Power Gem Season Updates *Updated (4/6/17)

enigo me

brigby, offering to switch ALL 5* duplicate covers drawn during the No More Guns token/OML enhanced buyback period would get a LOT of players feeling better about this nerf. Classics are too diluted now for peeps to feel hopeful about finishing their partially covered classic 5*s.

dlegendary0ne

StreetPreacher said:

My OML is 0/0/0, yet I'm scared because my favorite characters could be nerfed to oblivion because I use them too often. By design, this game rewards players who win matches quicker than their competitors. We use the popular characters because if we don't win quickly, we'll drop in ranking. Next nerf could be a character I use, and that could be when I call it quits.

Fix the system! Reward us for winning a match with unpopular characters and we will do that. Allow us to convert a character to another, preserving every iso and cover, and we will tolerate all of your rebalancing.

This is exactly how I feel right now.  It's unfair to punish me for doing what I need to do to win the game you designed.  Especially when I'm not a mega whale and it takes time for me to formulate a strategy based on a mechanic that will change.  It's definitely a heavy blow to the experience when the rules change any time the publishers/developers/whomever aren't happy.

BlackBoltRocks

Yawn about OML

I'm delighted with Elektra's buff. Especially her purple, makes her a great partner for, and great counter to, Wasp. Plus her red stealing purple and black (and red at level 5) gives extra utility, along with being able to place it on black and purple, not just red

areyes81

I don't buy the reason for oml nerf. Clearly the right research wasn't done or all the factors that determine why OML was used the most wasn't considered. 

The compensation is ****. If you are making such a drastic change to a popular toon, especially a 5* that is extremely hard to fully cover then selling him for random tokens is trash. The option to pick the toon and covers that they should go to is a better option rather than relying on RNG only to most likely get covers that are useless like my 1/5/1 BB where I'll get more black covers to trash

snlf25

What's not to understand? With OML in the game we don't buy enough health packs according to their bean counters. Simple mercenary cost/benefit analysis says that the number of players who get pissed and stop spending money will be offset by increased health pack purchases made by other more addicted players. 

killerkoala

they should keep the vault forever  and let us re-roll covers till we get the one we like, for every 5* cover, not just OML.

Adrock1020

areyes81 said:

Adrock1020 said:

fmftint said:

Adrock1020 said:

No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. 

You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well

It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. 

You are naive and clearly don't have a max 5* my oml is lvl 462, that comes from that hard work you spoke of before the 5* pool was diluted and given horrible odds. My next 2 closest is 454 PHX and 451 SS, no other 5* is over 9 covers. Classics are so diluted that I only pull from latest in hopes of covering one before a new one comes out and they get regulated. It took me 1yr to cover 3 5* and at this rate will be 2 yrs before another one is. A diluted pool with horrible draw rates is why OML is popular even though he isn't the best. It's because at that level and MMR and a diluted pool, he is all folks have to survive. Otherwise they sell a max 5* and negate all the effort (and yes for some money) put into having a toon that helps against MMR where 70k Juggernauts in pve with cheap powers and against other OP 5*

You're confusing naivety with me being unsympathetic. You're right, I don't have a champed 5-star. That doesn't even matter. I do have a bunch of champed 4-stars. If one of them got nerfed, I wouldn't start throwing an online hissy fit demanding compensation and threatening to quit the game. I would just move on to the next character. So....move on to the next character. 

Akari

So the strategy is to not only not offer 1:1 covers for the OML, but also to put us at the mercy of RNG? I think it's pretty clear that people have been asking for colorless covers for years for a reason. If I was to sell my OML, get ~9 NMG pulls, and then pull 6 useless classic dupes... what was the point? I've destroyed my roster and gotten next to nothing in return. I don't think that you understand how compensation is supposed to work, because this is absolutely miserable.

I think a fair idea is just to offer the NMG covers without needing to sell OML, and then give extra if we do decide to sell him.

Eec411

blah blah oml nerf...

More importantly, you created a 5* only token... now make it so when we sell a 5* cover, WE GET THAT TOKEN.  No more dead 5* covers, no more begging customer service for cover swaps, just give us another 5*! This gives the players what we've been asking for and your customer service department can actually address real issues!  

Stax the Foyer

1-1 sale with all of the 5*s available wouldn't work, since you could just sell and reopen tokens until you got the exact character you were going for.

BUT

You could create a custom token/store for every 5*character, and selling that cover will give you a token that you can reroll until you get the color you want.  Get a Hawkeye Blue when you already have 5 Blues?  Sell it for an all-Hawkeye token, and hope it gives you a Red.  If you get a Blue again, rinse and repeat.

It simulates colorless covers using existing features, and frees up CS to handle things other than cover swaps.

StreetPreacher

In my previous post I requested "fixing the system" over nerfs. Here's another fix suggestion for the system: Don't allow us to mix characters from different star tiers. The reason OML was so popular was because we were allowed to use him at low covers as a tank for our 2's or 3's. If OML is only allowed to fight other 5's, no nerfs will be required. Players are currently mixing tiers because our competition is doing it as well. I believe mandating 1 tier at a time will make the game more balanced. It will also provide incentive for players with deep rosters to compete at the maximum level they can, because rewards will be commensurate for that level of play. It will also solve the soft-capping exploit.

Pongie

By implementing this then it's no different than re-rolling the token to get what you want.

Maceo511

lokiagentofhotness said:

Adrock1020 said:

Vhailorx said:

Adrock1020 said:

Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters. 

C'mon, this is ridiculous.  There are some players that invested iso in OML within the last two weeks.  Have they "won enough with [their] over powered character"? 

And why do you get to define what it means to be a "true fan"? 

And why is OML overpowered?  Those people with all the 5*s agree that he is no longer one of the best 5*s.  Those players with decent OMLs and lots of 4* champs generally use boosted 4* champs in PVP.  Anyone with a single 5* champ (OML or anyone else) HAS to use that champ in all hard PVE and PVP nodes because of scaling MMR. 

There doesn't seem to be a lot of logic or sense behind your post.  Just vitriol based in the (incorrect) belief that having OML is an "easy" button for the game.  Maybe it was in November 2015.  But that hasn't been true for about a year. 

No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity.

I have a level 486 OML and a 483 Phoenix, my next closest is SS at 476, and then almost every other 5star either at 450+ level or not champed and useless. This cause I chose to pull Classics for a long while instead of changing to latest - why should I be punished for that choice now and barely compensated? I think BB is a better character than OML, but I don't have him at a high enough level so I can't play him. Give me a 5star for every OML cover I have (That's 49) and then we'll talk.

I think you should sell your OML and Phoenix, it'll help reduce your PVE scaling and the limited tokens will assure your scaling says lower.

morph3us

Adrock1020 said:

fmftint said:

Adrock1020 said:

No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. 

You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well

It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. 

There are three people in my alliance for whom OML is the only championed, or near championed 5* that they have available.  The OML nerf basically throws them all back into 4* land, and they've all been working really hard over the last year to finish off a 5*.  One of them spent 1440CP recently to finish off his OML.

You're assuming averages, but when you do, you're looking at a bell-curve, and there are going to be people sitting at the wrong end of the curve.  "Probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers" doesn't hold true for a lot of people.

WEBGAS

So OML got nerfed......Carnage got nerfed (and with him also the duo Carnage+Medusa)
Elektra seems buffed BUT if you read between the lines....she now convert strike, protect and attack tiles ( very good) , but does not create weak strike enemy tiles so she no longer is useful into facing Koecelius......In my point of view this is a BIG NERF TOO    
Congrats Devs  You ruined multiple characters in a single shot 

DFiPL

WEBGAS said:

So OML got nerfed......Carnage got nerfed (and with him also the duo Carnage+Medusa)
Elektra seems buffed BUT if you read between the lines....she now convert strike, protect and attack tiles ( very good) , but does not create weak strike enemy tiles so she no longer is useful into facing Koecelius......In my point of view this is a BIG NERF TOO    
Congrats Devs  You ruined multiple characters in a single shot 

Changing her utility against a boss you might only see once or twice a year is a BIG NERF?

Okay, then.

morph3us

Adrock1020 said:

You're confusing naivety with me being unsympathetic. You're right, I don't have a champed 5-star. That doesn't even matter. I do have a bunch of champed 4-stars. If one of them got nerfed, I wouldn't start throwing an online hissy fit demanding compensation and threatening to quit the game. I would just move on to the next character. So....move on to the next character. 

Here's the difference.  How long does it take you to champ a 4*?  Can you target individual covers to help you champ that 4* in PvE and PvP progression and placement?  Can you target individual 4* covers by drawing from limited time vaults to help you cover them and champ them?

You can't do any of that with a 5*.  It's all at the mercy of RNG, and it takes far, far longer (and far more pulls) to cover a 5*.  So moving on to the next character is fine in theory, but that's often a whole 6+ month hoard away before you can do that.

JHawkInc

WEBGAS said:

So OML got nerfed......Carnage got nerfed (and with him also the duo Carnage+Medusa)
Elektra seems buffed BUT if you read between the lines....she now convert strike, protect and attack tiles ( very good) , but does not create weak strike enemy tiles so she no longer is useful into facing Koecelius......In my point of view this is a BIG NERF TOO    
Congrats Devs  You ruined multiple characters in a single shot 

That's not what the change says, though. It doesn't say "Double Double Cross no longer creates enemy strike tiles." It's a straight improvement, because it targets more enemy tiles than it used to. But the creation of enemy tiles, and the improvement to tiles stolen, and the number of tiles stolen (1 at 1 cover, 2 at 3 covers, and 2 +1 if you have a friendly trap tile at 5 covers) should remain unchanged.

lokiagentofhotness

Maceo511 said:

lokiagentofhotness said:

Adrock1020 said:

Vhailorx said:

Adrock1020 said:

Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters. 

C'mon, this is ridiculous.  There are some players that invested iso in OML within the last two weeks.  Have they "won enough with [their] over powered character"? 

And why do you get to define what it means to be a "true fan"? 

And why is OML overpowered?  Those people with all the 5*s agree that he is no longer one of the best 5*s.  Those players with decent OMLs and lots of 4* champs generally use boosted 4* champs in PVP.  Anyone with a single 5* champ (OML or anyone else) HAS to use that champ in all hard PVE and PVP nodes because of scaling MMR. 

There doesn't seem to be a lot of logic or sense behind your post.  Just vitriol based in the (incorrect) belief that having OML is an "easy" button for the game.  Maybe it was in November 2015.  But that hasn't been true for about a year. 

No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity.

I have a level 486 OML and a 483 Phoenix, my next closest is SS at 476, and then almost every other 5star either at 450+ level or not champed and useless. This cause I chose to pull Classics for a long while instead of changing to latest - why should I be punished for that choice now and barely compensated? I think BB is a better character than OML, but I don't have him at a high enough level so I can't play him. Give me a 5star for every OML cover I have (That's 49) and then we'll talk.

I think you should sell your OML and Phoenix, it'll help reduce your PVE scaling and the limited tokens will assure your scaling says lower.

Okay I'll do that - thanks for the advice Maceo!!

Crowl

Summer Glau said:

Carnage actually looks intriguing

lets just assume next run of venom bomb he'll have red

By intriguing do you actually mean nerfed into oblivion as unless his damage has been increased greatly on his red that one is a hefty nerf, black is a clear nerf unless they have increased the difference in power levels between the friendly and enemy tiles by a lot and the green is about even since it is cheaper but will have much less chance of hitting special tiles. I hope that they will explain their reasoning behind this change as a vaulted mid-tier 4* hardly seems like an ideal candidate for the nerf bat.