R192: Champion Rewards Updates

shardwick

havoks said:

shardwick said:

@IceIX So when this goes live if we have one character selected for each tier then those specific characters are going to get a ridiculous amount of shards, right? Also, will this be going live after Wolfsbane and MODOK are in tokens?

The shards will be for specific characters, not your favorited character. 

Ahhh that makes more sense then. Though now I'm sad that I won't be getting a deluge of 5* shards to put towards my 1/5/1 Okoye.

tupacboy

Talk about early Christmas!

Chrynos1989

IceIX said:

Twysta said:

Will this retroactively give us all the rewards for characters we've sold previously too - that are no longer on our roster?

No. Like other previous retroactive rewards, they need to be in your roster to receive. So if you've been farming 2-Stars for the last 4 years, you're not going to suddenly get the pay day of the century.

That made me chuckle

TriggerTime

It would have been nice to get some more notice on this, even if only a teaser post as with the shards feature.

I've only gone and recently sold almost all my max 3 star champs to fund buying from the shard store... 

turbomoose

#IcelX you should have donned a red hat and shouted hohoho at the end 🙂

I will need a lot more iso to complete my 5*s when this kicks in next week 

you definitely earned your money with this update , must have taken you hours to type out 

Xmas has come early 🙂

DAZ0273

I'll just say wow and thanks.

Zirtak_the_Second

IceIX said:

And it couldn't really come from Iso in all cases, as the values there are already very low. Although Iso value is another conversation to have...

That's a conversation I would like to have! 

HoundofShadow

An awesome way to end the year of 2019. Thank you to the team!

For those who wanting to know the trade-off:
_____________
For 2-stars
_____________ 

Traded: 500 iso-8, 60 HP, two 3* covers and 1 Heroic tokens
for:
two colourless character-specific covers and 1 Mighty Token

_____________
For 3-stars
_____________ 
Group 1: only gives primary 4* covers
Traded: two 4* covers, 350 HP and 14 CPs
for:
2 Mighty Tokens and 2 colourless character-specific covers

Group 2: gives primary and secondary 4* covers
Traded: two 4* covers, 11,000 iso-8, 350 HP, 14 CPs
for
600 shards of secondary 4*, 2 Mighty Tokens and two colourless-specific covers.

_____________
For 4-stars
_____________
Traded: 62 CP and 5 specific 5* covers
for
5 colourless 5* cover

CHRISJN

Thanks d3 for this huge updates.. Players have been clamouring for this, especially for the 5* feeders. Good job! 

omen

That's amazing Ice! Shards make a lot more sense now. This is a real improvement and just in time for Christmas. Thank you! 

y4747

lots of good news here, with some tradeoffs, as is usual.


4*->5*
all 5*s get feeders: awesome! great example of something the community has asked for and will now get. thank you!

@IceIX followup to that - does this mean newly released 5*s will get feeders as a matter of course? say, when they enter latest, or even the classic pool? pretty please?

specific covers become shards:
tradeoff - lose quite a bit of cp and HP from 4* rewards to make those covers colorless. can either be good or bad depending on your 5* situation... if i had a classic 5* at 9/10/0 i'd gladly pay that to have it finished at lvl 320 instead of 360. and if i favorite them and get some shards, it could happen even sooner.
if the 5* is either champed or very low-covered, this is probably a net loss.


3*->4*
secondary fed added to 3* champ rewards - a great way to deal with the #4*s>>#3*s issue. and they replace iso rewards, which is great.
tradeoff - an issue here is that the secondary only gives 1.5 covers-worth of shards over lifespan, but if you're 3* farming you won't care, and even if you're not it's way better than iso. this is a win in my book.

specific covers become shards - same as above. a slice of players in a particular situation will love it, for most(?) it is a net loss.

this really reminds me of shards vs. BH - the covers become colorless, but you have a net loss in rate. as i said there, i like it overall, but you could have easily removed the penalty without breaking the system (i.e. just put the shard rewards instead of iso and not hp/cp, or even replaced the covers with a full cover-worth of shards). it wouldn't have nudged the economy to any significant degree, and it would have been way better received.

tiomono

The loss of cp and hp stings. Not sure why we have to lose something to get this update but overall looks like a good change. I am loving the feeder bandaid being ripped off finally. Let the feeders flow.

tiomono

@IceIX

Is the first rewarded cover a specific color still or will it be colorless? Could it be changed to the equivalent shards for a full cover in the tier if it is not colorless to offset the loss of hp and cp that the later levels remove?

HoundofShadow

Based on the table, there's a trend of trading resources for colourless covers.

Since there isn't any tradeoff for the first cover, it should be a specific colour.

abenness

Tony_Foot said:

I don't understand why that first cover at 280 isn't just 500 shards. People do have 5/5/2 for example on 5*, why leave the 280 at a specific colour?

Having a specific coloured cover is probably there for the younger 4* player to put their first ever cover for that 5* onto their vine, where it will expire in 14 days unless they buy a roster slot.
If it was shards, which don’t expire, less drive to spend HP.
I think this is something we can live with. It will be frustrating for me too, as I have a 5/2/2 Cable for example, already with a saved cover.

captainheath

I think the first one is a cover because you have to roster the character first.  Has anyone tried to roster a character through shards?

xavierixeq

If I missed this being mentioned... Sorry.  Just wondering what happens to the shards for characters already champ maxed?
This is more for the retro rewards but also curious for the spill over happening during cover pickups.. Shard Overflow so to speak?

HoundofShadow

You can save up to 9999 shards. You can go to "Stats and More" page of that character to recruit another dup of him if you meet the min. number of shards.

ThaRoadWarrior

@IceIX any particular reason Elektr4 is still being double-fed by 3lektra and Dar3devil?

Bryan Lambert

One thing I haven’t seen addressed in the tradeoff discussion - the higher percentage of 4* pulls we’ll be getting from the shift from Heroic to Mighty tokens. I think that’ll offset the HP/CP loss somewhat. 

I will say, this feels like a much more accurate valuation of the colorless nature of shards than the BH -> shard tradeoff was, partly because this doesn’t involve any decision-making and unfortunate consequences from the players.