New Feature - Saved Covers *Updated (6/19/18)

purplemur

Great news! 
 I would gladly trade 5000iso for the right cover. 

Brigby

AlexNapalm said:

MarkersMake said:

Brigby

Please feedback to the devs that the ratio should vary based on rarity. Otherwise the cover exchange rate becomes more punitive at each tier, due to the decreased draw rates. 

Eg. 
2* - 5:1
3* - 4:1
4* - 3:1
5* - 2:1

Yes, please.

That certainly sounds like an interesting idea. Conceptually it makes sense to me, considering the increasing rarity. Although I'm sure the team will be monitoring and reviewing the feature, following its implementation on the 18th, I'll be sure to add that to the list of player feedback. Thanks!

chris0001

With this “new feature”are we going to see the remaining 5* characters get feeders to help?  @Brigby

Brigby

chris0001 said:

With this “new feature”are we going to see the remaining 5* characters get feeders to help?  Brigby

Sorry, but I'm afraid at this moment I don't know when the next update to 4-Star Champion Rewards will be.

Hadronic

If anyone is wondering what the odds of actually getting 5 wasted covers before you finish the character, I calculated all that months ago.

It's small

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Jx4p2YF0GeVqzT_OvlMjawp-JlLEfV_FLsvfokhG_Oc/edit#gid=46011808

JHawkInc

Brigby said:

chris0001 said:

With this “new feature”are we going to see the remaining 5* characters get feeders to help?  Brigby

Sorry, but I'm afraid at this moment I don't know when the next update to 4-Star Champion Rewards will be.

This would be a REALLY good time to start doing those a little more often, for the record.

Twysta

I just want to check that once you have 5 covers, this doesn't automatically get converted to a usable cover right?
And you choose if you want to convert it?
For instance if you have someone who is 5/5/2.
And you're sitting on 5 covers, I'd maybe rather wait and see if I could pull the last cover before wasting 5 possible champion levels.

The rockett

Hadronic said:

If anyone is wondering what the odds of actually getting 5 wasted covers before you finish the character, I calculated all that months ago.

It's small

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Jx4p2YF0GeVqzT_OvlMjawp-JlLEfV_FLsvfokhG_Oc/edit#gid=46011808

Please see my 8/1/7 IM46.  The only blue from H4H that I bought ready for a feeder. Others have had the same thing at a 4* level. 

Borstock

Excellent feature. Love it.

fnedude

I'll chime also in regarding the 5:1 ratios for 5*s.   My JJ was 5/5/1 and then I got a +1xRed and +1xBlack for me to get cover swaps so I can champ her.

This is telling me, it could be up to 10x more covers for me to get the necessary swaps if I'm extremely unlucky.

I just went 25+ R/U covers for 2* Hawkeye so I could flip him (missing the Purple).  I _CAN_ happen with 5*s too...

Dragon_Nexus

Brigby said:

The rockett said:

IceIX said:

The rockett said:

Brigby said:

The rockett said:

So it is a 5 cover for 1 cover ratio?  Is that correct? Brigby

5 saved covers are converted into 1 usable cover. Correct. If you are saving covers, then manage to pull the last cover you need, then those saved covers will each become Champion levels, once you Champion the character.

Brigby so you are saying that ALL cover willl be converted into champ levels once you champ them? 

So my 8/0/7 IM46, I pull 15 more red and yellow covers, those could be converted into blue.  Then once I change IM46 to 450 he would be 465?  Is that right?  

You're saying 5/0/5 with 5 extra covers, then another 15, so 20 total. So you'd save the first 5, go 5/1/5, get 5 more, etc etc. You'd end up with a 5/3/5 character and still have 5 covers in the bank. You can't Save covers on a 13 cover character, so not quite.

So my 5/0/5 Im46, get 5 not blue they become 1 blue 
5/1/5. Get 5 more not blue then get 1 blue 
5/2/5. Get 5 more not blue get 1 blue.  
5/3/5. 

The question is do those 15 wasted covers become champ levels?   So if I would Champ at 450 it would become 465?  Or if you are switching the 5:1 covers they are gone?  

You are converting 5 unusable covers into 1 usable cover. They do not become Champion levels after the character is Championed. The only exception is, for example, the following:

5/2/5. You save 3 covers. You pull 0/1/0. It is now a 5/3/5 with 3 saved covers. Champion the character. Now it's 453

And that immediately makes this system *worse* than what we have already.

Fantastic.

You've made what was potentially an easy system, ie colourless covers or just a simple one-for-one system that we currently had via customer service, into something less consumer friendly.

I can't wait to inevitably save 15 Jessica Jones covers to get 3 Jessica Jones covers.

Smart80

The rockett said:

broll said:

So now there’s a reason to open Classics again. Also this is probably why dilution returned. 

All in in all a good change. I suggested this exact thing around the time I started two years ago. Thanks devs. 

5:1 is good?   

You arent forced to make that swap. See it as an extra buffer to complete the toon. Much less risk pulling with 5/5/1 classics. And once you finish it, you just get the saved back, if you didnt use them for swap..




But I do like your request to get opportunity to merge rostered dupes to saved covers somehow.. +1

msp2211

I hope to put this into perspective. If you are the unfortunate person who pulls a 5/0/5 5*, you may have to pull an additional 15 covers of that specific character, to finish them. This is roughly 300 pulls. Or, 4 months of playing each pve and pvp event to full progression. That is in addition to the pulls to get a 5/0/5. Please, see the error of 5:1 for 5* (epic rarity) covers. It should be 1:1, but certainly not 5:1.

Anon

Man I would've loved to see this feature earlier for my 8/4/0 America Chavez. But better late than never.

I approve.

jamesh

The five-to-one exchange doesn't seem great, but being able to have up to five unusable covers saved from expiring and turned into champion levels is a big improvement.  This basically means you can pull up to 18 covers for a character while trying to champ them without fear of any covers expiring (since you can convert those fie saved covers to champion levels).

While you've got a 30% chance of properly covering a character with 13 covers, you've got an 88% chance with 18 covers.  Add some more covers you might leave in your queue over a 2 week period, and the probability goes up even further.  This is a massive improvement.

The five-to-one cover exchange mechanic will still be useful for cases when you get really unlucky (e.g. my 2* Storm is sitting at 5/0/5 with nine unusable covers in the queue), but that's going to be a fairly uncommon scenario scenario.

fmftint

Can't wait to hear about double secret swap exceptions...

Chameleon

Twysta said:

I just want to check that once you have 5 covers, this doesn't automatically get converted to a usable cover right?
And you choose if you want to convert it?
For instance if you have someone who is 5/5/2.
And you're sitting on 5 covers, I'd maybe rather wait and see if I could pull the last cover before wasting 5 possible champion levels.

I'd like to know, too.

justsing

msp2211 said:

I hope to put this into perspective. If you are the unfortunate person who pulls a 5/0/5 5*, you may have to pull an additional 15 covers of that specific character, to finish them. This is roughly 300 pulls. Or, 4 months of playing each pve and pvp event to full progression. That is in addition to the pulls to get a 5/0/5. Please, see the error of 5:1 for 5* (epic rarity) covers. It should be 1:1, but certainly not 5:1.

I wish I could click "Insightful" multiple times on this. Given the rarity of 5* covers and the limited ways of acquiring them, this 5:1 swap ratio is way too high.

If anything, this is encouraging players to hoard longer so that they can get 13 usable covers (for Latest 5*s) and have the rest become champ levels instead of wasting 5* covers in 5:1 swap. 

adamdivine

This is terrible. 5:1 ratio for 2 and 3*s is reasonable (i guess), for 4* it's terrible, for 5* it's laughably bad.  Getting rid of latest swaps on top of this removes any incentive at all to play this game anymore for established players.

alaeth

fmftint said:

Can't wait to hear about double secret swap exceptions...

I'm sure that will never happen....