Black Panther (King of Wakanda) & New Story Event *Updated (2/7/18)

Quebbster

bluewolf said:

Bowgentle said:

CharlieCroker said:

bluewolf said:

How is sub 3 showing a neutral tile?  “Destroys one random colored AP from your pool each turn.”  No effect on enemy AP and does not help you at all.

Well the info provided by Brigby states that they make it harder to defeat the enemy and with you sometimes losing multiple ap per turn that's 100% correct.

I'm just thankful that (50%) Thor is the boosted 5* essential this event.  CL9 would have been terrible without the free ap/match damage which coupled with Chavez made this event just about bearable.  Imagine if it had been AA or another lower tier 5* boosted....

Look forward to them running it with GR as the required 5 in two weeks.

Actually we will get Panther or Thanos, most likely. 2 more Latest before Classics again, and even with a 7 day, we’ll have a Classic for the assumed repeat run.  Unless they decide to revisit it and delay.

Black Panther seems like the obvious choice here... so it will probably be Thanos.

crackninja

I'm just playing for max progression which will land me in the top 100 in scl7, so nothing competitive.  Maybe it's just the boosts this time, but I enjoyed running half dead thor and vision, with the hazards at least being something different than the norm.  I'll happily take this event added into the mix even if things aren't neutral as advertised.

Killabee

Anybody else notice that the e4 node gives more points than the e5 node on scl9? 

loose5682

Killabee said:

Anybody else notice that the e4 node gives more points than the e5 node on scl9? 

Couple people have asked on this post and i created a separate post in a different sub forum as well, no response as of yet.

Hazard tiles have unfortunately dominated this post.

shardwick

Sub 1 gave me cancer. In sub 2 Medusa healed me. Love ya, babe. If sub 3 only gets rid of ap then that's not the end of the world as I will just kill these fools with passive damage.

Also, Demi and D3 should crack open a dictionary and look up what neutral means. Sub 1 was neutral. Sub 2 could have been done better like dropping protect tiles for both teams then you could rush to get rid of the enemy tiles while protecting your own tiles. Fair and challenging. Or the tiles could constantly be switching between the teams whenever a cd tile expired. Sub 3 sounds like it's just an enemy tile. Do it like I suggested for sub 2. Simple.

JHawkInc

There are an awful lot of people that misread "countdowns are considered neutral" to mean "countdowns will have neutral effects" and then got bent out of shape when the latter wasn't true. Granted, they didn't spell out that countdown effects wouldn't be neutral, but it was pretty clear in the first post that the neutrality referred to the behavior of the new tiles, and not to their effects (seeing as how their effects were not even mentioned at all).

Caprila

JHawkInc said:

There are an awful lot of people that misread "countdowns are considered neutral" to mean "countdowns will have neutral effects" and then got bent out of shape when the latter wasn't true. Granted, they didn't spell out that countdown effects wouldn't be neutral, but it was pretty clear in the first post that the neutrality referred to the behavior of the new tiles, and not to their effects (seeing as how their effects were not even mentioned at all).

Seriously, they're still called hazard tiles in game. It even says HAZARD in all caps, bold letters on the node descriptions

zodiac339

Caprila said:

JHawkInc said:

There are an awful lot of people that misread "countdowns are considered neutral" to mean "countdowns will have neutral effects" and then got bent out of shape when the latter wasn't true. Granted, they didn't spell out that countdown effects wouldn't be neutral, but it was pretty clear in the first post that the neutrality referred to the behavior of the new tiles, and not to their effects (seeing as how their effects were not even mentioned at all).

Seriously, they're still called hazard tiles in game. It even says HAZARD in all caps, bold letters on the node descriptions

With the issue being that a hazard is not something that targets someone/something. It’s an ever-present and neutral danger. In this game however, hazards almost invariably target and are hazardous for the player. The first two subs offered that affected both teams, but sub 3 goes back to only being a hazard to the player. Just looking for hazards to live to the spirit of what a hazard is: a condition that causes a neutral, chaotic problem for everyone. This is just more attempts to punish players for even playing the game in the first place.

Trilateralus

Seriously hazard tiles had a negligible effect on my matches and there are numerous characters that could be used to counter them. 

//Removed Insult -Brigby

jamesh

JHawkInc said:

There are an awful lot of people that misread "countdowns are considered neutral" to mean "countdowns will have neutral effects" and then got bent out of shape when the latter wasn't true. Granted, they didn't spell out that countdown effects wouldn't be neutral, but it was pretty clear in the first post that the neutrality referred to the behavior of the new tiles, and not to their effects (seeing as how their effects were not even mentioned at all).

The collapsing mine tiles are the first that are unambiguously bad for you and good for the enemy.  With the first destroy row/column hazards, I would sometimes position them and let them go off to clear out hard to reach enemy special tiles.

For the exploding hazards, I might decide to eat the damage and let the hazard take out an enemy.  With the shield tile hazards, if you managed them well they'd offer a minor amount of protection.  With these AP reduction hazards, you can even have one enter the field when you make a match and reduce your AP before it is possible to do anything about it.

Pants1000

Maybe I missed it, but I don’t think I saw any comments about the 1v1 nodes where you have to use a BP.  They’re tough in CL9 with a 255 BP, but manageable.  I like tough 1-time only nodes with decent ISO rewards.  If I had to grind them I’d be complaining, but I like it as is.

LifeofAgony

With a champ 5BP they’re fairly easy which I’ll glafly take for an extra 10,500 iso.

DarthDeVo

Pants1000 said:

Maybe I missed it, but I don’t think I saw any comments about the 1v1 nodes where you have to use a BP.  They’re tough in CL9 with a 255 BP, but manageable.  I like tough 1-time only nodes with decent ISO rewards.  If I had to grind them I’d be complaining, but I like it as is.

Yeah, those fights have unequivocally been the best part of this event. 

The collapsing mine tiles wouldn't be so bad if they stole AP ONLY when they resolved. To steal every single time they tick down is a little over the top. About the only decent thing I can say about them is they seemed to be a little less frequent than the others. 

TriSentinel

The shield tile stealing hazards weren’t terrible because there are enough characters to steal them and flip them back to friendly strikes or shields, but the AP draining tiles were pretty cruel and just made the game an unpleasant experience.

The team damage hazards were the only true neutral evil tiles so you could strategize around them to your advantage as well.

TriSentinel

Trilateralus said:

Seriously hazard tiles had a negligible effect on my matches and there are numerous characters that could be used to counter them. 

//Removed Insult -Brigby

Please elaborate.

Trilateralus

Tri-Sentinel said:

Trilateralus said:

Seriously hazard tiles had a negligible effect on my matches and there are numerous characters that could be used to counter them. 

//Removed Insult -Brigby

Please elaborate.

As others have mentioned the damage from the explosive tiles could be mitigated by Quake or they could be overwritten by characters like Star Lord or Cap. The shield tiles were generally weak and could be flipped or stolen by Medusa, Wasp or Loki or just destroyed by 3* Captain Marvel. Admittedly the AP steal tiles were a pain that only served to slow matches down but that was merely inconvenient rather than game breaking. With a little strategy all the hazard tiles were easily dealt with but it seems as though a lot of players don’t consider any strategy other than trying to brute force their way through. 

herm1978

Trilateralus said:

Tri-Sentinel said:

Trilateralus said:

Seriously hazard tiles had a negligible effect on my matches and there are numerous characters that could be used to counter them. 

//Removed Insult -Brigby

Please elaborate.

As others have mentioned the damage from the explosive tiles could be mitigated by Quake or they could be overwritten by characters like Star Lord or Cap. The shield tiles were generally weak and could be flipped or stolen by Medusa, Wasp or Loki or just destroyed by 3* Captain Marvel. Admittedly the AP steal tiles were a pain that only served to slow matches down but that was merely inconvenient rather than game breaking. With a little strategy all the hazard tiles were easily dealt with but it seems as though a lot of players don’t consider any strategy other than trying to brute force their way through. 

Or perhaps not everyone have every character fully covered and at max level?

Nick441234

I wouldn't be bothered if they didn't run that event again. Those tiles were unnecessary and its just Dark Avengers again. Its basically a 3 year old PVE. 

Trilateralus

herm1978 said:

Trilateralus said:

Tri-Sentinel said:

Trilateralus said:

I feel like a lot of people are upset about the hazard tiles because for the first time they’re realizing they’re mediocre MPQ players. Seriously hazard tiles had a negligible effect on my matches and there are numerous characters that could be used to counter them. 

Please elaborate.

As others have mentioned the damage from the explosive tiles could be mitigated by Quake or they could be overwritten by characters like Star Lord or Cap. The shield tiles were generally weak and could be flipped or stolen by Medusa, Wasp or Loki or just destroyed by 3* Captain Marvel. Admittedly the AP steal tiles were a pain that only served to slow matches down but that was merely inconvenient rather than game breaking. With a little strategy all the hazard tiles were easily dealt with but it seems as though a lot of players don’t consider any strategy other than trying to brute force their way through. 

Or perhaps not everyone have every character fully covered and at max level?

I don’t have every character fully covered and max levelled so I’m not sure what your point is. I haven’t seen a single person say they didn’t have a character that would have helped, just complaints about how hazard tiles aren’t neutral. Or the thing that lead to my initial post that hazard tiles don’t add strategy. Hazard tiles do nothing but add strategy but due to the existing problems with the PVE structure people only focus on what let’s them win fastest. 

herm1978

Trilateralus said:

herm1978 said:

Trilateralus said:

Tri-Sentinel said:

Trilateralus said:

Seriously hazard tiles had a negligible effect on my matches and there are numerous characters that could be used to counter them. 

//Removed Insult -Brigby

Please elaborate.

As others have mentioned the damage from the explosive tiles could be mitigated by Quake or they could be overwritten by characters like Star Lord or Cap. The shield tiles were generally weak and could be flipped or stolen by Medusa, Wasp or Loki or just destroyed by 3* Captain Marvel. Admittedly the AP steal tiles were a pain that only served to slow matches down but that was merely inconvenient rather than game breaking. With a little strategy all the hazard tiles were easily dealt with but it seems as though a lot of players don’t consider any strategy other than trying to brute force their way through. 

Or perhaps not everyone have every character fully covered and at max level?

I don’t have every character fully covered and max levelled so I’m not sure what your point is. I haven’t seen a single person say they didn’t have a character that would have helped, just complaints about how hazard tiles aren’t neutral. Or the thing that lead to my initial post that hazard tiles don’t add strategy. Hazard tiles do nothing but add strategy but due to the existing problems with the PVE structure people only focus on what let’s them win fastest. 

If no one said it then it isnt true? I know for sure that when I dont have a maxed Medusa and Grocket then PVP at a certain level gets a bit annoying, doesnt mean that I run to the forums complaining that I dont have them champed though.

The hazard tiles never got annoying enough for me to hate the event before day 3, but if you find the collapsing mines just "adds strategy", then I dont know what to say. I dont have enough passive damage on my high levels to power through it regardless of losing 1+ ap every turn.