S.H.I.E.L.D. Training, and 'Rogue and Friends' Vault (9/27/17)

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  • Zobaken
    Zobaken Posts: 26 Just Dropped In
    Borstock said:

    Some players have been playing a lot longer than other players. Some players have been supporting the game with their $ more than other players. Some players will continue to support the game more with $ than other players.

    All players are NOT equal.
    We have enough dividers for players already, there is no need to increase its amount with stupid restrictions.
  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,744 Chairperson of the Boards
    Zobaken said:
    Borstock said:

    Some players have been playing a lot longer than other players. Some players have been supporting the game with their $ more than other players. Some players will continue to support the game more with $ than other players.

    All players are NOT equal.
    We have enough dividers for players already, there is no need to increase its amount with stupid restrictions.
    Players being more advanced because they've been playing longer or have spent more money are not stupid restrictions. They're the way life works.
  • Lucifier
    Lucifier Posts: 244 Tile Toppler
    Rick OShay said:
    If some rewards are impossible for you to attain, these rewards were not 'for you' in the first place. 

    I go to a football game and enjoy the experience in normal seats. Some of you would go, and be angry at the stadium for making skybox seating available to a select few...  Hey, enjoy the game.

    Glad to have Rogue in game, and I appreciate the effort and rewards from this unexpected event.

     
    well they can make it like, all nodes if you don't have for example 5* Daredevil at level 550 then you can not play the nodes (all of them).

    basically it will be impossible for almost all players to get any rewards at all, but that not apply the excuse of 
    "If some rewards are impossible for you to attain, these rewards were not 'for you' in the first place."

    that mean the event is badly designed.

    for me, I am not asking to get the high rewards, but at least let me get half of the rewards, or 35% of them, not just 400 iso (and i have 48 4* char).
    i can not be top1 or top5 or top 10 in PVP or PVE, and that's fine (also i can not hit 900 points in PVP, still fine), but it will not be fair, if for example only get like 400 iso from each PVP or PVE.

    for me 400 iso, is like zero rewards.
  • Zobaken
    Zobaken Posts: 26 Just Dropped In
    edited September 2017
    Borstock said:

    Players being more advanced because they've been playing longer or have spent more money are not stupid restrictions. They're the way life works.
    This particular restriction wasn't always implemented. We've been pretty good without it before and I fail to see any reason for it except screwing people over and milking their wallets.
  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,744 Chairperson of the Boards
    Zobaken said:
    Borstock said:

    Players being more advanced because they've been playing longer or have spent more money are not stupid restrictions. They're the way life works.
    This particular restriction wasn't always implemented. We've been pretty good without it before and fail to see any reason for it except screwing people over and milking their wallets.
    The idea that the devs brainstorm ideas to ruin your day is absurd. The idea that they brainstorm ideas to get people to spend more money is why they're a for-profit company and not an amusement charity.
  • Zobaken
    Zobaken Posts: 26 Just Dropped In
    edited September 2017
    Borstock said:

    The idea that the devs brainstorm ideas to ruin your day is absurd. The idea that they brainstorm ideas to get people to spend more money is why they're a for-profit company and not an amusement charity.
    Such ideas should be implemented right and with great consideration. This situation does not look like "implemented right and with great consideration".
  • cpeyton3535
    cpeyton3535 Posts: 256 Mover and Shaker
    If the Anniversary is supposed to be a celebration of the game it makes very little sense to me to launch an event that limits a pretty large portion of your player-base from really enjoying it.  I don't expect to be handed a new 4* cover.  But being told I basically have to spend $400 dollars to get it is, well, insulting. 

    I'll focus on the HoD placement reward avenue to get my Rogue cover(s) and that's fine, nothing has really changed from that perspective.  It just makes the SHIELD Training event seem kind of pointless and therefore a wasted opportunity.
  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,744 Chairperson of the Boards
    cpeyton3535 said:
    If the Anniversary is supposed to be a celebration of the game it makes very little sense to me to launch an event that limits a pretty large portion of your player-base from really enjoying it.  I don't expect to be handed a new 4* cover.  But being told I basically have to spend $400 dollars to get it is, well, insulting. 

    I'll focus on the HoD placement reward avenue to get my Rogue cover(s) and that's fine, nothing has really changed from that perspective.  It just makes the SHIELD Training event seem kind of pointless and therefore a wasted opportunity.
    Does it even have the Anniversary banner on it?
  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,744 Chairperson of the Boards
    Zobaken said:
    Borstock said:

    The idea that the devs brainstorm ideas to ruin your day is absurd. The idea that they brainstorm ideas to get people to spend more money is why they're a for-profit company and not an amusement charity.
    Such ideas should be implemented right and with great consideration. This situation does not look like "implemented right and with great consideration".
    Seems to me it was implemented right and with great consideration. You just don't like it.
  • cpeyton3535
    cpeyton3535 Posts: 256 Mover and Shaker
    Borstock said:
    cpeyton3535 said:
    If the Anniversary is supposed to be a celebration of the game it makes very little sense to me to launch an event that limits a pretty large portion of your player-base from really enjoying it.  I don't expect to be handed a new 4* cover.  But being told I basically have to spend $400 dollars to get it is, well, insulting. 

    I'll focus on the HoD placement reward avenue to get my Rogue cover(s) and that's fine, nothing has really changed from that perspective.  It just makes the SHIELD Training event seem kind of pointless and therefore a wasted opportunity.
    Does it even have the Anniversary banner on it?
    Fair point.  Not officially an Anniversary event.  Still misses the mark in my opinion.  A chance to get more players engaged but I really don't think it's going to do that.  It's just a head-scratcher, I'm struggling to understand what they were really aiming at.
  • Zobaken
    Zobaken Posts: 26 Just Dropped In
    edited September 2017
    Borstock said:

    Seems to me it was implemented right and with great consideration. You just don't like it.
    Seems to me that I'll have better chances of talking with a brick than you. "You just don't like it" is the least credible argument that I can imagine.
  • Jaedenkaal
    Jaedenkaal Posts: 3,357 Chairperson of the Boards
    aesthetocyst said:
    Jaedenkaal 
    Actually ( Yondu notwithstanding) every 4* released with true healing since Wolverine has had -at least- average health. Including Mr F, when he had true healing. Actually they've all had average health, except TA Hulk, who has huge health (but a terrible heal)

    By average, I actually mean the most common. I guess it's probably not the "average". Mode health? 

    13995 at 270, I think.

    So actually, ONLY Daken, Daken, Patch, X-Force, and Yondu have below-average health. (Ok, OML and Phoenix are in the low end of 5* health as well)
    Every 4 since xfw is .... Every 4!

    And the true healers all have low to average
    health, except Cho, whose heal is more about charging tiles. Good catch.
    Sure. My point is that the "healers get less health" thing is an out-moded concept.
  • thedarkphoenix
    thedarkphoenix Posts: 557 Critical Contributor
    edited September 2017
    The people complaining about this are just being ridiculous.  This game is all about progression, drip fed progression UNLESS you are willing to drop massive cash.


    If you have been playing the games only a couple months you shouldn't expect to be able to hop into any event and get a character for JUST having a cover. And most people that have been playing over a year or so probably can pull this off with no problem unless they are just unlucky. Which happens when RNG is involved 

    I'd like the maxed out reward also, but its just not feasible for me any any way possible so more power to the next man that can get it.


    But the fact that they are even giving you a chance to EARN rogue one of the most highly requested characters outside of pve and the only thing you have to have is some investment in other characters is pretty great.

    For the longest people complained about how those that didn't level and roster they're characters have been a a huge advantage over those that do. Now that's changed, and I'm glad to see it. It only makes sense.


    But people are really coming in here complaining about not having a 4 star thats required or not having it at a level requirement. Like really?  pretty much free iso, and a cover and your upset because there is a barrier that you can't breeze through?


    I truly don't get it. This was actually done really well.  And I hope it continues for all new character releases, so start rostering and leveling up your characters instead of sitting on 50000k iso 1500cp and 500 LT's.


  • Killians8
    Killians8 Posts: 134 Tile Toppler
    I don't have a problem with them limiting some rewards behind roster progress, but the fact that they locked all three of the required characters away with vaulting for several months means many people like myself who were just starting to build a roster of 4s had no reliable way of even RNGing some covers for Prof X, Cyke, and XWolvy. 

    Wolvy is champed for me, and the other two can't get past level 90 due to being undercovered. 

    They could have gated this by simply making those nodes hard enough to reflect the difficulty of not have your characters high enough. You would at least be able to take a crack at it with your pathetic characters. Kind of like the Crash of the Titans where I can at least take a shot at Beast with my two covered, level 90 Cho. I still can't beat it, but every once in a while you can play and luck your way into a win in those fights. 

    It would still be pretty gated away simply by using difficulty, but with perseverance and some luck, you might be able to progress further if you at least have them rostered. In addition, D3 may get you to eat health packs for your attempts which some might spend $$ on to replenish.

    Summary: Not upset with some gating, this has always been part of the design in a good way, but it could have been in a better way I think.
  • ZeiramMR
    ZeiramMR Posts: 1,357 Chairperson of the Boards
    Something to be aware of: with more X-Men inbound, we may be looking at more runs of this event tailored to them. Which could mean having level-gates for other characters like Iceman and Jean Grey too.

    I don't mind the level-gates for other characters besides the featured character. To me it falls in the same problem space of DDQ: how to increase rewards in tiers for players to not give a flat increase across the board which is too small for the better rosters or too large for the earlier rosters. But putting the Rogue nodes with marks reaching those levels as part of a release is bad design. I don't think we would complain ( rightfully complain instead of base forum levels :smile: ) if this debuted as a recurring season event that focused on established characters first. It would even be a way to intice players to not soft-cap. 
  • Tintaiwan
    Tintaiwan Posts: 172 Tile Toppler
    Comparing this to the last similar event with Ghost Rider and Kingpin, this is disappointing to say the least. 

    It has been said by a lot of people already, but geesh, required characters make it unplayable for so many people.  Then adding level requirements makes it even more exclusive.  

    I don't know if I can say that it is definitively profiteering as some have, but limiting potential rewards so strictly is painful.   
  • InfernosEnforcer
    InfernosEnforcer Posts: 24 Just Dropped In
    My only problem is the level requirments. At day 923 my Prof- X is only at 4/2/1 which means I can get right to the reward node but not actually do it. I don't care about the Rogue nodes they are clearly not for me, but considering I cannot remember them haveing done a level requirement node before I don't understand why they would implement that now. And I guess it also doesn't make sense to me why they limited the characters you could use instead of allowing you to choose out of all of the X- Men characters in game. At least my 1 cover Phoenix could have replaced him.
  • Codetry
    Codetry Posts: 12 Just Dropped In
    edited September 2017
    Which is funny that they are not boosting  pulls from professor x, wovern or cyclps..if you dont have all you are screwed

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