randomhero1090 said: DAZ0273 said: randomhero1090 said: DAZ0273 said: by I got the "Rare Avengers" offer. I already have a max champed Steve and I wouldn't really say that 3*Widow and Hawkguy are particularly hard to come by.Very strange offer for players who have been playing a few years, the Deadpool one sounds more intriguing. How about just have both offers out there for all. Let the sale happen. Run you analytics later. Can't be that hard to pull stats on the players who buy the bundle, prior buy history, crash it all together and look for trends. Agreed but then I really don't understand the metrics of A B testing. You segment the base. Split those segments into 2 groups. Give each group a different offer. See how they sell. For example, a segment would be say players with the game less then 30 days who've bought the starter offer.
DAZ0273 said: randomhero1090 said: DAZ0273 said: by I got the "Rare Avengers" offer. I already have a max champed Steve and I wouldn't really say that 3*Widow and Hawkguy are particularly hard to come by.Very strange offer for players who have been playing a few years, the Deadpool one sounds more intriguing. How about just have both offers out there for all. Let the sale happen. Run you analytics later. Can't be that hard to pull stats on the players who buy the bundle, prior buy history, crash it all together and look for trends. Agreed but then I really don't understand the metrics of A B testing.
randomhero1090 said: DAZ0273 said: by I got the "Rare Avengers" offer. I already have a max champed Steve and I wouldn't really say that 3*Widow and Hawkguy are particularly hard to come by.Very strange offer for players who have been playing a few years, the Deadpool one sounds more intriguing. How about just have both offers out there for all. Let the sale happen. Run you analytics later. Can't be that hard to pull stats on the players who buy the bundle, prior buy history, crash it all together and look for trends.
DAZ0273 said: by I got the "Rare Avengers" offer. I already have a max champed Steve and I wouldn't really say that 3*Widow and Hawkguy are particularly hard to come by.Very strange offer for players who have been playing a few years, the Deadpool one sounds more intriguing.
JHawkInc said: This seems like an odd topic to get bent out of shape over.They're trying to offer more bundles because players like them. They're trying to target different bundles to different players based on their spending habits. Players can have access to both over time (that means it's NOT A/B testing, by definition). They're deliberately spacing these bundles out so that people who budget can get several bundles over time, instead of having several available at once and being forced to choose. And they're setting a precedent where, over time, they could have a dozen or more bundles to offer, and can cherry pick which ones they provide based on what's best suited to the player in question (good for the player, AND good for the game if people spend more)How is any of that a bad thing?Oh, and the Rare Avengers pack is perfectly named. It contains three characters, all Avengers, of the Rare rarity. They're 3*s. Rares. Not 1's or 2's (Common/Uncommon) or 4's/5's (Legendary/Epic). Go to your roster, pick any 3-star character, and it says they're Rare, right over the name. It's not double-speak, it's you not being familiar with game terms.
jamesh said: randomhero1090 said: DAZ0273 said: randomhero1090 said: DAZ0273 said: by I got the "Rare Avengers" offer. I already have a max champed Steve and I wouldn't really say that 3*Widow and Hawkguy are particularly hard to come by.Very strange offer for players who have been playing a few years, the Deadpool one sounds more intriguing. How about just have both offers out there for all. Let the sale happen. Run you analytics later. Can't be that hard to pull stats on the players who buy the bundle, prior buy history, crash it all together and look for trends. Agreed but then I really don't understand the metrics of A B testing. You segment the base. Split those segments into 2 groups. Give each group a different offer. See how they sell. For example, a segment would be say players with the game less then 30 days who've bought the starter offer. That wouldn't be a very useful AB test though, since you've got two variables at play: the type of the offer and the segment of the user base.If you're testing two offers or two prices for an offer, you want the demographics of the A and B groups to be as close to the demographics of the whole user base as possible. That gives you more certainty that any observed differences between the groups are due to the different offers.
HoundofShadow said: Just in case anyone doesn't remember what the starter pack includes, visit this link to refresh your memory:https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/70133/marvel-puzzle-quest-starter-pack-updated-1-25-18#latestStarter Pack = "Geared towards players just starting out, or in the early 2 to 3-Star transition phases, this offer contains covers for some of players' favorite 2-Star and 3-Star characters."I'm not sure what that outburst is about because it doesn't make sense. The starter pack was geared towards newbies and the bundle for Rare Avengers are targeted at those still in 3* land. Basically, there are four group of players:1) players who bought only the starter pack (Rare Avengers offer)2) players who didn't buy the starter pack but bought others (DP offer)3) players who bought both (will see both Rare Avengers and DP offer, but Rare Avengers appear first)4) players who bought nothing (see no offer)After purchasing DP, you will see a series of new offers.
DAZ0273 said: JHawkInc said: This seems like an odd topic to get bent out of shape over.They're trying to offer more bundles because players like them. They're trying to target different bundles to different players based on their spending habits. Players can have access to both over time (that means it's NOT A/B testing, by definition). They're deliberately spacing these bundles out so that people who budget can get several bundles over time, instead of having several available at once and being forced to choose. And they're setting a precedent where, over time, they could have a dozen or more bundles to offer, and can cherry pick which ones they provide based on what's best suited to the player in question (good for the player, AND good for the game if people spend more)How is any of that a bad thing?Oh, and the Rare Avengers pack is perfectly named. It contains three characters, all Avengers, of the Rare rarity. They're 3*s. Rares. Not 1's or 2's (Common/Uncommon) or 4's/5's (Legendary/Epic). Go to your roster, pick any 3-star character, and it says they're Rare, right over the name. It's not double-speak, it's you not being familiar with game terms. I don't really have an issue with this apart from using the Starter Pack as a deciding factor in what offers are shown. Here is why:1.) At the time it was offered, it was clearly the best value pack the game had offered and so that was a big enticement for players to spend based upon what had come before. The forums reflected that many purchases were made based upon perceived value for money vs what else had been available and not necessarily because a particular player needed the contents. 2.) Unfortunately, the packs that followed which escalated in price came thick and fast with no even spacing between. Players such as myself who were VIP and then bought the SP just couldn't justify another purchase in such a short period. That doesn't reflect non-willingness to buy but simple spending within comfortable margins on what is purely entertainment.So whilst the data on who purchased is valuable, it is also probably wildly skewed by other factors at that time, not least being that it was something fairly unprecedented. I can see the benefit in not swamping us with offers but I also think that using that particular historical purchase as a jumping on factor is flawed.Hey ho, so it goes.
randomhero1090 said: DAZ0273 said: I got the "Rare Avengers" offer. I already have a max champed Steve and I wouldn't really say that 3*Widow and Hawkguy are particularly hard to come by.Very strange offer for players who have been playing a few years, the Deadpool one sounds more intriguing. How about just have both offers out there for all. Let the sale happen. Run you analytics later. Can't be that hard to pull stats on the players who buy the bundle, prior buy history, crash it all together and look for trends.
DAZ0273 said: I got the "Rare Avengers" offer. I already have a max champed Steve and I wouldn't really say that 3*Widow and Hawkguy are particularly hard to come by.Very strange offer for players who have been playing a few years, the Deadpool one sounds more intriguing.
Spudgutter said: DAZ0273 said: JHawkInc said: This seems like an odd topic to get bent out of shape over.They're trying to offer more bundles because players like them. They're trying to target different bundles to different players based on their spending habits. Players can have access to both over time (that means it's NOT A/B testing, by definition). They're deliberately spacing these bundles out so that people who budget can get several bundles over time, instead of having several available at once and being forced to choose. And they're setting a precedent where, over time, they could have a dozen or more bundles to offer, and can cherry pick which ones they provide based on what's best suited to the player in question (good for the player, AND good for the game if people spend more)How is any of that a bad thing?Oh, and the Rare Avengers pack is perfectly named. It contains three characters, all Avengers, of the Rare rarity. They're 3*s. Rares. Not 1's or 2's (Common/Uncommon) or 4's/5's (Legendary/Epic). Go to your roster, pick any 3-star character, and it says they're Rare, right over the name. It's not double-speak, it's you not being familiar with game terms. I don't really have an issue with this apart from using the Starter Pack as a deciding factor in what offers are shown. Here is why:1.) At the time it was offered, it was clearly the best value pack the game had offered and so that was a big enticement for players to spend based upon what had come before. The forums reflected that many purchases were made based upon perceived value for money vs what else had been available and not necessarily because a particular player needed the contents. 2.) Unfortunately, the packs that followed which escalated in price came thick and fast with no even spacing between. Players such as myself who were VIP and then bought the SP just couldn't justify another purchase in such a short period. That doesn't reflect non-willingness to buy but simple spending within comfortable margins on what is purely entertainment.So whilst the data on who purchased is valuable, it is also probably wildly skewed by other factors at that time, not least being that it was something fairly unprecedented. I can see the benefit in not swamping us with offers but I also think that using that particular historical purchase as a jumping on factor is flawed.Hey ho, so it goes. After re-reading the post from Brigby, i think some people still have it confused. If you bought the starter, you got the RA pack. If you bought something else, you got the DP offer. You may even get the DP offer after the RA offer, so getting upset over not getting it for a few days seems weird. Also, it does make sense how they went about it. The SP was a bunch of 3* stuff for super cheap. Like maybe 8 bucks. If you didnt even drop 8 bucks for some 3* stuff, it's not outside the realm of reason that you will not drop almost twice as much for more 3* stuff. They figure either you are strictly free to play, or are in the 4* teir. So they send out the DP pack instead.Again, this makes sense. If you are in the 4* range and buy the pack, they now know even more conclusively that you will not buy 3* packs, and will probably tailor more purchases towards you. Keeping in mind, this isn't all happening in a bubble, you have thousands of people who play blissfully unaware of the arguments taking place on this forum, and buy packs when they suit them, and ignore the ones that don't. Just because a particular pack doesn't interest you doesn't mean their aren't *thousands* of people out there who are interested.
DAZ0273 said: Spudgutter said: DAZ0273 said: JHawkInc said: This seems like an odd topic to get bent out of shape over.They're trying to offer more bundles because players like them. They're trying to target different bundles to different players based on their spending habits. Players can have access to both over time (that means it's NOT A/B testing, by definition). They're deliberately spacing these bundles out so that people who budget can get several bundles over time, instead of having several available at once and being forced to choose. And they're setting a precedent where, over time, they could have a dozen or more bundles to offer, and can cherry pick which ones they provide based on what's best suited to the player in question (good for the player, AND good for the game if people spend more)How is any of that a bad thing?Oh, and the Rare Avengers pack is perfectly named. It contains three characters, all Avengers, of the Rare rarity. They're 3*s. Rares. Not 1's or 2's (Common/Uncommon) or 4's/5's (Legendary/Epic). Go to your roster, pick any 3-star character, and it says they're Rare, right over the name. It's not double-speak, it's you not being familiar with game terms. I don't really have an issue with this apart from using the Starter Pack as a deciding factor in what offers are shown. Here is why:1.) At the time it was offered, it was clearly the best value pack the game had offered and so that was a big enticement for players to spend based upon what had come before. The forums reflected that many purchases were made based upon perceived value for money vs what else had been available and not necessarily because a particular player needed the contents. 2.) Unfortunately, the packs that followed which escalated in price came thick and fast with no even spacing between. Players such as myself who were VIP and then bought the SP just couldn't justify another purchase in such a short period. That doesn't reflect non-willingness to buy but simple spending within comfortable margins on what is purely entertainment.So whilst the data on who purchased is valuable, it is also probably wildly skewed by other factors at that time, not least being that it was something fairly unprecedented. I can see the benefit in not swamping us with offers but I also think that using that particular historical purchase as a jumping on factor is flawed.Hey ho, so it goes. After re-reading the post from Brigby, i think some people still have it confused. If you bought the starter, you got the RA pack. If you bought something else, you got the DP offer. You may even get the DP offer after the RA offer, so getting upset over not getting it for a few days seems weird. Also, it does make sense how they went about it. The SP was a bunch of 3* stuff for super cheap. Like maybe 8 bucks. If you didnt even drop 8 bucks for some 3* stuff, it's not outside the realm of reason that you will not drop almost twice as much for more 3* stuff. They figure either you are strictly free to play, or are in the 4* teir. So they send out the DP pack instead.Again, this makes sense. If you are in the 4* range and buy the pack, they now know even more conclusively that you will not buy 3* packs, and will probably tailor more purchases towards you. Keeping in mind, this isn't all happening in a bubble, you have thousands of people who play blissfully unaware of the arguments taking place on this forum, and buy packs when they suit them, and ignore the ones that don't. Just because a particular pack doesn't interest you doesn't mean their aren't *thousands* of people out there who are interested. I'm not upset, not at all. "Hey ho, so it goes" isn't really a rage filled assault, lol! I was just pointing out the flaws in using the SP as a benchmark.
bbigler said: I think the spacing between them is not enough. Like someone else mentioned.......I bought the RA pack for $15 (for reasons) and then 12 hrs later, I'm presented with the DP pack for $20. Why would I buy that 12 hrs later? Even 3 days from now I wouldn't buy it. I would buy 1 or the other within the week, not both. I'm already spending too much money on this game and would like to cut it back. I think D3 would get more sales if they presented special packs once a week.......but if they did that, then people would never buy HP outright (Logan's Loonies, Asgard Treasure, Stark Salary). If they have a stream of packs they want to sell, then simply present all of them to me at once and I'll decide which one I want. If you present them back to back, people are not likely to keep buying them, IMO. It feels taxing.
Brigby said: There's also a series of offers after the Deadpool offer that'll show up based on whether you bought the previous one in the series.
Does this mean that if I don't buy the Deadpool offer I won't even see the Hulkbuster / Fury or subsequent offers?
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