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  • Unknown
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    NorthernPolarity wrote:
    No they wouldn't. My solution is to revert the point values/rubberbanding scheme back to what it was before the fix. This means that everyone who plays the current sub will be able to rubberband back to the current sub leader who is at 8k points or whatever.
    Might not work out well either. If that causes the event to roll over within the next few hours to a new rubberband, a lot more players will be facing an insurmountable lead.
  • Spoit
    Spoit Posts: 3,441 Chairperson of the Boards
    NorthernPolarity wrote:
    The correct solution to this problem would probably just be to revert back to the old point/rubberbanding values, and increase the progression award thresholds to compensate. I'm guessing this happened because they were predicting total points based off of how many points each subevent was expected to give out, and since they doubled the length of the sub, they had to half the points given out so that they wouldn't overshoot the progression award thresholds. The problem of simply reverting back to old point/rubberbanding values is that progression rewards would be trivial to get, but they can just modify those values to fix this issue. Unless the system somehow is automated to do this, in which case I have no idea whats going on.
    It's probably not easy for them to change the progression reward values midevent, at least, not without having a good chance to screw something else up.

    Really, the fairest (and easiest) solution would be to just restart it tomorrow from scratch. Trying to get the legacy points working is just a recipe for something else to get all kittied up.

    Plus didn't he say they needed a restart to fix that scaling thing that hit a few people upthread anyway?
  • Unknown
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    NorthernPolarity wrote:
    No they wouldn't. My solution is to revert the point values/rubberbanding scheme back to what it was before the fix. This means that everyone who plays the current sub will be able to rubberband back to the current sub leader who is at 8k points or whatever.
    What about those that didn't know any better and did some battles with the 75% loss in points before realizing the situation?
  • Unknown
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    gobstopper wrote:
    What about those that didn't know any better and did some battles with the 75% loss in points before realizing the situation?
    Or those currently holding off, missing out on a refresh that the players currently at the top will be getting, increasing their advantage even more?
  • Unknown
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    gobstopper wrote:
    NorthernPolarity wrote:
    No they wouldn't. My solution is to revert the point values/rubberbanding scheme back to what it was before the fix. This means that everyone who plays the current sub will be able to rubberband back to the current sub leader who is at 8k points or whatever.
    What about those that didn't know any better and did some battles with the 75% loss in points before realizing the situation?

    At this point, no matter what they do, someone is getting hosed. The best solution is a restart. The problem is, Demiurge's trying to clever their way out of it, and every second they try, more people are digging themselves deeper.
  • Unknown
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    To me, the only fair option would be to just hit the reset button and restart the event.

    Everyone keeps what they already earned as token compensation.

    Just restart it now to avoid 6 days of frustration, anger, resentment and complaining.

    You know it makes sense.
  • Mawtful
    Mawtful Posts: 1,646 Chairperson of the Boards
    Wow.

    Weighing in:
    Event needs a do-over, scrap everyone's points and start again.

    If that doesn't happen, I may have to trot out the old "I'm not mad, just disappointed" line. No-one wants that. No-one.
  • Unknown
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    Dr Spaceman wrote:
    Just restart it now to avoid 6 days of frustration, anger, resentment and complaining.

    Nah, that comes standard with every event. icon_e_wink.gif
  • Unknown
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    Since I have not started and are afraid to, are there first time completion bonuses?
  • Unknown
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    j12601 wrote:
    Dr Spaceman wrote:
    Just restart it now to avoid 6 days of frustration, anger, resentment and complaining.
    Nah, that comes standard with every event. icon_e_wink.gif
    We got there pretty early this time though. icon_e_wink.gif
  • Unknown
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    Mawtful wrote:
    Wow.

    Weighing in:
    Event needs a do-over, scrap everyone's points and start again.

    If that doesn't happen, I may have to trot out the old "I'm not mad, just disappointed" line. No-one wants that. No-one.
    That line gets repeated ad nauseum during every event already
  • IceIX
    IceIX ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 4,322 Site Admin
    Case studies to keep in mind:
    A) User has 2500 points. Main bracket leader is at 9000, sub bracket leader is at 6000.
    Result - User will get rubber banding kicking in allowing at latest next refresh to make up much of the deficit to the 6000 player. The 6000 player will not have rubber banding *and* the reduced pins, so will be unable to continue springing ahead with the same lead. This goes for the 9000 main bracket leader as well.

    B) User has 2500 points. Main bracket leader is at 9000, sub bracket leader is at 3000.
    Result - User doesn't need rubber banding for sub bracket and the sub bracket will thus offer no real points. *However*, unlike Sim Challenge, this Event has pins in the main chapter which would be subject to points gains compared to the leader who would not gain these. The user would be able to largely if not totally catch up here as a result depending on the leader's play schedule.

    The chances of a best-case for some users complete Event reset, point wipe, or some kind of point delta change is unlikely. Worst case for some users, everything stays as is. With normal play schedules for most affected users, they'll be able to make up the gap through either sub event or main event rubber banding. It may not be necessary to make any further changes as a result. That being said, still looking into things, waiting on a designer and an engineer at the moment.
  • Unknown
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    So in uther words do nothing just play as is, is the answer here?
  • Unknown
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    IceIX wrote:
    Case studies to keep in mind:
    A) User has 2500 points. Main bracket leader is at 9000, sub bracket leader is at 6000.
    Result - User will get rubber banding kicking in allowing at latest next refresh to make up much of the deficit to the 6000 player. The 6000 player will not have rubber banding *and* the reduced pins, so will be unable to continue springing ahead with the same lead. This goes for the 9000 main bracket leader as well.

    B) User has 2500 points. Main bracket leader is at 9000, sub bracket leader is at 3000.
    Result - User doesn't need rubber banding for sub bracket and the sub bracket will thus offer no real points. *However*, unlike Sim Challenge, this Event has pins in the main chapter which would be subject to points gains compared to the leader who would not gain these. The user would be able to largely if not totally catch up here as a result depending on the leader's play schedule.

    The chances of a best-case for some users complete Event reset, point wipe, or some kind of point delta change is unlikely. Worst case for some users, everything stays as is. With normal play schedules for most affected users, they'll be able to make up the gap through either sub event or main event rubber banding. It may not be necessary to make any further changes as a result. That being said, still looking into things, waiting on a designer and an engineer at the moment.

    As always, thank you for the excellent communication, Ice. That said, I'm not sure the "hey, it's not that bad!" reply works. Those who got tinykittied may have to work much harder to make up that 9000 points, and based on THEIR play schedules, may still fall short of the three covers. If you DON'T reset and just tell everyone it will be all right, then ANY players who got caught in this massive tinykitty-up who DON'T get Daken covers are going to be mighty aggrieved.

    If, in the end, you don't reset the event, the luddites among us would like a very, very clear design or mechanics reason why you didn't.
  • mags1587
    mags1587 Posts: 1,020 Chairperson of the Boards
    Chimaera wrote:
    Since I have not started and are afraid to, are there first time completion bonuses?

    Nope.
  • Unknown
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    edited May 2014
    IceIX wrote:
    Case studies to keep in mind:
    A) User has 2500 points. Main bracket leader is at 9000, sub bracket leader is at 6000.
    Result - User will get rubber banding kicking in allowing at latest next refresh to make up much of the deficit to the 6000 player. The 6000 player will not have rubber banding *and* the reduced pins, so will be unable to continue springing ahead with the same lead. This goes for the 9000 main bracket leader as well.

    B) User has 2500 points. Main bracket leader is at 9000, sub bracket leader is at 3000.
    Result - User doesn't need rubber banding for sub bracket and the sub bracket will thus offer no real points. *However*, unlike Sim Challenge, this Event has pins in the main chapter which would be subject to points gains compared to the leader who would not gain these. The user would be able to largely if not totally catch up here as a result depending on the leader's play schedule.

    The chances of a best-case for some users complete Event reset, point wipe, or some kind of point delta change is unlikely. Worst case for some users, everything stays as is. With normal play schedules for most affected users, they'll be able to make up the gap through either sub event or main event rubber banding. It may not be necessary to make any further changes as a result. That being said, still looking into things, waiting on a designer and an engineer at the moment.
    You have to keep in mind that by being so far behind, both User A and User B might have to shift their schedules such that their lives revolve around playing a game for the next week. Further, they will have to deal with scaling which may result in the highest point nodes being impossible for them, and as such they actually would not be able to catch up even if the points theoretically allowed for it.

    Your case studies would hold much more water if A) difficulty levels remained consistent throughout the event, and B) rubberbanding and node reset rules were transparent and not variable. But clearly from the past few PvEs, many people get completely scaled out by mid-event, and this time there is added uncertainty with the global point target for each sub.
  • Unknown
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    IceIX wrote:
    Case studies to keep in mind:
    A) User has 2500 points. Main bracket leader is at 9000, sub bracket leader is at 6000.
    Result - User will get rubber banding kicking in allowing at latest next refresh to make up much of the deficit to the 6000 player. The 6000 player will not have rubber banding *and* the reduced pins, so will be unable to continue springing ahead with the same lead. This goes for the 9000 main bracket leader as well.

    B) User has 2500 points. Main bracket leader is at 9000, sub bracket leader is at 3000.
    Result - User doesn't need rubber banding for sub bracket and the sub bracket will thus offer no real points. *However*, unlike Sim Challenge, this Event has pins in the main chapter which would be subject to points gains compared to the leader who would not gain these. The user would be able to largely if not totally catch up here as a result depending on the leader's play schedule.

    The chances of a best-case for some users complete Event reset, point wipe, or some kind of point delta change is unlikely. Worst case for some users, everything stays as is. With normal play schedules for most affected users, they'll be able to make up the gap through either sub event or main event rubber banding. It may not be necessary to make any further changes as a result. That being said, still looking into things, waiting on a designer and an engineer at the moment.

    What about those who join late?

    C) User has 2500 points. Main bracket leader is at 3000, sub bracket leader is at 3000.

    Alliance is hosed.
  • Spoit
    Spoit Posts: 3,441 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2014
    ^ EDIT: that too^
    IceIX wrote:
    Case studies to keep in mind:
    A) User has 2500 points. Main bracket leader is at 9000, sub bracket leader is at 6000.
    Result - User will get rubber banding kicking in allowing at latest next refresh to make up much of the deficit to the 6000 player. The 6000 player will not have rubber banding *and* the reduced pins, so will be unable to continue springing ahead with the same lead. This goes for the 9000 main bracket leader as well.

    B) User has 2500 points. Main bracket leader is at 9000, sub bracket leader is at 3000.
    Result - User doesn't need rubber banding for sub bracket and the sub bracket will thus offer no real points. *However*, unlike Sim Challenge, this Event has pins in the main chapter which would be subject to points gains compared to the leader who would not gain these. The user would be able to largely if not totally catch up here as a result depending on the leader's play schedule.

    The chances of a best-case for some users complete Event reset, point wipe, or some kind of point delta change is unlikely. Worst case for some users, everything stays as is. With normal play schedules for most affected users, they'll be able to make up the gap through either sub event or main event rubber banding. It may not be necessary to make any further changes as a result. That being said, still looking into things, waiting on a designer and an engineer at the moment.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole point of the complaining that the rubberbanding was wiped out when the sub goal was extended? So that they couldn't, in fact, catch up as they were expecting to?
  • Bacon Pants
    Bacon Pants Posts: 1,012
    The leader in my sub has more points (9000) than the leader in my main has (8000). I have 3000 in the the sub, so yea...I'll gladly take a complete reset or some serious rubberbanding.
  • NorthernPolarity
    NorthernPolarity Posts: 3,531 Chairperson of the Boards
    Are there repeatable nodes in the main bracket? I was under the impression that thrre wasnt, in which case the rubber gained from the main bracket should be negligible.

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