***** Carnage (Prophet of Knull) *****

1246711

Comments

  • Daredevil217Daredevil217 Posts: 2,408 Chairperson of the Boards
    In the world of Bishop teams as far as the eye can see, I don't hesitate attacking Gritty teams without a Bishop anymore. Especially if they're just a low level Kitty. Make those glass jaw floaters regret basing their climbs around a weak character.
    While I agree that Gritty isn’t a “problem”, I do see them more than any other combo in pick 2 still. So a character somewhat designed to counter them and who plays well against them is a nice addition to the roster. Problem is this character doesn’t do that particularly well though it seems it may have been part of their design niche. 
    wymtime said:
    This character will fit in with 5* DD depending on how big his strike tiles and attack lies will be.   If the strike tiles are strong and the red does big enough damage these two will do work early in PVP.  With the attack tiles you could see 13k+ damage per turn by round 4.  Remember a 1/2 health DD will be dropping strike tiles worth 800 damage per tun double dipping on attack tiles.

    on defense kitty or doom would be better pairings but this character does have potential if the strike tiles are strong enough and if the red hits hard enough.

    I’m not sure if you’re aware, but I mentioned Daredevil and Doom as potential partners on page 1. They will definitely make for “fun teams” but I don’t really see him moving the needle for most players. I think most could skip and not bat an eye. 

  • wymtimewymtime Posts: 3,169 Chairperson of the Boards
    In the world of Bishop teams as far as the eye can see, I don't hesitate attacking Gritty teams without a Bishop anymore. Especially if they're just a low level Kitty. Make those glass jaw floaters regret basing their climbs around a weak character.
    While I agree that Gritty isn’t a “problem”, I do see them more than any other combo in pick 2 still. So a character somewhat designed to counter them and who plays well against them is a nice addition to the roster. Problem is this character doesn’t do that particularly well though it seems it may have been part of their design niche. 
    wymtime said:
    This character will fit in with 5* DD depending on how big his strike tiles and attack lies will be.   If the strike tiles are strong and the red does big enough damage these two will do work early in PVP.  With the attack tiles you could see 13k+ damage per turn by round 4.  Remember a 1/2 health DD will be dropping strike tiles worth 800 damage per tun double dipping on attack tiles.

    on defense kitty or doom would be better pairings but this character does have potential if the strike tiles are strong enough and if the red hits hard enough.

    I’m not sure if you’re aware, but I mentioned Daredevil and Doom as potential partners on page 1. They will definitely make for “fun teams” but I don’t really see him moving the needle for most players. I think most could skip and not bat an eye. 

    I did see your post about DD, I just think too many people are looking at Kitty Pride and rocket and groot and not looking at what this character could be good with.  One issue with DD is he can be slow and needs a partner to do some damage while he tanks.  Carnage will allow DD to tank some colors but also drop back below 50% health.  To keep going.  I think this pair will be viable up to around 800 then need to switch to Thor Okoye or gritty kitty.  In my mind that is a win in this meta and I think can be more reliable in climbing than gritty.  Gritty is mainly for defense to float, but with Carnage’s health pool he should save on some health packs and DD will be a great offensively partner and either Doom, JJ, or Kitty will provide defensive deterants.  

    Yes I am assuming it is carnage 
  • MegaBeeMegaBee Posts: 198 Tile Toppler
    Today's the day, right?
  • Twomp_thaDJTwomp_thaDJ Posts: 226 Tile Toppler
    Wish it was Omega Red.. but with absolute carnage still running in the comics pretty sure it’s carnage.
  • WarbringaWarbringa Posts: 1,048 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 21 October 2019, 18:14
    Still waiting for more 5* decent active blue powers......
  • leoperez90leoperez90 Posts: 45 Just Dropped In
    How is it that 4* land is getting the better characters? 
    All the new 5* that we are getting are not as good or cant even be considered as competitive characters? 

     Am I not seeing something here? 
  • blankcanvasblankcanvas Posts: 176 Tile Toppler
    How is it that 4* land is getting the better characters? 
    All the new 5* that we are getting are not as good or cant even be considered as competitive characters? 

     Am I not seeing something here? 
    I wouldn't underestimate the current 3 in latest. @Daredevil217 has written a brilliant summary of all 3 in the general channel.
  • ThaRoadWarriorThaRoadWarrior Posts: 3,405 Chairperson of the Boards
    Probably been awhile since we had a stronger Latest 3 than this, but I don’t know that they are truly meta defining or anything
  • jp1jp1 Posts: 512 Critical Contributor
    Probably been awhile since we had a stronger Latest 3 than this, but I don’t know that they are truly meta defining or anything
    Can’t comment on the Professor just yet. Storm and Iceman are on par with like Hela and GED.
  • OmegasedOmegased Posts: 41 Just Dropped In
    How is it that 4* land is getting the better characters? 
    All the new 5* that we are getting are not as good or cant even be considered as competitive characters? 

     Am I not seeing something here? 
    I dunno, the current three are pretty amazing. Prof5 is an absolute beast of a character. His Purple is SO versatile, (nuke, targeted tile destruction, attack tiles for kitty, AOE, Heal, board shuffle in that order of usefulness) are all VERY powerful. His blue power can take down a 4star character in 1 match if you're lucky.

    5torm can do some great damage, and her board control certainly helps fuel Prof5s blue attack.

    Iceman's blue - i mean, I can stun someone for 11+ turns. that's certifiably insane. esp when used with 5torm to help clear out other colours on the board.

  • Daredevil217Daredevil217 Posts: 2,408 Chairperson of the Boards
    jp1 said:
    Probably been awhile since we had a stronger Latest 3 than this, but I don’t know that they are truly meta defining or anything
    Can’t comment on the Professor just yet. Storm and Iceman are on par with like Hela and GED.
    I think Storm is a tier below, and the decision to chase her versus the new 5* is going to be a tough one.

    I will say that I believe Jessica stood in her own tier of not QUITE meta (Thor, Okoye, Kitty, Thanos), but better than everyone who isn't meta for a while (maybe you could put Daredevil/Black Bolt there, but Jessica was definitely above them and just below the top tier).  I'm ultimately okay with more "tier 2" characters (Professor, Jessica, Iceman, Daredevil, Hela, Doom, Black Bolt) being created (less Rescue, Wasp, Kingpin please), because anything "meta-defining" at this point would have to be turn-0 victories or a ridiculously broken to face on defense 5* (which we have some of those in the 4* tier, so I do not put it past them).

    As I'm writing this, something just popped in my head (sorry if it is off-topic), but what if they created a character that did random passive damage if the blue/purple/black AP tiles on the board hit a certain threshold.  They could give this character a power that put those colors on the board.  As Thor saps the red/yellow/green from the board he'd actually hurt his own team and if run at half health, could possibly kill himself.  I guess really hard counters to the current meta could also be "meta shaking" like if Sabretooth was a 5.  Look at that, brought it back on topic.
  • jp1jp1 Posts: 512 Critical Contributor
    Storm is definitely better than Cable or Loki, so it depends on how many tiers we are talking about here. 

    I place Rescue above Cable as well to be honest. Not sure why she gets such a bad rap, she is a great third for Gritty.

    I think if we are talking about trash, mediocre, good, great. Storm scrapes in on the low end of good for her self acceleration and board shake.
  • abennessabenness Posts: 154 Tile Toppler
    jp1 said:
    Storm is definitely better than Cable or Loki, so it depends on how many tiers we are talking about here. 

    I place Rescue above Cable as well to be honest. Not sure why she gets such a bad rap, she is a great third for Gritty.

    I think if we are talking about trash, mediocre, good, great. Storm scrapes in on the low end of good for her self acceleration and board shake.
    Rescue's red worked very well with Gritty offensively in pve, but can you imagine fighting them in pvp, and the AI decides to fire Rescue's "Your Shield", essentially crippling her team's offence?  I would laugh...
  • jp1jp1 Posts: 512 Critical Contributor
    abenness said:
    jp1 said:
    Storm is definitely better than Cable or Loki, so it depends on how many tiers we are talking about here. 

    I place Rescue above Cable as well to be honest. Not sure why she gets such a bad rap, she is a great third for Gritty.

    I think if we are talking about trash, mediocre, good, great. Storm scrapes in on the low end of good for her self acceleration and board shake.
    Rescue's red worked very well with Gritty offensively in pve, but can you imagine fighting them in pvp, and the AI decides to fire Rescue's "Your Shield", essentially crippling her team's offence?  I would laugh...
    Yeah, she isn’t great in the hands of AI. I think it is pretty nice to be able to switch to a heavy defense with healing if needed though, if you had Rockets blue out, that could become a problem quickly. 

    She isn’t top tier or anything, I just find it odd that she is considered trash like Wa5p as much as she is.
  • Daredevil217Daredevil217 Posts: 2,408 Chairperson of the Boards
    jp1 said:
    Storm is definitely better than Cable or Loki, so it depends on how many tiers we are talking about here. 

    I place Rescue above Cable as well to be honest. Not sure why she gets such a bad rap, she is a great third for Gritty.

    I think if we are talking about trash, mediocre, good, great. Storm scrapes in on the low end of good for her self acceleration and board shake.
    I agree it really depends on how many tiers you think exist, but I put Storm alongside Parker, Strange, Goblin, IW Cap, Hawkeye (no Worthy), Loki and Cable (both of whom I admittedly may be higher on than you... I play Loki especially a ton). Without numbers, “insert character here” feels like they fit with this group as well. But I’m okay with others seeing it differently. 


  • BuzzedLightbeerBuzzedLightbeer Posts: 36 Just Dropped In
    jp1 said:
    Storm is definitely better than Cable or Loki, so it depends on how many tiers we are talking about here. 

    I place Rescue above Cable as well to be honest. Not sure why she gets such a bad rap, she is a great third for Gritty.

    I think if we are talking about trash, mediocre, good, great. Storm scrapes in on the low end of good for her self acceleration and board shake.
    I agree it really depends on how many tiers you think exist, but I put Storm alongside Parker, Strange, Goblin, IW Cap, Hawkeye (no Worthy), Loki and Cable (both of whom I admittedly may be higher on than you... I play Loki especially a ton). Without numbers, “insert character here” feels like they fit with this group as well. But I’m okay with others seeing it differently. 


    Shouldn’t we know definitely who “insert character here” is by now, and more on their numbers?  
  • jameshjamesh Posts: 1,445 Chairperson of the Boards
    How is it that 4* land is getting the better characters? 
    All the new 5* that we are getting are not as good or cant even be considered as competitive characters? 

     Am I not seeing something here? 

    Note that the new 4* characters that 5* players are complaining about probably wouldn't be as threatening if they were scaled up to 5* levels. You wouldn't see anywhere near as many complaints about Bishop or Captain America if their passives didn't trigger off of simple match damage for these players.

    They'd still be great characters, but you could treat battles against them as a puzzle, as happens if you face them with a 4* team.

  • jp1jp1 Posts: 512 Critical Contributor
    How you like to play is for sure the defining characteristic for how we might rate characters differently.

    I am not, and probably never will be a top 10 player in PVE and certainly not PVP. My concern for an extra few seconds here and there is so much different from someone who is looking to chase a better spot in top 5. So, for me characters like Storm are better than others might see her. I also have a 4* lvl 200 vintage shield on her which improves her substantially for PVE. I know not everyone is going to have the support though.

    I think it’s a great idea (as you did) to state your motives with a given character when you rate them here on the forums. This way someone who might be looking for someone that is fun to play, functional solo, and has some synergy with others won’t miss out if they aren’t competitive players.

    I agree, for the most part, that she will never be replacing my Meta characters as a choice in any aspect of the game. I may choose to take her along though to break up the monotonous nature of the grind.

    Play style matters so much too. As @Daredevil217 pointed out, he values Cable and Loki more than I do. I won’t use them unless forced to because they (especially Cable) are not fun in their mechanics and offer me less than some of my better 4*s in pretty much every way. Maybe I’m missing the boat on them, but it’s such an annoyance to bring them out unless they are boosted that I just don’t bother.
  • KhanwulfKhanwulf Posts: 103 Tile Toppler
    So... I'd appreciate practical advice: to cash in hoard or not for [Carnag5]?

    Is it better to dump the accumulation now before he moves into Latest?

    I know the quick answer is "it's too early to tell"--but part of the equation is whether the current Latest are significantly valuable. In my case I have zero PX and a handful of Iceman and Storm covers... enough that when boosted they are useful for 4* PVE-land.

    --Khanwulf
Sign In or Register to comment.