Gambit Character Update Details (6/26/18)

spghttihead

Glad to see this! While I could beat him without having my own Gambit, I almost always needed boosts and some luck. In general he was just not fun to play against. Outside of facing Gambit I could play any of my 5 stars against other 5 stars and that makes the game fun. Having to constantly skip teams because I wanted to use my Doc Ock or Star Lord (yeah, I like them) made me hate PVP. Now hopefully that's changed.

babinro

I definitely have my concerns with these Gambit changes.  

I mean no offense to the devs and testers but it really does 'feel' like you rolled out the changes without having a clear enough understanding of 5* tier play.

If you were to go for minimalist changes I think you could have removed the black AP destruction as you did and remove purples ability to override CD's and he would have been reasonably balanced.    These two simple changes open up a ton of teams to start taking him down.

Now I can appreciate the desire to slow him down since generating free AP is problematic.   So your decision to change black the way you did is also fine but to severely nerf red as badly as you did while doing so seems misguided.

I will commend you on BUFFING the purple damage in compensation.  This change is the only thing that makes Gambit a somewhat compelling character post nerf.  I feel as though you'll have knocked him down too far though.

You took a top 3 five star character in todays meta and dropped him down comfortably in the bottom 10 (out of 25).   That's a big drop and not nearly as subtle as the OML nerf.

I'm disappointed by the changes on paper but I will freely admit that until I get hands on with the character that I may be jumping to conclusions.  At the very least I hope Gambit/Bolt is still an option in pvp but ideally a character should go beyond a one trick pony team....especially when people put serious cash into that character for many many months.

smkspy

Good job OML killing Gambit...say goodbye to mine and lots of others money. 

CharlieCroker

whitecat31 said:

CharlieCroker said:

If you think about it, they have essentially just announced a buff for EVERY other 5* in the game.  You can more reliably use, for example, Hawkeye's countdowns, Ghostrider's repeater tiles, Doc's reactor and even Banner's transformation.  Kudos to the devs.

Banner and Doc still won't see the light of day because they are still horrible. Can't really say great things about Ghost Riders. As for Kudo's to the devs, for turning a top tier character into an extremely weak one, that is par for the course. The Dev Team get's Kudos if they make characters that don't need a nerf. Seeing as how they tend to nerf  on average three characters a year, they are not doing so well.

//Removed Insult -Brigby

I guess we'll have to wait a month to see if Gambit really is extremely weak now or is finally the balanced character a lot of people hoped to see.  Somewhere between the two is my guess.

Can't really argue with anything else you've said (except maybe GR more viable). It was after all around 9 months ago I created a thread asking whether Gambit 1.0 was OP.  He was then and he is now.  Thankfully he won't be for much longer.

//Removed Insult - Brigby

awarnica

I’m so glad I decided NOT to spend on digital day last year. 
I’m sure there are lots who are not so relieved. 

I keep saying - it’s as if they have no idea... but that can’t be true. 

Oh yes it can!

whitecat31

spghttihead said:

Glad to see this! While I could beat him without having my own Gambit, I almost always needed boosts and some luck. In general he was just not fun to play against. Outside of facing Gambit I could play any of my 5 stars against other 5 stars and that makes the game fun. Having to constantly skip teams because I wanted to use my Doc Ock or Star Lord (yeah, I like them) made me hate PVP. Now hopefully that's changed.

If you are using Doc Ock and Starlord in PVP,  you are still going to hate PVP. 

Daredevil217

Could you AT LEAST remove the restrictions on his black preventing allies from firing red/purple. He’s so slow and such a handicap. That minor change could at least open up some teams for him. 

hopper1979

Long overdue, a well reasoned and explained set of changes.  I would say the gap has been closed to a point where variation might start to happen again.

rixmith

Agreed on removing the restriction. His Purple will be really powerful, so there aren't a lot of other Purples I would use. His Red was nerfed very hard and his AP generation is slower and less reliable, so letting him be a Red battery for others seems reasonable.

BlackWidower

Daredevil217 said:

Could you AT LEAST remove the restrictions on his black preventing allies from firing red/purple. He’s so slow and such a handicap. That minor change could at least open up some teams for him. 

I had forgotten about that, making him even worse.

therightwaye

I for one  have been waiting desperately for a Gambutt Nerf. This is just a tad too far in my opinion. Reduce damage in red or increases AP, not both.

Purple should have always been random tiles with overwrite. Gambit is explosive not finesse.

Black is pretty good. Removing AP destruction was the right move.

marshall

At the end of the day, you want to upset the status quo, introduce further variety. Don't think he's as bad as people think. He will definitely not be top tier anymore, which is the goal. And we'll not have characters powers being introduced in an attempt to disrupt him specifically.

We'll be back to a world of strategy and counterstrategy, as opposed to "bring your Gambit to the Gambit party".

whitecat31

Brigby said:

 and we set to making 5-Star characters who could compete with Gambit and round out a robust metagame. Archangel's Aerial Superiority and Captain America (Infinity War)'s Man Without a Country powers were both designed with the intention of creating counter-play with Gambit.

Now that Gambit is going to be basically hot garbage with an over 50% reduction in damage done per turn and a destruction of his utility, will you also now rework Archangel and Captain America who are now even more useless seeing as how they were designed as meta against a poorly designed 5 star? 

UNC_Samurai

My Fellow Marvelpuzzlers,

wymtime

I will just say thank you for changing the meta.  I am really excited to see what sort of meta develops in 5* land because of this.
I will hold off judgement on the nerf but I will also say this PVE events where I don’t have the 5* at a high level or champed will now get a lot more interesting 

tph_james

This is what happens when u are too aggressively asking for a nerf. The dev is pissed off. Next time think thrice before asking for a nerf.
I like Gambit because he's fast and efficient. He reduces my playing/grinding time. Now the dev takes his speed away. I don't want to spend too much time on the game anymore . I can't imagine how much extra time to down mindless ones. With the nerf, all the pve goons and minions are alive again. There's no way to stop them spamming their cd. 
I'm speaking as a player who only own two championed 5* (gambit & Thor). I don't have much options after the nerf.
For players with lots of 5* championed, they don't feel much. 
When asking for a nerf, u need to put yourselves in others' shoes. Gambit meta or not is not my concern. I'm considering to leave. 

turbomoose

Not impressed at all, if you are going to nerf him that much , the least you could do is allow other characters to use pink and red 

I think I’m very likely to sell my champed gambit, you should allow for 1cover to be kept as although I will probably stop using him I would like to keep a single cover for essential when he is next up for story mode 

thedarkphoenix

Nerfed into uselessness 

every single power did not need to be adjusted.

D3 needs to put me on the balance team lol. Gambit went from the best to almost useless.

hope people enjoy Thor, okoye and JJ non stop now.

focal431

Kudos to this update. To much time spent finding matches without Gambit. 

Anybody pick up on the 5* unannounced cover just before OML. Does that mean our next 5* is a Wasp?

thedarkphoenix

Please tell me the reason allies can’t use powers with a 2 turn repeater that can be destroyed?

why does red cost almost double the cost for the same effect?

purple change is reasonable and somewhat expected, but I think that’s more for the pve side of things still way over kill.

gambit is essentially not good at anything any more.

5/3/5