**** Nick Fury (Director of S.H.I.E.L.D) ****

NorthernPolarity

dkffiv wrote:

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Moon 17 wrote:

Fury is the 4* I'm currently leveling, but he's also the only real one I have covered (XF is done, IW doesn't count). If I had TGT I'd be doing her first, but that doesn't render him useless. I think there's plenty of reason to cultivate a deep roster, and having color coverage options is always nice. If the ultimate end-game is going to be a land of 4* characters, then there's just as much reason to level multiple 4* characters as there was to level multiple 3* characters. And being the 3rd best 4* character (or 4th, if Starlord ends up being competitive) isn't really that bad.

Color coverage options would be nice, but X-Force / LadyThor are so much better than Fury that it doesn't even matter if the featured character conflicts directly with either one: they'd still be better than running Fury in that tournament.

Cultivating a deep 3* roster is rewarding because you know that the character is going to be featured in PvP / PvE. 4*s on the other hand, never get featured outside of their release tournament, and in random things like children of the atom. Given that it's 2.5x the iso to max a 4* compared to a 3*, there is no compelling reason right now to max a 4* besides XF / Ladythor unless you wanted to play them on a B team in PvE.

If you don't have a 4hor, AP boosted Fury may be your best option for trying to hit 1k to gain Thor covers. CMags is really good but I think Fury does a better job dealing with 4hor (I used to alternate between those two before I had 4hor, and back then there weren't many people with her maxed). I hate using the Hood with Xforce because if you don't have a strong featured your color coverage sucks and a board with no green/black can take forever to win.

If you do not have 4or + XF, then Fury is a decent option (albeit a pretty expensive one). I remember thinking that he wasn't really that much better than SexMagnet on offense (better than them on defense). The OP said that he did have XF / Ladythor, so that's why I recommended that he bench Fury.

Unknown

Fury just isn't very good for PvP because he tends to grind out his victory due to his very slow speed and that's not the kind of thing you're looking for in PvP. In defense he can be surprisingly difficult but you can just go with someone who is always difficult like X Force, or even a support character like Loki or The Hood who is always difficult to everyone but X Force (and if they have X Force they're not worried about Fury anyway). From the way his game goes, he should really have true healing switched with X Force in terms of capabilities. That is, amongst 4*s you got X Force with superior offense compared to anyone, so he should have the least tanking capability since he ends up taking the least damage. Thor has fairly modest offense for a 4* in general (but not in PvP, she's top tier there due to ease of getting Smite combos) so she has exceptional health to make up for that. Fury is supposed to be somewhere in between but in reality he just ends up taking like 3-4K damage per fight and that's too dangerous to go to the next fight against a strong team so it becomes a major health pack drain. It'd make a lot of sense if Avengers Assemble true healed in some way instead of Recovery in terms of balance, or at least put a very large amount of damage absorb because Fury needs a lot of time to get going.

dkffiv

Fury also has the problem of almost always tanking all 3 of his colors.

Dartmaster01

You guys have been a big help. I've decided to stockpile iso for either the next useful 4* or to bring the most useful 3*s to lvl 110.
But i'll prob. just horde it.

Unknown

Dartmaster01 wrote:

You guys have been a big help. I've decided to stockpile iso for either the next useful 4* or to bring the most useful 3*s to lvl 110.
But i'll prob. just horde it.

I agree, thanks for the help. Will save my iso.

Spoit

Eh, if you have the covers already, it's probably still worth the ISO to at least get him on par with 3*s, like 200 or so.

Quebbster

Very useful thread. My Fury is now level 172, but I might hold off on leveling him further. I have a fully covered X-force but only 3 Thor covers...

Unknown

I just leveled mine to 270. I use him quite often - he's better than I expected. He is a good combo for x-force if you don't have girl thor. Thora + Xforce are probably the best combo in the game right now, but Fury is still solid. Fury combos well with Punisher/Torch and Spidey/Daken as my "B-team" when multiple events are going on.

Unknown

I would level up Fury purely because the AI can use him much better than 4 Thor on defence. And it'll only be a matter of time before people realise that 4Thor isn't that hard to kill if you have 4 stars of your own. You won't defeat her quickly but she poses much less of a threat to you than Fury.

Every time I see a xforce/4Thor... I see FREE points! I've won more points on defence with Fury/xforce than I have 4Thor/xforce... the only time I lost to xforce/4Thor is cause xforce got black AP before me.

The thing with facing xforce/Thor as long as you deny red and black, you're generally golden. When faced with Fury/xforce, this becomes a much harder choice over what to deny the opposing team, cause all three of fury's abilities can hurt you, with his blue being capable of outright killing most characters. Then his yellow sometimes is fired off by the AI over xforce's recovery, and here if the Ai has been saving up a few AP of various colours has the potential to seriously hurt you as it has a fair cascade potential in itself. And if that happens, your team is pretty much out!

You'll find more people skipping a Fury/Xforce team than a 4Thor/Xforce team... As the first team has the potential to create cascades from five abilities! whereas the latter combo can only potentially cause cascades from xforce's three abilities

Although Fury is easier to take out than 4Thor, he actually poses a much greater and deadlier threat

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skydivearcher wrote:

Although Fury is easier to take out than 4Thor, he actually poses a much greater and deadlier threat

This is insufficient as a defense criteria unless you're sure everyone else is aware of this. From what I can tell, Thor is greatly overrated on defense and Fury is greatly underrated on defense, and since nobody is winning 50% of the time on defense, this means it doesn't matter if people mistakenly attack your Fury over Thor because 50% win rate at 25 points per game means you come out behind. Unless they make it so that you can't back out of your matches, a lot of this game is trying to figure out what irrational thing everyone else you're playing is thinking and I'm quite sure the vast majority of players just don't think Fury is that tough even though he is indeed quite strong on defense, and you still give up the offense too as he's very hard to protect on offense due to his color coverage (he usually gets all his colors).

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Phantron wrote:

skydivearcher wrote:

Although Fury is easier to take out than 4Thor, he actually poses a much greater and deadlier threat

This is insufficient as a defense criteria unless you're sure everyone else is aware of this. From what I can tell, Thor is greatly overrated on defense and Fury is greatly underrated on defense, and since nobody is winning 50% of the time on defense, this means it doesn't matter if people mistakenly attack your Fury over Thor because 50% win rate at 25 points per game means you come out behind. Unless they make it so that you can't back out of your matches, a lot of this game is trying to figure out what irrational thing everyone else you're playing is thinking and I'm quite sure the vast majority of players just don't think Fury is that tough even though he is indeed quite strong on defense, and you still give up the offense too as he's very hard to protect on offense due to his color coverage (he usually gets all his colors).

I don't actually use fury on offense, much like I don't use 4Thor on defense. They cover two very different bases. I use 4Thor to defeat stuff and then when I'm done for the time being I go and switch 4Thor for Fury and leave him on defense. You don't actually have to fight with Fury to have him on defense. Just switch him into your active team.... I usually lose points in verese event because I'm using an active team for the story event or I forgot to switch to my defensive team.. So I don't actually use fury when in a match, I just use him on defence or in story mode against annoying AI team combos I need someone defeated fast.

The reason as I explained earlier is Fury has two abilities which can cause cascades. his blue and yellow. His blue is a nightmare to fight because you suddenly run the risk of killing one of your team if you make the wrong move unless you using someone with over 11000 health. Now his yellow is unreliable in damage but if the AI has some degree of other colour AP, he can either stun one of your team for 3 turns, or cause a cascade because of the hawkeye or hulk component of the power. The thing is with cascades is it gives the person who triggered it a rather moderate to big boost in AP which can feed other abilities. This is the risk factor with fighting Fury.

4Thor can not cause cascades of her own, so yeah her power is much more direct and you can see it coming. With her charge tiles you can actually use them to your own advantage. Fury's trap tiles you can't see and you make that match to fire off that ability you need to finish off someone or kill the team could potentially kill the character you are trying to make the match on. With fighting 4Thor you don't worry about her matching blue because you can use the charge tiles yourself, with Fury you worry about him matching blue! (especially if its rank 5)

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skydivearcher wrote:

I don't actually use fury on offense, much like I don't use 4Thor on defense. They cover two very different bases. I use 4Thor to defeat stuff and then when I'm done for the time being I go and switch 4Thor for Fury and leave him on defense. You don't actually have to fight with Fury to have him on defense. Just switch him into your active team.... I usually lose points in verese event because I'm using an active team for the story event or I forgot to switch to my defensive team.. So I don't actually use fury when in a match, I just use him on defence or in story mode against annoying AI team combos I need someone defeated fast.

The reason as I explained earlier is Fury has two abilities which can cause cascades. his blue and yellow. His blue is a nightmare to fight because you suddenly run the risk of killing one of your team if you make the wrong move unless you using someone with over 11000 health. Now his yellow is unreliable in damage but if the AI has some degree of other colour AP, he can either stun one of your team for 3 turns, or cause a cascade because of the hawkeye or hulk component of the power. The thing is with cascades is it gives the person who triggered it a rather moderate to big boost in AP which can feed other abilities. This is the risk factor with fighting Fury.

4Thor can not cause cascades of her own, so yeah her power is much more direct and you can see it coming. With her charge tiles you can actually use them to your own advantage. Fury's trap tiles you can't see and you make that match to fire off that ability you need to finish off someone or kill the team could potentially kill the character you are trying to make the match on. With fighting 4Thor you don't worry about her matching blue because you can use the charge tiles yourself, with Fury you worry about him matching blue! (especially if its rank 5)

I really don't think the average guy thinks that much. I know Fury is harder to deal with than Thor, but it doesn't do you any good if other people don't know that. It's not enough that you know that, because you're not attacking yourself. If people know Thor is easy to attack, it'd be awfully hard to climb with Thor because it's just not easy to climb when you everyone's hitting you, but Thor obviously climbs okay so it implies people must be looking for someone else instead. Also, your ability to defend against the best players usually doesn't matter much because if they're at all unsure they'd just run with some iso 8 boosts and then you wouldn't have to worry about losing to anyone barring a catastrophe, so it's really how well you match up against the guys slightly below you. Again, it doesn't matter if Fury is stronger against say a 2X166 team than Thor, because as long as your opponent doesn't think that, getting hit at all is going to put you in a worse position. I guess if you're going to be shielded then you could switch to Fury at the end, but it's probably a bit too greedy to expect to gain meaningful amount of points on defense with a shield, and if the goal is just to hold your score it doesn't matter who you have on defense while you're shielded.

Quebbster

skydivearcher wrote:

Phantron wrote:

skydivearcher wrote:

Although Fury is easier to take out than 4Thor, he actually poses a much greater and deadlier threat

This is insufficient as a defense criteria unless you're sure everyone else is aware of this. From what I can tell, Thor is greatly overrated on defense and Fury is greatly underrated on defense, and since nobody is winning 50% of the time on defense, this means it doesn't matter if people mistakenly attack your Fury over Thor because 50% win rate at 25 points per game means you come out behind. Unless they make it so that you can't back out of your matches, a lot of this game is trying to figure out what irrational thing everyone else you're playing is thinking and I'm quite sure the vast majority of players just don't think Fury is that tough even though he is indeed quite strong on defense, and you still give up the offense too as he's very hard to protect on offense due to his color coverage (he usually gets all his colors).

I don't actually use fury on offense, much like I don't use 4Thor on defense. They cover two very different bases. I use 4Thor to defeat stuff and then when I'm done for the time being I go and switch 4Thor for Fury and leave him on defense. You don't actually have to fight with Fury to have him on defense. Just switch him into your active team.... I usually lose points in verese event because I'm using an active team for the story event or I forgot to switch to my defensive team.. So I don't actually use fury when in a match, I just use him on defence or in story mode against annoying AI team combos I need someone defeated fast.

The reason as I explained earlier is Fury has two abilities which can cause cascades. his blue and yellow. His blue is a nightmare to fight because you suddenly run the risk of killing one of your team if you make the wrong move unless you using someone with over 11000 health. Now his yellow is unreliable in damage but if the AI has some degree of other colour AP, he can either stun one of your team for 3 turns, or cause a cascade because of the hawkeye or hulk component of the power. The thing is with cascades is it gives the person who triggered it a rather moderate to big boost in AP which can feed other abilities. This is the risk factor with fighting Fury.

4Thor can not cause cascades of her own, so yeah her power is much more direct and you can see it coming. With her charge tiles you can actually use them to your own advantage. Fury's trap tiles you can't see and you make that match to fire off that ability you need to finish off someone or kill the team could potentially kill the character you are trying to make the match on. With fighting 4Thor you don't worry about her matching blue because you can use the charge tiles yourself, with Fury you worry about him matching blue! (especially if its rank 5)

Defense teams are event specific. In order to put Fury on your defensive team, you need to win a game with him on your team.

simonsez

Phantron wrote:

I'm quite sure the vast majority of players just don't think Fury is that tough even though he is indeed quite strong on defense

But won't they figure this out as soon as the attack one and eat a couple of demolitions?

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Quebbster wrote:

Defense teams are event specific. In order to put Fury on your defensive team, you need to win a game with him on your team.

If that's what you want to believe. My allience mates tell me otherwise when the few times they seen me pop up. They had always seen fury on my team unless I'm in the middle of a story event. I almost never use Fury for Verses to attack another player.

No way for me to confirm or deny it as the chances of finding myself on another account is going to be very small. All I do know is when I get points from being attacked, when I check my team, it's always had Fury in it. And as I said I never use him to attack another player unless Lazy-thor or patch are the essential.

Quebbster

skydivearcher wrote:

Quebbster wrote:

Defense teams are event specific. In order to put Fury on your defensive team, you need to win a game with him on your team.

If that's what you want to believe. My allience mates tell me otherwise when the few times they seen me pop up. They had always seen fury on my team unless I'm in the middle of a story event. I almost never use Fury for Verses to attack another player.

No way for me to confirm or deny it as the chances of finding myself on another account is going to be very small. All I do know is when I get points from being attacked, when I check my team, it's always had Fury in it. And as I said I never use him to attack another player unless Lazy-thor or patch are the essential.

Well, that's how IceIX has said it works, and I trust him to have a decent understanding of how the game works.
Also, how do you "check your team" when you get attacked?

hurcules

skydivearcher wrote:

Quebbster wrote:

Defense teams are event specific. In order to put Fury on your defensive team, you need to win a game with him on your team.

If that's what you want to believe. My allience mates tell me otherwise when the few times they seen me pop up. They had always seen fury on my team unless I'm in the middle of a story event. I almost never use Fury for Verses to attack another player.

No way for me to confirm or deny it as the chances of finding myself on another account is going to be very small. All I do know is when I get points from being attacked, when I check my team, it's always had Fury in it. And as I said I never use him to attack another player unless Lazy-thor or patch are the essential.

Is your IGN skydivearcher too? I'll keep a look out the next time I see you in PvP.

Unknown

I have an X Force (250), Goddess (200) and Fury (200)
I find Fury useful in Sim, where i use all three
with the first two most of ppl would go for a 4* that uses purple/yellow mostly
Fury has a decent attack for a purple skill and yellow charged tiles make his yellow more achievable, so add to the already blue 4 stun attack a yellow with an aoe stun if you have enough colours collected, is really not bad

But there's no denial he's (depending perspective over Dino to escare of ppl) the 3rd 4* to put iso on

Unknown

Would you rather level Fury or Star Lord? I'm looking mostly for PVP purpose since both are solid PVE options... I'm wondering who is the 3rd best 4* now? Obviously, it's not Elektra

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WesFaram wrote:

Would you rather level Fury or Star Lord? I'm looking mostly for PVP purpose since both are solid PVE options... I'm wondering who is the 3rd best 4* now? Obviously, it's not Elektra

Definitely Fury.

Star Lord is conceptually decent, but in practice he's pretty terrible.