may suspect of cheating or using a hack, please report them to customer service (mpqsupport@d3go.com) and the team can investigate. This is the best method as we take any uses of cheats and/or hacks seriously and will mark those accounts as cheaters if found to be using them.
    @LakeStone would you be willing to weigh in on the issue brought forth on this specific thread raised by @helix72 ?

    These specific questions from the OP:
    I'm perplexed. If the game is able to run faster on one device, platform, or software (e.g. iOS vs Android, PC vs mobile device), why is that not an allowed forum discussion topic? Can someone point me to the forum rule that makes that discussion a violation? I've read the posted rules and just don't see it.
  • Prince_Raoul
    Prince_Raoul Posts: 23 Just Dropped In
    acescracked said:
    Prince_Raoul said:
    When I spend money I get something in return.

    I spend $9.99 on VIP I get a daily reward and faster healing. The end. 

    I support the game with my money but unlike you don’t believe it gives me a right to any placement or reward. 

    Why are you so cemented in this high horse position? Nobody is saying "I spend money get special treatment". They are just asking that a speed hack where the game shouldn't perform considerably differently be fixed or removed.

    You've made it some kind of burn the elites discussion. 
    Look at the names in this discussion.

    Then go look at the alliance leaderboard and compare.

    Almost every name is at or near the top of the optimal curve in PvE.

    All of them have a roster that looks like they have spent their share of money to get it. 

    The players upset about this are the elite spenders.

    Ask yourself why?

    Because someone else who they deem as not having spent enough has nudged them from their entitled placement. 
    So they are running around trying to get a middle of the road player like me to make their case. 
    Guess what? Who finishes in the t100 won’t change my game experience one tiny bit. 
    They can’t even have the strength of will to stop spending money. I found an alliance called Sale Buy on the pvp alliance leaderboard. 
    Of course this is the richest 1% of MPQ trying to convince everyone else of the purity of their cause. 
    After it has been submitted to the devs. After these players continue to nudge them from their entitlements.  They didn’t get the result they wanted and now they want the weight of public opinion on their side. 
    I read these forums every day but these guys act like they own the game. 
    I decided to let them know they don’t.
  • Prince_Raoul
    Prince_Raoul Posts: 23 Just Dropped In
    Why should I care? You said it yourself it only is an issue at the “top level”. 

    How many of those are free to play? Only a few i will bet. 
    This is because you turned over all your “research” and the devs came to different conclusion. 
    Now you expect someone who plays for fun to pick up a chant so a bunch of entitled players can get back their rightful placement. 
    I play this game every day and I pay $9.99 every 28 days because of that. 
    Only you who are in the Sale Buy alliance care about this. 
  • The_Boogie
    The_Boogie Posts: 25 Just Dropped In
    edited March 2021
    Prince_Raoul said:

    This is because you turned over all your “research” and the devs came to different conclusion. 

    Devs didn't come to a different conclusion. Devs didn't come to ANY conclusion, thus far. I suck at pve, This problem doesn't really affect me. But its got some of my friends ready to quit.

    Once again, no "elitism" none of the stuff you keep saying trying to trigger people - its just a desire that D3 enforce the rules as published.
  • supergarv
    supergarv Posts: 410 Mover and Shaker
    Easy fix:

    Make two brackets (or SCL11) where in one speed is unlimited. Everyone who wants it goes there, everyone who wants to take a nap while fighting kindless ones stays where they are. Best of both worlds.

    I would love to play at 300% the speed. I find the slowness of the game a bad experience.
  • The rockett
    The rockett Posts: 2,016 Chairperson of the Boards
    Prince_Raoul said:
    Why should I care? You said it yourself it only is an issue at the “top level”. 

    How many of those are free to play? Only a few i will bet. 
    This is because you turned over all your “research” and the devs came to different conclusion. 
    Now you expect someone who plays for fun to pick up a chant so a bunch of entitled players can get back their rightful placement. 
    I play this game every day and I pay $9.99 every 28 days because of that. 
    Only you who are in the Sale Buy alliance care about this. 
    Money spent has nothing to do with it.  It is about enforcing the rules that Demi and D3 have set up.   They have these in place for a reason.   For those of us that play on the higher end, it is also about integrity of the game.   

    You can be one of the biggest whales in the game or FTP, doesn’t matter.  This is an issue for the way the game structure is set up for winning at PVE.  One of the best PVE players has spent very little but darn good.  
    Again, if you don’t care, that’s fine. You do you, but that doesn’t change the fact that this is an issue and the player base will keep bringing this up until this is resolved.   
  • Prince_Raoul
    Prince_Raoul Posts: 23 Just Dropped In
    Daredevil217 said:
    Prince_Raoul said:
    Why should I care? You said it yourself it only is an issue at the “top level”. 

    How many of those are free to play? Only a few i will bet. 
    This is because you turned over all your “research” and the devs came to different conclusion. 
    Now you expect someone who plays for fun to pick up a chant so a bunch of entitled players can get back their rightful placement. 
    I play this game every day and I pay $9.99 every 28 days because of that. 
    Only you who are in the Sale Buy alliance care about this. 
    Let’s break this down. Either:

    A ) The developers are aware of these speed hacks, do not consider it cheating and have ruled it “fair play” (as you say) since nothing has been done. And thus, we should be able to discuss it on the forums. If it’s a normal part of the game and not considered cheating, it should be open for discussion and no one should be banned. 

    or

    B ) It is in fact considered cheating. In which case, just like in any game like this, those who are cheating should be banned from the game. Which is the stance the majority of players you are opposing are taking. 

    So I’ll make it really simple for you and ask, which one is it, A or B?
    Based on everything said it sounds like A. 
  • jp1
    jp1 Posts: 1,081 Chairperson of the Boards
    Prince_Raoul said:
    Daredevil217 said:
    Prince_Raoul said:
    Why should I care? You said it yourself it only is an issue at the “top level”. 

    How many of those are free to play? Only a few i will bet. 
    This is because you turned over all your “research” and the devs came to different conclusion. 
    Now you expect someone who plays for fun to pick up a chant so a bunch of entitled players can get back their rightful placement. 
    I play this game every day and I pay $9.99 every 28 days because of that. 
    Only you who are in the Sale Buy alliance care about this. 
    Let’s break this down. Either:

    A ) The developers are aware of these speed hacks, do not consider it cheating and have ruled it “fair play” (as you say) since nothing has been done. And thus, we should be able to discuss it on the forums. If it’s a normal part of the game and not considered cheating, it should be open for discussion and no one should be banned. 

    or

    B ) It is in fact considered cheating. In which case, just like in any game like this, those who are cheating should be banned from the game. Which is the stance the majority of players you are opposing are taking. 

    So I’ll make it really simple for you and ask, which one is it, A or B?
    Based on everything said it sounds like A. 
    😂 

    Really can’t do anything but laugh at this point. What exactly is YOUR point? Why are you participating so adamantly in this thread? Why are you virtue signaling as if your level of spending is noble and acceptable but that of a whale is somehow worthy of being vilified? 

    You have a lot of interest in the affairs of other people. 
    Here is one for you. Hypothetically, player A spends 10k a year or more on MPQ. You, player B spend $120 on MPQ yearly. 
    Who do you think they would rather quit?

    They need to cater to clientele that will drop dollars. The same as any business. The model affords the opportunity of those who can’t afford or don’t want to spend like that can still enjoy the game. Best of both worlds due to trickle down economics. Get it?
  • Prince_Raoul
    Prince_Raoul Posts: 23 Just Dropped In
    edited March 2021
    I did acknowledge that in a response above.

    How many of those are free to play? Only few I’ll bet.

    Thank you for confirming that statement.

    [redacted]
    You have a blessed day too!

    Mod note: Inappropriate comment removed- fight4thedream
  • Prince_Raoul
    Prince_Raoul Posts: 23 Just Dropped In
    edited March 2021
    jp1 said:
    Prince_Raoul said:
    Daredevil217 said:
    Prince_Raoul said:
    Why should I care? You said it yourself it only is an issue at the “top level”. 

    How many of those are free to play? Only a few i will bet. 
    This is because you turned over all your “research” and the devs came to different conclusion. 
    Now you expect someone who plays for fun to pick up a chant so a bunch of entitled players can get back their rightful placement. 
    I play this game every day and I pay $9.99 every 28 days because of that. 
    Only you who are in the Sale Buy alliance care about this. 
    Let’s break this down. Either:

    A ) The developers are aware of these speed hacks, do not consider it cheating and have ruled it “fair play” (as you say) since nothing has been done. And thus, we should be able to discuss it on the forums. If it’s a normal part of the game and not considered cheating, it should be open for discussion and no one should be banned. 

    or

    B ) It is in fact considered cheating. In which case, just like in any game like this, those who are cheating should be banned from the game. Which is the stance the majority of players you are opposing are taking. 

    So I’ll make it really simple for you and ask, which one is it, A or B?
    Based on everything said it sounds like A. 
    😂 

    Really can’t do anything but laugh at this point. What exactly is YOUR point? Why are you participating so adamantly in this thread? Why are you virtue signaling as if your level of spending is noble and acceptable but that of a whale is somehow worthy of being vilified? 

    You have a lot of interest in the affairs of other people. 
    Here is one for you. Hypothetically, player A spends 10k a year or more on MPQ. You, player B spend $120 on MPQ yearly. 
    Who do you think they would rather quit?

    They need to cater to clientele that will drop dollars. The same as any business. The model affords the opportunity of those who can’t afford or don’t want to spend like that can still enjoy the game. Best of both worlds due to trickle down economics. Get it?
    Fine let’s take your [redacted] example?
    How many $10k players are there. 100 starks per year?
    Let’s go with 20?
    How many players at the lower levels spend more on a daily basis? That all adds up too. Keep the masses happy and your cash flow remains consistent.
    Cater to the elite buyers who will eventually get tired and leave anyway easy decision.
    [redacted]

    **Mod note: Removed inappropriate comments. - fight4thedream
  • acescracked
    acescracked Posts: 1,197 Chairperson of the Boards
    Prince_Raoul said:
    I did acknowledge that in a response above.

    How many of those are free to play? Only few I’ll bet.

    Thank you for confirming that statement.

    Spending more time on reading comprehension will take you further than being good at a match-3 game. 

    You have a blessed day too!
    Only a few is *your* assumption. Prove it.

    Just cause your good at trolling doesn't make your assumptions correct. You rage like this at everyone who has "nicer" things than you by working or spending for it?
  • jp1
    jp1 Posts: 1,081 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2021
    Prince_Raoul said:
    This is where every pay to win player ends up, acting superior because they spend money on virtual goods. 

    Bravo! Slow golf clap, take a bow!
    You didn’t answer a single one of my questions. Just spewed more garbage. I’m not acting superior to anyone.

    I respect the decisions of all players to make their own financial choices. No need to make it an us/them situation...that’s small minded.

    Again, what are you actually arguing for?

    Where are these masses? Because from where I’m sitting, it looks like you’re alone chief.
  • Prince_Raoul
    Prince_Raoul Posts: 23 Just Dropped In
    You think this forum is representative of the player population of MPQ?

    Is any forum of any game?

    I did answer you question catering to 20 or so big spenders or hundreds of thousands smaller players is a no-brainer. One which the devs have seem to come to despite how much you want it to be different. 
  • jp1
    jp1 Posts: 1,081 Chairperson of the Boards
    Can we have an official word on the ban? Just exposing the exploit? 

    If it’s justification is more than that, it would be a good look to let us know that.

  • JHawkInc
    JHawkInc Posts: 2,605 Chairperson of the Boards
    I would assume the reason these threads get removed (and likely the same for any ramifications against users in these threads) is because they're full of insults, name calling, and finger pointing, and really don't need to exist in the first place.

    If there's a problem, report it. This thread doesn't help in that process, it doesn't help in gathering evidence (which would be against the rules on the forums anyways for identifying individual players), and it doesn't help in reaching a solution (because that's all on the devs).

    All it is really doing is riling people up and causing fights. This thread is no different (even down to the petty "abuse the Flag button to attack someone you don't like" tactic; if it isn't something like literal spam that the userbase can suppress because it is universally bad, don't waste time on hitting Spam/Abuse, use the actual Report feature and explain why, because that one is far more useful to mods).

    And given that it keeps happening, with the same people, I'd wager most know better by now and keep doing it anyways.

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