jredd said: well, just pulled 32 heroics and got 1 4*, so i'd say the change is working...
tiomono said: jredd said: well, just pulled 32 heroics and got 1 4*, so i'd say the change is working... 4* rates in heroics stayed the same. Bad rng will still be a thing.
steakleather said: So my 5/1/5 Valkyrie with 4 covers on the vine... never gonna finish her, am I?
So to sum this all up.
We admit our vaulting of four star characters was a mistake, like the majority of our customer base said it was based on when we vaulted three star characters.
We admit our odds to get the new four stars was a mistake on our end for profit reasons, because this change was "working as intended" to get newer players up to speed in four star land, and we will lesson the odds. In other words, people were getting a four star character fully covered too easily and only focusing on that four star character and not buying other stuff.
"Some, Comic Stores will have higher odds of acquiring a 4-Star character overall": Basically means in "some" of our stores we are switching a single three star cover to another four star cover that will be one of the new four star characters you don't have fully covered, and this will usually be in the comic stores you can visibly see how many covers are available.
Hopefully, this will entice you to buy them instead of just earn them, because the packs you normally earn and can hoard, have not had the four star odds changed.
whitecat31 said: So to sum this all up. We admit our vaulting of four star characters was a mistake, like the majority of our customer base said it was based on when we vaulted three star characters. We admit our odds to get the new four stars was a mistake on our end for profit reasons, because this change was "working as intended" to get newer players up to speed in four star land, and we will lesson the odds. In other words, people were getting a four star character fully covered too easily and only focusing on that four star character and not buying other stuff. "Some, Comic Stores will have higher odds of acquiring a 4-Star character overall": Basically means in "some" of our stores we are switching a single three star cover to another four star cover that will be one of the new four star characters you don't have fully covered, and this will usually be in the comic stores you can visibly see how many covers are available. Hopefully, this will entice you to buy them instead of just earn them, because the packs you normally earn and can hoard, have not had the four star odds changed.
Waddles_Pines said: steakleather said: So my 5/1/5 Valkyrie with 4 covers on the vine... never gonna finish her, am I? There's one yellow as progression in HoD, so she'll be 5/2/5 Also, I was in the same conundrum with Val and RNG just gave me 2 yellow covers, so there's always hope...
Daredevil217 said: 1) Hoarding was always about the 5* game. Not the 4* game. You could cover 4s very easily whether you hoarded or not and honestly, probably much faster if you didn’t hoard... so no. 2) As for your second point (skipping the 4* tier completely) its a theory I’ve posited in a separate thread (https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/73203/any-4-players-thinking-about-transitioning-to-the-5-game-with-4-token-changes#latest). Though I think it’s an unintended side effect and not their goal. There’s lots of money to be made in the 4-game. They do not want people skipping it. But there are many who will and D3 will have to scramble and switch up once again when they realize we figured out the real numbers and not the PR spun ones they provided us. 3) This move has nothing to do with hoarding. They think they can increase spending by increasing the perceived value of a 4, not realizing that most have moved on to the 5 game and those that haven’t probably will with this change. I think they want to increase the value of 4s so they don’t have to introduce 6*s. But I think they will end up with the opposite effect. To me personally; the tier is dead after Spider-Man. I either need to get really excited about using just the characters I have champed, move to the next tier, or quit.
Straycat said: Daredevil217 said: 1) Hoarding was always about the 5* game. Not the 4* game. You could cover 4s very easily whether you hoarded or not and honestly, probably much faster if you didn’t hoard... so no. 2) As for your second point (skipping the 4* tier completely) its a theory I’ve posited in a separate thread (https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/73203/any-4-players-thinking-about-transitioning-to-the-5-game-with-4-token-changes#latest). Though I think it’s an unintended side effect and not their goal. There’s lots of money to be made in the 4-game. They do not want people skipping it. But there are many who will and D3 will have to scramble and switch up once again when they realize we figured out the real numbers and not the PR spun ones they provided us. 3) This move has nothing to do with hoarding. They think they can increase spending by increasing the perceived value of a 4, not realizing that most have moved on to the 5 game and those that haven’t probably will with this change. I think they want to increase the value of 4s so they don’t have to introduce 6*s. But I think they will end up with the opposite effect. To me personally; the tier is dead after Spider-Man. I either need to get really excited about using just the characters I have champed, move to the next tier, or quit. Lol, yeah, the 4* tier is dead so you are thinking of "skipping it". You have everyone champed and have the best 5*s covered. You say its not their goal, but why would they want people to ignore the 5* game? Vaulting made the transition to 4* land much faster, maybe this change is to make the transition to 5* faster.
Daredevil217 said: Straycat said: Daredevil217 said: 1) Hoarding was always about the 5* game. Not the 4* game. You could cover 4s very easily whether you hoarded or not and honestly, probably much faster if you didn’t hoard... so no. 2) As for your second point (skipping the 4* tier completely) its a theory I’ve posited in a separate thread (https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/73203/any-4-players-thinking-about-transitioning-to-the-5-game-with-4-token-changes#latest). Though I think it’s an unintended side effect and not their goal. There’s lots of money to be made in the 4-game. They do not want people skipping it. But there are many who will and D3 will have to scramble and switch up once again when they realize we figured out the real numbers and not the PR spun ones they provided us. 3) This move has nothing to do with hoarding. They think they can increase spending by increasing the perceived value of a 4, not realizing that most have moved on to the 5 game and those that haven’t probably will with this change. I think they want to increase the value of 4s so they don’t have to introduce 6*s. But I think they will end up with the opposite effect. To me personally; the tier is dead after Spider-Man. I either need to get really excited about using just the characters I have champed, move to the next tier, or quit. Lol, yeah, the 4* tier is dead so you are thinking of "skipping it". You have everyone champed and have the best 5*s covered. You say its not their goal, but why would they want people to ignore the 5* game? Vaulting made the transition to 4* land much faster, maybe this change is to make the transition to 5* faster. Because the amount of iso/HP/tokens, etc. it takes to cover, level, and champ everyone is A LOT. More than any other tier. Like I said, there’s money to made in the 4* tier. Many many pressures to spend. They don’t want people leapfrogging it entirely.
Straycat said: Daredevil217 said: Straycat said: Daredevil217 said: 1) Hoarding was always about the 5* game. Not the 4* game. You could cover 4s very easily whether you hoarded or not and honestly, probably much faster if you didn’t hoard... so no. 2) As for your second point (skipping the 4* tier completely) its a theory I’ve posited in a separate thread (https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/73203/any-4-players-thinking-about-transitioning-to-the-5-game-with-4-token-changes#latest). Though I think it’s an unintended side effect and not their goal. There’s lots of money to be made in the 4-game. They do not want people skipping it. But there are many who will and D3 will have to scramble and switch up once again when they realize we figured out the real numbers and not the PR spun ones they provided us. 3) This move has nothing to do with hoarding. They think they can increase spending by increasing the perceived value of a 4, not realizing that most have moved on to the 5 game and those that haven’t probably will with this change. I think they want to increase the value of 4s so they don’t have to introduce 6*s. But I think they will end up with the opposite effect. To me personally; the tier is dead after Spider-Man. I either need to get really excited about using just the characters I have champed, move to the next tier, or quit. Lol, yeah, the 4* tier is dead so you are thinking of "skipping it". You have everyone champed and have the best 5*s covered. You say its not their goal, but why would they want people to ignore the 5* game? Vaulting made the transition to 4* land much faster, maybe this change is to make the transition to 5* faster. Because the amount of iso/HP/tokens, etc. it takes to cover, level, and champ everyone is A LOT. More than any other tier. Like I said, there’s money to made in the 4* tier. Many many pressures to spend. They don’t want people leapfrogging it entirely. Given that the latest/classic pool for 5*s hasn't changed, the pressure to spend is more on 5*s than 4*s. My point still stands, why would they want people with 4* champs and well covered 5*s to leave them at 255? Don't they want vets with strong rosters actually use their rosters and play in SC9 instead of SC7? Whatever their reason was, we will end up making progress in the 4* tier much more slowly while progress in the 5* tier remains the same.
CaptainFreaky said: ... I have to ask the obvious question "then why not wait to make the pack odds changes when they make whatever other changes at the same time?"