Power Gem Season Updates *Updated (4/6/17)

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  • Ayasugi-san
    Ayasugi-san Posts: 116 Tile Toppler
    Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise.
    Right, we're supposed to put all our eggs in the latest twelve baskets instead. Or the latest three in the case of 5*s.
  • byc
    byc Posts: 297 Mover and Shaker
    5* Thanos nerf is definitely coming in the future if OML was.  3* Thanos might get nerfed since it clears nodes so quickly.
  • Style55
    Style55 Posts: 180 Tile Toppler
    My OML is 0/0/0, yet I'm scared because my favorite characters could be nerfed to oblivion because I use them too often. By design, this game rewards players who win matches quicker than their competitors. We use the popular characters because if we don't win quickly, we'll drop in ranking. Next nerf could be a character I use, and that could be when I call it quits.

    Fix the system! Reward us for winning a match with unpopular characters and we will do that. Allow us to convert a character to another, preserving every iso and cover, and we will tolerate all of your rebalancing.
    MTE. I'm worried my Lv 186 3* Dr Strange will eventually have get hit with the nerf bat too. Also you're totally right about the game rewarding players who win faster (sup PVE).
  • SummerGlau
    SummerGlau Posts: 1,027 Chairperson of the Boards
    Carnage actually looks intriguing

    lets just assume next run of venom bomb he'll have red
  • Adrock1020
    Adrock1020 Posts: 44 Just Dropped In
    fmftint said:
    No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. 
    You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well
    It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. 
  • snlf25
    snlf25 Posts: 947 Critical Contributor
    fmftint said:
    No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. 
    You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well
    It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. 
    RNG much? I've had to throw away a dozen red Novas and even more red Spider-Gwens and I've still not pulled one single Kingpin black.  What in the world does you law of averages logic have to do with a luck based system?
  • Ratboy
    Ratboy Posts: 10 Just Dropped In
    TTSB said:
    Can I just say I think it's funny that almost no-one has mentioned Elektra? Are we sure Shadow Step wasn't buffed as well? 
    I hope they fixed it so the traps do damage when they are matched instead of at the end of your opponents turn.
  • lokiagentofhotness
    lokiagentofhotness Posts: 192 Tile Toppler
    Vhailorx said:
    Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters. 
    C'mon, this is ridiculous.  There are some players that invested iso in OML within the last two weeks.  Have they "won enough with [their] over powered character"? 

    And why do you get to define what it means to be a "true fan"? 

    And why is OML overpowered?  Those people with all the 5*s agree that he is no longer one of the best 5*s.  Those players with decent OMLs and lots of 4* champs generally use boosted 4* champs in PVP.  Anyone with a single 5* champ (OML or anyone else) HAS to use that champ in all hard PVE and PVP nodes because of scaling MMR. 

    There doesn't seem to be a lot of logic or sense behind your post.  Just vitriol based in the (incorrect) belief that having OML is an "easy" button for the game.  Maybe it was in November 2015.  But that hasn't been true for about a year. 
    No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity.
    I have a level 486 OML and a 483 Phoenix, my next closest is SS at 476, and then almost every other 5star either at 450+ level or not champed and useless. This cause I chose to pull Classics for a long while instead of changing to latest - why should I be punished for that choice now and barely compensated? I think BB is a better character than OML, but I don't have him at a high enough level so I can't play him. Give me a 5star for every OML cover I have (That's 49) and then we'll talk.
  • JHawkInc
    JHawkInc Posts: 2,582 Chairperson of the Boards
    My point was more that, whether or not you agree with their reasoning, we got a lengthy defense of the oml nerf from the devs, but no such comment on Carnage. Since I use Carnage a lot. I was just hoping we could at least get an explanation.
    Not that I think all changes necessarily need "defending", it would be nice to hear some of the thought process behind why a character was chosen to be changed, and why the presented changes were chosen. Wouldn't even need to be as long as like, the Marvel.com articles when they release new characters. Just a bit of what went on behind the scenes to result in the change.
  • killerkoala
    killerkoala Posts: 1,185 Chairperson of the Boards
    They don't  care how we feel about OML nerf; all they care about now is that we have to buy health packs to play.
  • Adrock1020
    Adrock1020 Posts: 44 Just Dropped In
    snlf25 said:
    fmftint said:
    No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. 
    You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well
    It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. 
    RNG much? I've had to throw away a dozen red Novas and even more red Spider-Gwens and I've still not pulled one single Kingpin black.  What in the world does you law of averages logic have to do with a luck based system?
    That's a pretty microscopic example in the grand scheme of things. Obviously there is going to be some pretty unique examples of RNG among the millions of players playing. Just know that there's probably someone out there that's sold off a dozen black kingpins and hasn't pulled a single red nova. That's what RNG is. Random Number Generator. It's gambling. Rolling the dice. Pick a card, any card. The results always even out across the board, though. It's math.
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 5,649 Chairperson of the Boards
    random numbers only "even out across the board" if the sample size is large enough.  Most players have a few dozen 5* covers at most.  That's much too small a sample size to correct for statistical noise. 
  • Adrock1020
    Adrock1020 Posts: 44 Just Dropped In
    edited April 2017

    Vhailorx said:
    Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters. 
    C'mon, this is ridiculous.  There are some players that invested iso in OML within the last two weeks.  Have they "won enough with [their] over powered character"? 

    And why do you get to define what it means to be a "true fan"? 

    And why is OML overpowered?  Those people with all the 5*s agree that he is no longer one of the best 5*s.  Those players with decent OMLs and lots of 4* champs generally use boosted 4* champs in PVP.  Anyone with a single 5* champ (OML or anyone else) HAS to use that champ in all hard PVE and PVP nodes because of scaling MMR. 

    There doesn't seem to be a lot of logic or sense behind your post.  Just vitriol based in the (incorrect) belief that having OML is an "easy" button for the game.  Maybe it was in November 2015.  But that hasn't been true for about a year. 
    No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity.
    I have a level 486 OML and a 483 Phoenix, my next closest is SS at 476, and then almost every other 5star either at 450+ level or not champed and useless. This cause I chose to pull Classics for a long while instead of changing to latest - why should I be punished for that choice now and barely compensated? I think BB is a better character than OML, but I don't have him at a high enough level so I can't play him. Give me a 5star for every OML cover I have (That's 49) and then we'll talk.
    You're not being punished. You have a bunch of fully covered 5-stars. I think you'll be ok. 
  • areyes81
    areyes81 Posts: 14 Just Dropped In
    fmftint said:
    No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. 
    You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well
    It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. 
    You are naive and clearly don't have a max 5* my oml is lvl 462, that comes from that hard work you spoke of before the 5* pool was diluted and given horrible odds. My next 2 closest is 454 PHX and 451 SS, no other 5* is over 9 covers. Classics are so diluted that I only pull from latest in hopes of covering one before a new one comes out and they get regulated. It took me 1yr to cover 3 5* and at this rate will be 2 yrs before another one is. A diluted pool with horrible draw rates is why OML is popular even though he isn't the best. It's because at that level and MMR and a diluted pool, he is all folks have to survive. Otherwise they sell a max 5* and negate all the effort (and yes for some money) put into having a toon that helps against MMR where 70k Juggernauts in pve with cheap powers and against other OP 5*
  • Adrock1020
    Adrock1020 Posts: 44 Just Dropped In
    Vhailorx said:
    random numbers only "even out across the board" if the sample size is large enough.  Most players have a few dozen 5* covers at most.  That's much too small a sample size to correct for statistical noise. 
    I agree. The people with only a few 5-star covers definitely shouldn't be too upset about the OML nerf because chances are he wasn't usable for them anyway. The players that have 100+ 5 star covers likely have another 5-star or two that are usable besides OML.