Power Gem Season Updates *Updated (4/6/17)

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  • WEBGAS
    WEBGAS Posts: 474 Mover and Shaker
    edited April 2017
    JHawkInc said:
    WEBGAS said:
    So OML got nerfed......Carnage got nerfed (and with him also the duo Carnage+Medusa) :#
    Elektra seems buffed BUT if you read between the lines....she now convert strike, protect and attack tiles ( very good) , but does not create weak strike enemy tiles so she no longer is useful into facing Koecelius......In my point of view this is a BIG NERF TOO  :s>:)   
    Congrats Devs  You ruined multiple characters in a single shot  :p
    That's not what the change says, though. It doesn't say "Double Double Cross no longer creates enemy strike tiles." It's a straight improvement, because it targets more enemy tiles than it used to. But the creation of enemy tiles, and the improvement to tiles stolen, and the number of tiles stolen (1 at 1 cover, 2 at 3 covers, and 2 +1 if you have a friendly trap tile at 5 covers) should remain unchanged.
    I will wait and see....but due to all the recent changing I fear that I'm right....They just nerfed winfinity 2 times : first overpowering the blue Prof.X power so if you don't keep him low enough he can no longer create purple tile for GSBW....
    Then they changed Scarlet so She no longer convertS basic tiles....if this is not a nerf :(

    Anyway, I am not saying that Elektra was better before....only that she was a key character for a special Boss Battle and now....NO MORE :s

    and  Nerfing Carnage, they are nerfing Medusa too so this was the real object for the hint:

    TWO AT THE PRICE OF ONE :D:D:D   
  • Azoth658
    Azoth658 Posts: 348 Mover and Shaker
    OML - a positive change for the game but a **** situation for many. Totally understand why people are kitty about the it. Yet for many others who don't have OML or don't have a useable one this does stop the match damage tank from being in almost every PvP team you see (at least he's in everyone I see even at level 300 for example)

    Carnage - What a horrible nerf and now I wish I hadn't chased covers and focused so hard on 4cage. I was stoked for rolling pve in the future with 4cage Carnage and Medusa. Oh well time to find a new super team.

    Elektra - Looks positive but not so good that my 200 Elektra will get champed.

    I think the developers should have informed in game when they first started planning this need so people could have stopped spending and chasing then.

    Also whilst understandable annoyed I'd suggest waiting until you see how bad the nerf actually is in game, oh and remember everyone even the other players who used to have those strong OML you were facing have had their OML reduced.

    From a scaling point yes it's super kitty let's hope that shield clearance levels setting scaling makes the caps a lot more sensible and that the rewards are suitable. Maybe players with one OML will be able to play 9 and players with multiple 5 stars will now play 10 and the rewards might have 5 stars in progression and placement. (Unlikely but it's been a long time coming so maybe all clearance levels are being restructured)
  • D4Ni13
    D4Ni13 Posts: 745 Critical Contributor
    Well it's a bit futile to talk about OML changes without the actual numbers, but I think he was a little OP. I only have him at 1/1/0 and I tend to use him in most of my matches just because his yellow is so damn good. 

    As a developer myself, I understand the concerns surrounding his power, and I think a small nerf was indeed required. I just hope they don't break him. 

    As a player, I also understand where this is coming from. Ever since I got his first cover, my only 5* interest was him, and that's not fair to the other 5* heroes. Before that I wanted Black Panther or Strange, but after OML, there was no one as top priority as him. And this is a huge problem in the long run. 

    I get why people are dissappointed, but this may be the best thing to do for the health of the game in the long run. Again, we have to see the numbers to actually be able to make a good decision about it, so lets wait and see what happens :)

  • Yoik
    Yoik Posts: 251 Mover and Shaker

    Shocked by the level at which OML has been treated. I understand you wish people to use a greater spread of characters but the way it has been done is pretty low. Surely you must of taken into consideration how long OML has been available? That must knock off a few percent at least as to why he is so over used. People have been scrimping and saving to acquire him for well over a year. I’ve not spent any money on him personally but I’m aware of many who have. People will just jump onto the next toon that gives them an advantage. That’s the nature of the game right? To win.

     

    I’m not even articulating what I feel succinctly or with enough levels of narkednessness. I’m flabbergasted by it. All the recent changes that have been made are a succession of kicks in-between the proverbial legs. The timing of the forum being moved was…………… excellent touché!

     

    I do not understand why Carnage was touched. I’ve never heard anyone call for him to be changed. He is a nightmare to play against and a nightmare to use. In essence he is carnage and that’s the point of the character. Right? THAT’S THE POINT!!!!!

     

    Elektra I’m unsure of.  I think it’s a positive move to include all special tiles for her purple. I think the red stealing AP is also good. Was the damage increased? If not it should have been a bit at least. Also shadow step could have been made a little cheaper. Overall I’ll be interested to see how she works. I think it may of looked better if we hadn’t been already poked in the eye 3 or 4 times recently.

     

    I’m slowly coming to the conclusion that despite being provided a Forum to air all our thoughts and feedback from positive to negative on the game that they have provided for our amusement, that the Forum is lip service at best.

     

    They will take the game in the direction they feel is best and you either play or you don’t.

     

    I will …………….and that, after my incoherent babble above says it all.

  • rg72
    rg72 Posts: 110 Tile Toppler
    Don't have a usable OML, but do have a champed Carnage, so I'm more pissed at him being nerfed. Completely pointless
  • ClydeFrog76
    ClydeFrog76 Posts: 1,350 Chairperson of the Boards
    Polares said:
    Ok, so OML's yellow has been nerfed into oblivion (or so it seems), but then you don't change the damage he takes from his red ?????

    They really are blatant, aren't they?  Such a disgustingly obvious move.
  • madsalad
    madsalad Posts: 815 Critical Contributor
    edited April 2017
    Change for the sake of change? Is there a long term plan in place by the devs for this game? I honestly feel like it's one change to fix a prior change, to fix a prior change, and no longer term end game for development.

    Siting that someone was on 10% of winning teams is disingenuous and you know it. If you want me to play with other champed 5*s THEN GIVE ME MORE OPPORTUNITY TO GET CHAMPED 5*s!  I cannot play with that which I don't have.
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    Not a fan, a lot of wasted space.
  • Crowl
    Crowl Posts: 1,550 Chairperson of the Boards
    Polares said:
    Ok, so OML's yellow has been nerfed into oblivion (or so it seems), but then you don't change the damage he takes from his red ????? Also his black has been nerfed, why??? You lose a turn when you get those strikes! This can be a big deal (enough so, that might never use those strikes!)

    We still need to see the final numbers, but this looks like an over-nerf AGAIN.

    In my case I don't care that much about Logan, the problem is that a 5 has been nerfed! for no good reason (so now all popular chars are in danger????). Who will be next? Thanos, Bolt, Strange? Soon Thanos will be the new OML. There is a difference though, because Thanos makes you use health packs, so he might not be nerfed because of that, but any char is in danger now! Why should we keep investing tons of time (and money) in this game when we don't have any guarantee that our work won't be for nothing? Can someone answer this question?

    And stop OVER-NERFING for god's sake!

    PS: And Carnage's nerf , **** !!!! He just got nerfed into oblivion! The only real use he had now was his black, and now it doesn't exist anymore! (I guess his damage in his red and black can be super buffed but they changed him for no reason at all!)
    It is possible that Carnage's red might allow him to be more useful in general if the damage is a suitable level for a single target nuke since he won't be hammering his team.

    For it not to be a total nerf, his black needs to seriously widen the gap in strength between the friendly and enemy tiles, it is one thing for the opposing team to get something for free, but if you are having to spend ap to produce these tiles then they need to be strongly in your favour or it will just be easier to ignore the power entirely. Two uses of this power will cost more than Storm's black and the same as blade's purple so with him also creating enemy tiles, him being a 4* vs those being 3*s his should be noticeably improved.


  • Tatercat
    Tatercat Posts: 930 Critical Contributor

    OML – indifferent.  He’s my most leveled (315) and covered 5* at 4/4/3, but with the way they keep pumping out 4*’s, I don’t really see a need anymore to go to the five star level since I don’t care about high level PVP (and I’ve heard enough horror stories from 5* players about what happens to PVE at that level).  I’ll keep taking them and rostering them, but they’re as much a collectible as Bag Man at this point for me.  Cool things to show off, but not something I’ll actually use in most play past the seed matches in Lightening round or a quick clear of the trivial nodes in PVE.

     

    Elektra -  Good change overall.  Not enough to make me drop what I’m doing and go back to finish championing her, but a positive change for the people who did champ her (and maybe some day I'll get to her)  It takes away some of her unique utility against Kaecillis, but they changed him on the last run (passive strike tile generation now) so its not as essential as before anyway.

     

    Carnage – Oddly enough, this is the only one that I feel makes him worse, and hurts the overall game.  The red and green changes are fine, but I really hate that black is no longer passive.  There have been so many releases this past year that take advantage of special tiles in some way - 4* Cage, Medusa, 4*Carol, and his old partner in crime, Mr F - that losing one of the most reliable special tile generators is a big blow to his use.  (I JUST champed Medusa!  Those two are a blast to play together!) With this change, though I see no reason to use him at all (like every other Venom variation), And it actively lessens the effectiveness of other characters.

  • killerkoala
    killerkoala Posts: 1,185 Chairperson of the Boards
    if oml healing is being nerfed, they should increase his base health and also not take damage from his red passive.
  • Nylarx
    Nylarx Posts: 77 Match Maker
    Adrock1020 said:
    It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. 

    Going from a fully covered OML to another 5* with only 8 covers is near-suicide. Even if you have one 450 5*, you get seen by all the people with champed 5*s and get eaten alive. 

    People that have OML as one of their 2 viable 5*s will suffer in PvP. 


  • Adrock1020
    Adrock1020 Posts: 44 Just Dropped In
    snlf25 said:
    fmftint said:
    No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. 
    You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well
    It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. 
    RNG much? I've had to throw away a dozen red Novas and even more red Spider-Gwens and I've still not pulled one single Kingpin black.  What in the world does you law of averages logic have to do with a luck based system?
    That's a pretty microscopic example in the grand scheme of things. Obviously there is going to be some pretty unique examples of RNG among the millions of players playing. Just know that there's probably someone out there that's sold off a dozen black kingpins and hasn't pulled a single red nova. That's what RNG is. Random Number Generator. It's gambling. Rolling the dice. Pick a card, any card. The results always even out across the board, though. It's math.
  • Adrock1020
    Adrock1020 Posts: 44 Just Dropped In

    Vhailorx said:
    Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters. 
    C'mon, this is ridiculous.  There are some players that invested iso in OML within the last two weeks.  Have they "won enough with [their] over powered character"? 

    And why do you get to define what it means to be a "true fan"? 

    And why is OML overpowered?  Those people with all the 5*s agree that he is no longer one of the best 5*s.  Those players with decent OMLs and lots of 4* champs generally use boosted 4* champs in PVP.  Anyone with a single 5* champ (OML or anyone else) HAS to use that champ in all hard PVE and PVP nodes because of scaling MMR. 

    There doesn't seem to be a lot of logic or sense behind your post.  Just vitriol based in the (incorrect) belief that having OML is an "easy" button for the game.  Maybe it was in November 2015.  But that hasn't been true for about a year. 
    No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity.
    I have a level 486 OML and a 483 Phoenix, my next closest is SS at 476, and then almost every other 5star either at 450+ level or not champed and useless. This cause I chose to pull Classics for a long while instead of changing to latest - why should I be punished for that choice now and barely compensated? I think BB is a better character than OML, but I don't have him at a high enough level so I can't play him. Give me a 5star for every OML cover I have (That's 49) and then we'll talk.
    You're not being punished. You have a bunch of fully covered 5-stars. I think you'll be ok. 
  • Adrock1020
    Adrock1020 Posts: 44 Just Dropped In
    areyes81 said:
    fmftint said:
    No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. 
    You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well
    It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. 
    You are naive and clearly don't have a max 5* my oml is lvl 462, that comes from that hard work you spoke of before the 5* pool was diluted and given horrible odds. My next 2 closest is 454 PHX and 451 SS, no other 5* is over 9 covers. Classics are so diluted that I only pull from latest in hopes of covering one before a new one comes out and they get regulated. It took me 1yr to cover 3 5* and at this rate will be 2 yrs before another one is. A diluted pool with horrible draw rates is why OML is popular even though he isn't the best. It's because at that level and MMR and a diluted pool, he is all folks have to survive. Otherwise they sell a max 5* and negate all the effort (and yes for some money) put into having a toon that helps against MMR where 70k Juggernauts in pve with cheap powers and against other OP 5*
    You're confusing naivety with me being unsympathetic. You're right, I don't have a champed 5-star. That doesn't even matter. I do have a bunch of champed 4-stars. If one of them got nerfed, I wouldn't being throwing an online hissy fit demanding compensation and threatening to quit the game. I would just move on to the next character. So....move on to the next character. 
  • Adrock1020
    Adrock1020 Posts: 44 Just Dropped In
    morph3us said:
    fmftint said:
    No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. 
    You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well
    It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. 
    There are three people in my alliance for whom OML is the only championed, or near championed 5* that they have available.  The OML nerf basically throws them all back into 4* land, and they've all been working really hard over the last year to finish off a 5*.  One of them spent 1440CP recently to finish off his OML.

    You're assuming averages, but when you do, you're looking at a bell-curve, and there are going to be people sitting at the wrong end of the curve.  "Probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers" doesn't hold true for a lot of people.
    I have less than zero sympathy for anyone that spends 1440 CP on one character. Back to my original point, it's unwise to put all your eggs (CP) into one basket (character). If you're even capable of hoarding that much CP, you should know by now that this game changes pretty often, and you shouldn't be spending CP on individual covers. It's a horrible ROI. 
  • Nylarx
    Nylarx Posts: 77 Match Maker
    Adrock1020 said:
    It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. 

    Going from a fully covered OML to another 5* with only 8 covers is near-suicide. Even if you have one 450 5*, you get seen by all the people with champed 5*s and get eaten alive. 

    People that have OML as one of their 2 viable 5*s will suffer in PvP. 


  • Adrock1020
    Adrock1020 Posts: 44 Just Dropped In
    snlf25 said:
    fmftint said:
    No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. 
    You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well
    It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. 
    RNG much? I've had to throw away a dozen red Novas and even more red Spider-Gwens and I've still not pulled one single Kingpin black.  What in the world does you law of averages logic have to do with a luck based system?
    That's a pretty microscopic example in the grand scheme of things. Obviously there is going to be some pretty unique examples of RNG among the millions of players playing. Just know that there's probably someone out there that's sold off a dozen black kingpins and hasn't pulled a single red nova. That's what RNG is. Random Number Generator. It's gambling. Rolling the dice. Pick a card, any card. The results always even out across the board, though. It's math.
  • Adrock1020
    Adrock1020 Posts: 44 Just Dropped In

    Vhailorx said:
    Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters. 
    C'mon, this is ridiculous.  There are some players that invested iso in OML within the last two weeks.  Have they "won enough with [their] over powered character"? 

    And why do you get to define what it means to be a "true fan"? 

    And why is OML overpowered?  Those people with all the 5*s agree that he is no longer one of the best 5*s.  Those players with decent OMLs and lots of 4* champs generally use boosted 4* champs in PVP.  Anyone with a single 5* champ (OML or anyone else) HAS to use that champ in all hard PVE and PVP nodes because of scaling MMR. 

    There doesn't seem to be a lot of logic or sense behind your post.  Just vitriol based in the (incorrect) belief that having OML is an "easy" button for the game.  Maybe it was in November 2015.  But that hasn't been true for about a year. 
    No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity.
    I have a level 486 OML and a 483 Phoenix, my next closest is SS at 476, and then almost every other 5star either at 450+ level or not champed and useless. This cause I chose to pull Classics for a long while instead of changing to latest - why should I be punished for that choice now and barely compensated? I think BB is a better character than OML, but I don't have him at a high enough level so I can't play him. Give me a 5star for every OML cover I have (That's 49) and then we'll talk.
    You're not being punished. You have a bunch of fully covered 5-stars. I think you'll be ok.