New Store - Heroes for Hire (4/11/17)

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  • D4Ni13
    D4Ni13 Posts: 745 Critical Contributor
    Claypigeon said:
    Hmmmm, 
    Could the offers be based on the levels of your teams champions as per standard leveling?

    So far in my alliance only players who have lvl 300+ characters seem to be getting the 3600 offer, everyone else seems to be getting the 2500. 

    I am a VIP, have my top lvl 270 (several 5* heroes) and I still got the 3600 offer. Up until now, there wasn't found any connection on how this offers appear. 
  • GrumpySmurf1002
    GrumpySmurf1002 Posts: 3,511 Chairperson of the Boards
    optimus2861 said:
    Let me see here. 2500 HP. So roughly $20-$25 Canadian, at the Logan's Loonie price point.

    For one 4* cover. Of 13 needed.

    Of one 4* character. Of 40+ in the game.

    And don't forget the 365K iso to level the character.

    Are the devs completely out to lunch? Do they really think that 1/13 of 1/40 of the 4* tier is worth $20'ish? Meaning they value the entire tier at over $10,000 if you were to direct-buy it all? (Plus the ISO!)

    Sigh. Cash grab. Plain & simple. No sale.
    Considering the price of a 4* cover before they moved to 120CP was 2500HP, I'm gonna say yes, they think 1/520th of the 4* tier is $20.  And people bought them by the truckload back then.

    At least there's other stuff now with it.
  • D4Ni13
    D4Ni13 Posts: 745 Critical Contributor
    edited April 2017
    I would only use this feature for C4rol, because she is my favorite and I want her, and only at a low price (2500 HP). So I feel that other people would feel the same about this. Only use it for their favorite heroes. 

    I don't understand the decision of 2 separate offers and I feel cheated that I got the bigger offer, because I'm not getting too much stuff for it. I agree that the best solution is to let people decide what offer they want. 
  • sinnerjfl
    sinnerjfl Posts: 1,276 Chairperson of the Boards
    Heh guess what, its another overpriced garbage store/vault!

    3600hp (roughly ~25$) for one 4* cover (the rest is pretty meaningless), no thanks hahahaha.
  • ahunter5
    ahunter5 Posts: 5 Just Dropped In
    Just had a small change to my sale page:  Initially the last item was a gray SHIELD symbol that said "no bundles available" or something like that.  Now the symbol is gone and I have a Moon Knight icon that's telling me that Moon Knight will be available in 20H.  Just interesting that it changed that quickly.  Could it be possible that the price points will correct themselves and everyone will end up having the same cost soon?
  • JVReal
    JVReal Posts: 1,884 Chairperson of the Boards
    killerkoala said:
    in the bottom there was a tab to see upcoming offers, game reset and now their gone. it was HB and after that medusa for me.

    BTW i'm rank 97 (cost 3600 HP) had 4* IF (needed green offered Blue) + 4 (3*) + 4 elites + 10k iso +  and 3CP

    The should be working on making colorless covers instead of weird offers (vintage Heroic and now limited sales)
    I'm rank 87, this is the exact same offer I have.  I already have 10 covers in my queue that I can't use that are dying on the vine.  6 OBW black... I need one more purple to champ her and use the other covers... I've already had to sell 3 of her covers while waiting for this elusive purple. I have Quake Green (Bonus Hero) while my Quake sits at 5/4/3. I have a Riri Red cover while Riri sits at 1/5/3, I have Wasp Blue while Wasp sits at 3/5/3, and I have Winter Soldier Red while WS sits at 4/2/5.  Colorless covers can't come fast enough.

    This vaulting sucks, I'm pulling duplicates faster than ever on characters I can't champ because they are the wrong covers.

    Already had to sell a couple Blades (4/5/3) and a couple Coulsons (1/2/5).  Not working out real well for me this whole vaulting thing.
  • Straycat
    Straycat Posts: 963 Critical Contributor
    I'm confused. I'm only seeing Danny Rand, no other 4*s. 3600 hp cost.

    My highest champ is at 286

    1000 hp is what I have spent on 4*s from previous vaults, mainly because I was sitting on >5000 hp. The most I would spend is probably 1500, but I would rather try my luck with bonus heroes even at 1/5/5 since there's no rush to champ vaulted characters. What were in those 7 day vaults? For the same price we are getting less 2 stars but more iso and cp, but the previous vaults were too expensive too. It's nice for people that don't have the behemoth characters to have a way to get them, but I won't be buying.
  • Syleye
    Syleye Posts: 26 Just Dropped In
    Yeah interesting idea but I am holding to my stance that this company gets 0 money from me until they fix their mistakes (OML) and all the various bugs including the instability causing crashes.
  • Starfury
    Starfury Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    WEBGAS said:
    Remember when 2500hp was the cost for a single 4* cover?....Yes, then you could chose the colour you wanted while now you don't, but I still think that 2500hp are worth a 4*+4000iso+1cp

    3600hp?  No, thanks
    Then again, when those prices were originally set, there were no 5* and far fewer 4*. 4* covers have severely depreciated in value due to this.
  • DesertTortoise
    DesertTortoise Posts: 392 Mover and Shaker

    There appears to be four groups people are falling into:

    • 3.6K, see the entire cycle
    • 3.6K, see just today
    • 2.5K, see the entire cycle
    • 2.5K, see just today
    The 3.6K vaults have more iso/tokens/cp, so there is 'value' there, but we are unsure why different people are falling into different groups. If it's A/B testing, I think it'd be more fair to let the players choose which of the vaults they want. I really hope they throw everyone into the third group and move on. 
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    Starfury said:
    WEBGAS said:
    Remember when 2500hp was the cost for a single 4* cover?....Yes, then you could chose the colour you wanted while now you don't, but I still think that 2500hp are worth a 4*+4000iso+1cp

    3600hp?  No, thanks
    Then again, when those prices were originally set, there were no 5* and far fewer 4*. 4* covers have severely depreciated in value due to this.
    You can make that (very logical) argument, but demi doesn't agree.  They continue to treat 4*covers almost as if they had the same value as they did in may 2015 when IMHB was released.  They are only slightly more available from regular play (pve prog cover, and top 10/top 5 covers in pve/pvp respectively).  And they cost 3x more than they used to for direct buy (relative to the cost of 3* covers).  

    You may think it's stupid, and i certainly do, but demi wants us to think that 4* covers are about as precious as ever.
  • smkspy
    smkspy Posts: 2,024 Chairperson of the Boards
    And vaulting adds to that artificial scarcity in their outlook.

    Problem is, no matter how much they spin that, it doesn't change our opinions that it is not 2015 and there are nearly 50 4 stars in the game.
  • Infrared
    Infrared Posts: 240 Tile Toppler
    To be fair, HP is also more easily obtainable now than in the past.
  • DesertTortoise
    DesertTortoise Posts: 392 Mover and Shaker
    Right, isn't HP way more abundant now than it was back when covers were 2,500HP? I'm far from a whale or really event a vet, but I get around 150/200HP a day just doing PvE T50 and PvP to 725. 
  • Khanwulf
    Khanwulf Posts: 103 Tile Toppler
    I have the 3600 HP price, and while a handful of 3*, a 4* and some ISO and CP are mildly appealing, it would need to cost < 2000 to be attractive. HP is "roster slot" currency and until I have enough banked to slot everyone not yet acquired, it will at best be trickled off for the occasional 100 HP discount.

    The appeal for a specific 4*, to certain people, could be there. If this was Peggy, or Iceman, or Carol, or some of the others then my feelings might be stronger. As it is, this offering is a gigantic MEH and fails to really motivate much anticipation for its future rotation, even.

    3600 HP is a huge chunk of change. For LESS than that kind of money (2900 HP) you get two months+ of VIP: 4 Legendary Tokens; 12 Heroic (call it 10 2* and 2 3* heroes); 1400 HP; 9 CP; and 20,000 ISO. Further! You also get 25% faster healing rate and auto-intercepts, which are both major time savings. 

    So. Delayed gratification for the trickle of VIP rewards? Versus paying 25% more for: 3 fewer 4*s, 1 more 3*, 6 fewer 2*, 10000 less ISO, 1400 less HP and 6 less CP. Also no shot at 5*s, no health [pack?] implication and no intercept (ISO) implication.

    Demiurge must really value immediate gratification if they think this is appealing. Keep in mind MPQ plays best if the players plan forward, save and pace themselves, since it takes vast amounts of TIME over many, many events to complete heroes. So what market are you targeting again? Not MPQ players. You want to sell more HP? Make what is purchased equitable across the currency.

    As a marketing professional I can say your deal sucks. Please let them know, Brigby, and welcome back from the migration.

    --Khanwulf


    PS. Also as a marketing professional I weep literal tears because Demiurge does not use their survey popup tool weekly.


  • Magic
    Magic Posts: 1,199 Chairperson of the Boards
    Vhailorx said:
    You can make that (very logical) argument, but demi doesn't agree.  They continue to treat 4*covers almost as if they had the same value as they did in may 2015 when IMHB was released.  They are only slightly more available from regular play (pve prog cover, and top 10/top 5 covers in pve/pvp respectively).  And they cost 3x more than they used to for direct buy (relative to the cost of 3* covers).  

    You may think it's stupid, and i certainly do, but demi wants us to think that 4* covers are about as precious as ever.
    Slighthly more available is not really true. In a week a dedicated player gets about 5 pulls from Classic legendary store. Good for 5 4* covers. So it's almost a 4* cover a day. Add in the progression cover in PvE and we are looking at 7 covers per 7 days of regular play. Back in the day most players needed luck with token pulls to get a 4* cover.

    Today they are slightly less common than 3* but the acquisition rate is rather high.
  • dramatist
    dramatist Posts: 226 Tile Toppler
    I wonder if tomorrow the Hulkbuster offer will change from 4 elite tokens to 4 specific 3*s. 
  • Philly484
    Philly484 Posts: 173 Tile Toppler
    The only problem I see is that this doesn't allow you to choose the color. I have most of all the 4's champed. Except for new ones like Danny, but I don't have use for this blue cover so the vault is wasted on me. If I could choose the color then I'd be more apt to purchase, but as it stands I'll get classic characters as they come up in packs. They transitioned the game to 5*, but left there 3's and 4's to bite the dust so to speak.

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