Progression Reward Changes in Versus Tournaments (7/20/17)

whitecat31

akidnamedpoo said:

AlexxKats said:

I should add that since this is your trial run during the off-season event, I will not be participating. make sure you count how many players won't even bother with that stupid idea, especially from the veteran land. So your "numbers" can get a bit weight.

Too bad i can't flag a moderator's post as abusing. Cause that's how this feels.

Oh please get over yourself, not everyone is doing slice 4 that they're done after 13 matches, some of us are grinding away hopping in other slices just to try and hit 1200. 

I'm a veteran player as well and will participate in this... Not everyone shares your mindset so don't speak for everyone like you're trying to lol 

A veteran player would know that shards 1 and 3 are almost as competitive as shard 4.    Shard 2 can even be competitive.  Shard 5 is a different story. Do you play only in shard 5 akidnamepoo? 

mpqr7

It's very weird. I generally do matches for 60+ points. So that's around 20 matches to get to 25 cp total. Now, I'll need twice as many wins to get to NOT 25 cp? In my mmr, generally hitting 1200+ points barely even gets you to top 100. So squeezing that down to top 10 takes it away from most of us.

I would like this if the wins bonus was on top of the existing progression prizes. But I don't think it's an improvement as a replacement. My PVP matches are all championed 5*s. They take forever and are dreadful. I'm not looking forward to doing twice as many for even less prizes.

fmftint

Brigby said:

The CP that was originally the final progression reward will be allocated to the top 10 placement ranks.

We found that there were actually more players that reached top 10 compared to 1200 points, so moving it to placement will actually end up awarding it to more people! 

You need to fire whoever is doing your data analysis because they frequently come to flawed conclusions 

Jathro

Me: O.J. being paroled is the dumbest decision to be made today. 
D3: hold my beer

Chrono_Tata

fmftint said: 

Brigby said:

The CP that was originally the final progression reward will be allocated to the top 10 placement ranks.

We found that there were actually more players that reached top 10 compared to 1200 points, so moving it to placement will actually end up awarding it to more people! 

You need to fire whoever is doing your data analysis because frequently come to flawed conclusions 

This. In the slices I get put into, there are generally 30-50 people getting 1200+. I'm sure in less competitive slices, the numbers are a lot less. So with this system even though more people overall would get the 15CP rewards, they would be distributed to players who are in less competitive slices, while the people who actually play a lot to try to get higher points but happen to be put in a competitive slices will be missing out.

While I'm not opposed to the idea of progression rewards being based on total wins rather than points (actually it was an idea some players had come up previously), but the requirement is way too **** high. Since the change to PvE progression requirement, this game has become way more grindy as it is. This is going to make it even worse. This is the kind of changes that will cause people to burn out and drop the game.

Brigby

Hi Everyone. Please keep in mind that this is still just a test run. The developers will be reviewing the feedback after the event is over, and making any necessary adjustments after that.

cooperbigdaddy

@Brigby

I bet if you got rid of the skip tax, everyone would love this change.

Im not going to expect one way or the other. I'll try it out and see what I think then.

fun_and_gun

Brigby said

The CP that was originally the final progression reward will be allocated to the top 10 placement ranks.

We found that there were actually more players that reached top 10 compared to 1200 points, so moving it to placement will actually end up awarding it to more people! 

this will be great for players like me that bracket snipe at the end of the event and land in t10 with only a few wins

fmftint

Brigby said:

Hi Everyone. Please keep in mind that this is still just a test run. The developers will be reviewing the feedback after the event is over, and making any necessary adjustments after that.

Actually they should be reviewing the feedback BEFORE they roll out this disaster,  while they still have time to tweak it

sinnerjfl

Brigby said:

Hi Everyone. Please keep in mind that this is still just a test run. The developers will be reviewing the feedback after the event is over, and making any necessary adjustments after that.

This is not an attack on you Brigby, but I cannot take what you just said seriously. We had a 60+ page thread of feedback on Vaulting which is still ignored to this day.

Our feedback is mostly ignored for the most part as it as always been.

Justice Jacks

This is almost too good to be true.  I was just dreaming on the toilet this morning, as my leg was going numb from sitting there so long on a 1300 pt climb in PVP, that it would be really great if D3 came out with another OML-esque nerf, but this time they were on a crystal meth/PCP cocktail, and that the change would be sufficiently disruptive to force me off this game.

On a related note, pretty sure I'll be able to solve our climate change issues within 3 years with all the time for researching and inventing this will free up.  So I guess a big ol' thanks to the developers for caring so much about the future of our species.

shwebsi

I'm pretty sure that in nearly 3 years of playing this game at a reasonably "high level" I've never come close to winning 40 matches in a PvP event. I wouldn't play 40 matches even if the reward at the end was that 15 CP, now my usual ~25-30 matches (which used to be enough to get 1200 in a BAD event) isn't even close to good enough to getting a **** 4* cover that matters precisely **** to my roster? Now it gets me a 3* cover which means even less than ****?

What's the lesson here? Don't play smarter, just sink more and more **** hours into this game? Are the PvP-only players not playing enough? Do they need to match the amount of time PvE players put in? What about those of us who play both? Don't we play enough of this **** game already? If you want to even out the amount of time the different players put into the game, **** make the rewards better, don't just increase the play time without increasing the rewards. 

Meander

Brigby said:

Hi Everyone. Please keep in mind that this is still just a test run. The developers will be reviewing the feedback after the event is over, and making any necessary adjustments after that.

You heard him everyone. #Boycottdivinechamps

BlackIC

40 wins...waaayyy tooo steep.  I, however, appreciate the effort to improve PvP!

DyingLegend

When I try to play a pvp event right from the start, I can push to 400 and then  I'm at the top and I cant really gain any points. Then I wait a whole day and push to 800 only to have to wait again to push higher bc the points dry up. I never play for placement I play for progression. So now right from the start I can rail off as many wins as I want, lose a ton while I sleep and win a ton the next day and have the 4 star in no time. Don't see a tremendous problem here as a player who doesn't care about placement.

I just think it will be a lot better then going into a game at 890, selecting a 30 point match, finishing the game losing 150 points in the process and having to constantly battle back and forth for 900. 

DarthDeVo

I guess after 1.25 years playing, I'm still not doing PvP right. I have no idea how people are playing matches worth only 45 points or more. Usually once I get past 575 or so, they're all around 30 points, no matter how much I skip. 

I have no idea how many matches I play to get to 900 right now. It probably is less than 40, but probably not by much. Although, this is the first season I'm consistently hitting that mark, so I don't have a lot of experience to base this off of.

My current strategy is to climb in one shot at an off-peak time so as to reduce the need to shield multiple times. If it switches to a flat 40 wins, I'll probably switch to just playing a little here and there over the course of the event. 

One thing I'm definitely considering a positive though is that I believe the 4* cover was set to be X-23's red. I hope that's still the case, because my 5/1/4 desperately needs it. (EDIT: Nevermind, she's placement in DC, her red should be progression in the second off-season event, where the current PvP system will be reinstated.)

Overall, I'm tentatively excited. I can't count the number of times I've walked away saying PvP is a wasteland of hopes and dreams because no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get to 900. In those cases, I probably easily played 40 matches total. 

SnagglePuss

Dear Brigby 

Sometimes in my overcrowded PvP brackets, 2k just about keeps me in t25. I understand that this isn't good enough and I should aim to hit 3k+ to hit t10, but I feel this is a little unfair and may affect my QoL. 
Please advise, yours faithfully. 

KinDM

It's all been said before in the thread, but the only way this is good is if MMR is busted wide open and 5* rosters can pick off everyone else easily. Otherwise, 40 matches? This is bad, and the devs should feel bad :zoidberg:

Stax the Foyer

INT. DEMIURGE OFFICES

demiurge_rugen:  "How high should we set the threshold for the four-star cover?"

demiurge_humperdinck:  "I got this one."




demiurge_rugen:  "Not to 50!"

demiurge_humperdinck:  "Fine, 40.   You're no fun."

Moon Roach

It looks like the same 5 people I keep seeing in my queue are going to be somewhat unhappy with the double-quadruple-octuple-tapping that I'll have to do now for the 4* cover.