Power Gem Season Updates *Updated (4/6/17)
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My OML is 0/0/0, yet I'm scared because my favorite characters could be nerfed to oblivion because I use them too often. By design, this game rewards players who win matches quicker than their competitors. We use the popular characters because if we don't win quickly, we'll drop in ranking. Next nerf could be a character I use, and that could be when I call it quits.
Fix the system! Reward us for winning a match with unpopular characters and we will do that. Allow us to convert a character to another, preserving every iso and cover, and we will tolerate all of your rebalancing.
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Right, we're supposed to put all our eggs in the latest twelve baskets instead. Or the latest three in the case of 5*s.Adrock1020 said:Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise.
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You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as wellAdrock1020 said:No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot.10 -
5* Thanos nerf is definitely coming in the future if OML was. 3* Thanos might get nerfed since it clears nodes so quickly.0
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MTE. I'm worried my Lv 186 3* Dr Strange will eventually have get hit with the nerf bat too. Also you're totally right about the game rewarding players who win faster (sup PVE).StreetPreacher said:My OML is 0/0/0, yet I'm scared because my favorite characters could be nerfed to oblivion because I use them too often. By design, this game rewards players who win matches quicker than their competitors. We use the popular characters because if we don't win quickly, we'll drop in ranking. Next nerf could be a character I use, and that could be when I call it quits.
Fix the system! Reward us for winning a match with unpopular characters and we will do that. Allow us to convert a character to another, preserving every iso and cover, and we will tolerate all of your rebalancing.4 -
Now that the seal is broken and 5* nerfs are on the table who gives a **** about this token store? This massive of a violation of trust can't be overcome no matter what you give in trade.
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Carnage actually looks intriguing
lets just assume next run of venom bomb he'll have red0 -
It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers.fmftint said:
You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as wellAdrock1020 said:No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot.0 -
RNG much? I've had to throw away a dozen red Novas and even more red Spider-Gwens and I've still not pulled one single Kingpin black. What in the world does you law of averages logic have to do with a luck based system?Adrock1020 said:
It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers.fmftint said:
You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as wellAdrock1020 said:No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot.
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Going from a fully covered OML to another 5* with only 8 covers is near-suicide. Even if you have one 450 5*, you get seen by all the people with champed 5*s and get eaten alive.Adrock1020 said:It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers.
People that have OML as one of their only 2 viable 5*s will definitely suffer in PvP.
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The problem is one of return on investment. This game asks a lot of dedicated players. hardcore competitive play requires 2-4 hours of play each and every day. And even then, progress will still be slow. Speeding progress along with money has always been expensive, but the 5* tier and switch to CP for direct cover buys increased the cost by about 6x for 4*s and even more for 5*s.Adrock1020 said:
No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot.Vhailorx said:
C'mon, this is ridiculous. There are some players that invested iso in OML within the last two weeks. Have they "won enough with [their] over powered character"?Adrock1020 said:Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters.
And why do you get to define what it means to be a "true fan"?
And why is OML overpowered? Those people with all the 5*s agree that he is no longer one of the best 5*s. Those players with decent OMLs and lots of 4* champs generally use boosted 4* champs in PVP. Anyone with a single 5* champ (OML or anyone else) HAS to use that champ in all hard PVE and PVP nodes because of scaling MMR.
There doesn't seem to be a lot of logic or sense behind your post. Just vitriol based in the (incorrect) belief that having OML is an "easy" button for the game. Maybe it was in November 2015. But that hasn't been true for about a year.
And now demi is reminding everyone that even AFTER spending all that time and/or money on the game, they can come along at any moment and significantly reduce the value of your prior investment. And the only compensation they give you is that you can throw away all the covers you collected over months or years for less iso than you spent, a few weeks worth of HP, and some more RNG tokens.
That's not to say that Demi can't do this. They have clearly reserved the right to do it in their EULA the whole time this game has been on the market. But I pretty strongly feel that they shouldn't do it. It creates a very strong disincentive for anyone to invest a lot of time or money into the game. I currently have a 0/4/2 5* thanos. I am saving up LTs and CPs with an eye towards cracking them open just before he leaves the LT pool, hoping that I can at least mitigate risk of pulling dupe purples. But should I? Thanos will be used at least as much as OML once more people get him covered. Isn't he likely to be nerfed too? What's the point of scrounging LTs and CPs for a few months to chase a character that is just going to be nerfed in a few months anyway?
And there is also the ugly money component to all this. Obviously MPQ is a business and needs $$ to operate. But in a freemium game every game activity has a real-money price attached. So it's no surprise that players are suspicious about the real-money motivations behind any change. And this particular change looks an awful lot like one targeted at pushing people to chase newer 5* characters and/or buy more healthpacks.
And remember that 5* progression is both completely RNG and substantially harder than 3* or even 4* roster development. If people could get lots and lots of 5* covers, then you would be right to expect that those covers would be evenly distributed and having a usable or champed OML would likely indicate a deep 5* bench.
But that's not true in practice. people just don't get enough 5* covers for the sample size noise to smooth out. Plus there is a bias towards the earliest 5*s, so plenty of players have just 1 or 2 5*s decently covered. My own top 5*s have 13, 11, and 7 covers respectively. You will also see lots of brutally bad RNG luck, like 2/0/5 OMLs that just kill themselves. Or players who have gotten 9 covers of a single color. There are also a bunch of people with OML/Phoenix or OML/SS but nobody else. Their MMR/scaling will force them to keep using their only 5* champs no matter how bad the nerf is. And sometime RNGesus just demands that you put all your eggs in one character no matter what you want. Those players with just a well covered OML will be the most affected by this change. They can either hope the nerf isn't too bad and try to press on with their weaker OML, or sell him and throw away 18 months of work collecting covers and investing iso for maybe $.50 on the dollar.
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I have a level 486 OML and a 483 Phoenix, my next closest is SS at 476, and then almost every other 5star either at 450+ level or not champed and useless. This cause I chose to pull Classics for a long while instead of changing to latest - why should I be punished for that choice now and barely compensated? I think BB is a better character than OML, but I don't have him at a high enough level so I can't play him. Give me a 5star for every OML cover I have (That's 49) and then we'll talk.Adrock1020 said:
No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity.Vhailorx said:
C'mon, this is ridiculous. There are some players that invested iso in OML within the last two weeks. Have they "won enough with [their] over powered character"?Adrock1020 said:Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters.
And why do you get to define what it means to be a "true fan"?
And why is OML overpowered? Those people with all the 5*s agree that he is no longer one of the best 5*s. Those players with decent OMLs and lots of 4* champs generally use boosted 4* champs in PVP. Anyone with a single 5* champ (OML or anyone else) HAS to use that champ in all hard PVE and PVP nodes because of scaling MMR.
There doesn't seem to be a lot of logic or sense behind your post. Just vitriol based in the (incorrect) belief that having OML is an "easy" button for the game. Maybe it was in November 2015. But that hasn't been true for about a year.
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Not that I think all changes necessarily need "defending", it would be nice to hear some of the thought process behind why a character was chosen to be changed, and why the presented changes were chosen. Wouldn't even need to be as long as like, the Marvel.com articles when they release new characters. Just a bit of what went on behind the scenes to result in the change.Bobby_Lishez said:My point was more that, whether or not you agree with their reasoning, we got a lengthy defense of the oml nerf from the devs, but no such comment on Carnage. Since I use Carnage a lot. I was just hoping we could at least get an explanation.1 -
They don't care how we feel about OML nerf; all they care about now is that we have to buy health packs to play.
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That's a pretty microscopic example in the grand scheme of things. Obviously there is going to be some pretty unique examples of RNG among the millions of players playing. Just know that there's probably someone out there that's sold off a dozen black kingpins and hasn't pulled a single red nova. That's what RNG is. Random Number Generator. It's gambling. Rolling the dice. Pick a card, any card. The results always even out across the board, though. It's math.snlf25 said:
RNG much? I've had to throw away a dozen red Novas and even more red Spider-Gwens and I've still not pulled one single Kingpin black. What in the world does you law of averages logic have to do with a luck based system?Adrock1020 said:
It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers.fmftint said:
You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as wellAdrock1020 said:No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot.0 -
random numbers only "even out across the board" if the sample size is large enough. Most players have a few dozen 5* covers at most. That's much too small a sample size to correct for statistical noise.
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You're not being punished. You have a bunch of fully covered 5-stars. I think you'll be ok.lokiagentofhotness said:
I have a level 486 OML and a 483 Phoenix, my next closest is SS at 476, and then almost every other 5star either at 450+ level or not champed and useless. This cause I chose to pull Classics for a long while instead of changing to latest - why should I be punished for that choice now and barely compensated? I think BB is a better character than OML, but I don't have him at a high enough level so I can't play him. Give me a 5star for every OML cover I have (That's 49) and then we'll talk.Adrock1020 said:
No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity.Vhailorx said:
C'mon, this is ridiculous. There are some players that invested iso in OML within the last two weeks. Have they "won enough with [their] over powered character"?Adrock1020 said:Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters.
And why do you get to define what it means to be a "true fan"?
And why is OML overpowered? Those people with all the 5*s agree that he is no longer one of the best 5*s. Those players with decent OMLs and lots of 4* champs generally use boosted 4* champs in PVP. Anyone with a single 5* champ (OML or anyone else) HAS to use that champ in all hard PVE and PVP nodes because of scaling MMR.
There doesn't seem to be a lot of logic or sense behind your post. Just vitriol based in the (incorrect) belief that having OML is an "easy" button for the game. Maybe it was in November 2015. But that hasn't been true for about a year.1 -
You are naive and clearly don't have a max 5* my oml is lvl 462, that comes from that hard work you spoke of before the 5* pool was diluted and given horrible odds. My next 2 closest is 454 PHX and 451 SS, no other 5* is over 9 covers. Classics are so diluted that I only pull from latest in hopes of covering one before a new one comes out and they get regulated. It took me 1yr to cover 3 5* and at this rate will be 2 yrs before another one is. A diluted pool with horrible draw rates is why OML is popular even though he isn't the best. It's because at that level and MMR and a diluted pool, he is all folks have to survive. Otherwise they sell a max 5* and negate all the effort (and yes for some money) put into having a toon that helps against MMR where 70k Juggernauts in pve with cheap powers and against other OP 5*Adrock1020 said:
It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers.fmftint said:
You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as wellAdrock1020 said:No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot.2 -
I agree. The people with only a few 5-star covers definitely shouldn't be too upset about the OML nerf because chances are he wasn't usable for them anyway. The players that have 100+ 5 star covers likely have another 5-star or two that are usable besides OML.Vhailorx said:random numbers only "even out across the board" if the sample size is large enough. Most players have a few dozen 5* covers at most. That's much too small a sample size to correct for statistical noise.0
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