Nick441234 said: I find this all very confusing. What I take from it is.......No change to standard tokens and no change to Heroic tokens. Legendary Tokens have basically just had the latest odds removed. Versus stores have had 4* odds raised. Story stores (which are very rare) and Story vaults have had their 4* odds raised. In terms of the vaults, dont they only ever have one 4* cover in them? So you've had your odds raised of drawing that one cover? Not exactly exciting if how I'm seeing it is how its going to be.
Quebbster said: Nick441234 said: I find this all very confusing. What I take from it is.......No change to standard tokens and no change to Heroic tokens. Legendary Tokens have basically just had the latest odds removed. Versus stores have had 4* odds raised. Story stores (which are very rare) and Story vaults have had their 4* odds raised. In terms of the vaults, dont they only ever have one 4* cover in them? So you've had your odds raised of drawing that one cover? Not exactly exciting if how I'm seeing it is how its going to be. Vaults usually have Three fourstar covers (one for the featured character, two random) and a Legendary token.
Nick441234 said: Quebbster said: Nick441234 said: I find this all very confusing. What I take from it is.......No change to standard tokens and no change to Heroic tokens. Legendary Tokens have basically just had the latest odds removed. Versus stores have had 4* odds raised. Story stores (which are very rare) and Story vaults have had their 4* odds raised. In terms of the vaults, dont they only ever have one 4* cover in them? So you've had your odds raised of drawing that one cover? Not exactly exciting if how I'm seeing it is how its going to be. Vaults usually have Three fourstar covers (one for the featured character, two random) and a Legendary token. OK. So that is still just raised odds of getting those 3 4* covers. Its still only 3 4* covers out of all the 4*s in the game. Its not that positive really.
So come Wednesday my current task of champing Valkyrie becomes more difficult but my risk of extra covers on covered vintage 4’s waiting on iso becomes more likely. Great.
T_REZ5000 said: Daredevil217 said: whitecat31 said: So what you are saying is we are going from a 7.14 percent change to get a 4 star from a heroic pack. ~1:14 to a 8.925 percent chance to get a 4 star from heroic which you most likely show as a ~ 1:11 chance? Does that sound about right? Nope. Still a 7.14% chance. They did not touch the token odds in Heroics. Just brought back dilution. Re-read the OP. Correct. A quick read read through most of the replies in this thread shows just how effective presenting data in a roundabout way truly is.People actually believe they are going to be inundated in 4* covers when in reality the other cover stores were just brought in line with heroics. They also made it way more difficult for a beginner to fully cover a 4*.The only great thing about this thread is IceIX mentioning the devs are looking into duplicate covers. That’s the best news I’ve heard since returning to the game last October.
Daredevil217 said: whitecat31 said: So what you are saying is we are going from a 7.14 percent change to get a 4 star from a heroic pack. ~1:14 to a 8.925 percent chance to get a 4 star from heroic which you most likely show as a ~ 1:11 chance? Does that sound about right? Nope. Still a 7.14% chance. They did not touch the token odds in Heroics. Just brought back dilution. Re-read the OP.
whitecat31 said: So what you are saying is we are going from a 7.14 percent change to get a 4 star from a heroic pack. ~1:14 to a 8.925 percent chance to get a 4 star from heroic which you most likely show as a ~ 1:11 chance? Does that sound about right?
HoundofShadow said: The key points are:2) They are looking to solve wasted covers issue.
Quebbster said: Nick441234 said: Quebbster said: Nick441234 said: I find this all very confusing. What I take from it is.......No change to standard tokens and no change to Heroic tokens. Legendary Tokens have basically just had the latest odds removed. Versus stores have had 4* odds raised. Story stores (which are very rare) and Story vaults have had their 4* odds raised. In terms of the vaults, dont they only ever have one 4* cover in them? So you've had your odds raised of drawing that one cover? Not exactly exciting if how I'm seeing it is how its going to be. Vaults usually have Three fourstar covers (one for the featured character, two random) and a Legendary token. OK. So that is still just raised odds of getting those 3 4* covers. Its still only 3 4* covers out of all the 4*s in the game. Its not that positive really. I don't see anything mentioned about vaults here, just stores. It remains to be seen if vaults are affected at all unless I am missing something blindingly obvious (which is entirely possible).
justsing said: I like that we’ll be getting higher odds of 4*s in event tokens, but why are we going back to 4* dilution? I’ve always thought the current system with increased odds for Latest 4*s was a good balance between dealing with dilution and still allowing people to acquire all 4*s. I’ve covered plenty of Vintage 4*s under this system, and when I was in the 3*-4* transition phase, I appreciated the higher odds for Latest as that allowed me to cover and champ 4*s faster.
HoundofShadow said:3) Latest and Vintage will merge. This is both positive and negative depending on where you are in the game. In return, featured 4* will get 10 to 20x increased odds in Heroic Tokens. It's like back to the good old days.
Daredevil217 said: justsing said: ... I was in the 3*-4* transition phase, I appreciated the higher odds for Latest as that allowed me to cover and champ 4*s faster. I’d love if we could get an answer to this. Could someone fill us in on the WHY, please? @IceIX, @Brigby?
justsing said: ... I was in the 3*-4* transition phase, I appreciated the higher odds for Latest as that allowed me to cover and champ 4*s faster.
IceIX said: Eichen said: @IceIX Why do you have to look for more opportunities to run more 4* PvP? Why can't you just run a 4* PvP alongside the current 3*? Because with the way current tech runs, that would mean a ton of people in a lot of different tiers and time shards. Which could make things a bit... seedy for some shards. Which would then result in people trying to game the system to get "empty" shards. It's not impossible, but there's some other tech and backend work we'd have to consider to make sure that everyone gets a good experience there.
Eichen said: @IceIX Why do you have to look for more opportunities to run more 4* PvP? Why can't you just run a 4* PvP alongside the current 3*?
What about if you have a 3* and 4* PVP side-by-side, once you enter one you're still in the same Shard as the other. For instance, if I choose 4* Medusa PVP S7.4 and another player chooses 3* Ironfist PVP S7.4, we're in the same Shard. The only difference will be the Essential PVP character, such as I wouldn't be able to use boosted Medusa in 3* or boosted Ironfist in 4*. There wouldn't be a Shard exploit and it would giving everyone an option.
Dormammu said: I'm happy I burned through my hoard today before this change went into effect... wait, I should be happy, right? Or should I be angry...? I can't tell.I'm so confused.
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Bowgentle said: So you're bringing back full-on dilution in the only tokens that matter (LTs) and try to spin this as a positive thing?Ok.
So you're bringing back full-on dilution in the only tokens that matter (LTs) and try to spin this as a positive thing?Ok.
PenniesForEveryone said: Bowgentle said: So you're bringing back full-on dilution in the only tokens that matter (LTs) and try to spin this as a positive thing?Ok. How could it not be perceived as a positive thing? This is exactly what the forum has been demanding since vaulting was first introduced last March.We want equal access to all characters. Now we have it. Who cares if it takes a thousand legendary pulls to cover a new 4*?Let them eat cake.
ThaRoadWarrior said: Daredevil217 said: justsing said: ... I was in the 3*-4* transition phase, I appreciated the higher odds for Latest as that allowed me to cover and champ 4*s faster. I’d love if we could get an answer to this. Could someone fill us in on the WHY, please? @IceIX, @Brigby? Reading between the lines, this slows down the 4* transition significantly, and will encourage spending on hp for roster slots so that you would need to make sure you had a home for everyone you draw, or throw them away. I'd also be curious if there is an official party line for this, because acquiring generally more 4*s is not nearly as helpful as acquiring more of the 4*s you want from a player's perspective.