Adrock1020 said: Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise.
Adrock1020 said: No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot.
StreetPreacher said: My OML is 0/0/0, yet I'm scared because my favorite characters could be nerfed to oblivion because I use them too often. By design, this game rewards players who win matches quicker than their competitors. We use the popular characters because if we don't win quickly, we'll drop in ranking. Next nerf could be a character I use, and that could be when I call it quits. Fix the system! Reward us for winning a match with unpopular characters and we will do that. Allow us to convert a character to another, preserving every iso and cover, and we will tolerate all of your rebalancing.
fmftint said: Adrock1020 said: No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well
Adrock1020 said: fmftint said: Adrock1020 said: No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers.
Adrock1020 said:It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers.
Adrock1020 said: Vhailorx said: Adrock1020 said: Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters. C'mon, this is ridiculous. There are some players that invested iso in OML within the last two weeks. Have they "won enough with [their] over powered character"? And why do you get to define what it means to be a "true fan"? And why is OML overpowered? Those people with all the 5*s agree that he is no longer one of the best 5*s. Those players with decent OMLs and lots of 4* champs generally use boosted 4* champs in PVP. Anyone with a single 5* champ (OML or anyone else) HAS to use that champ in all hard PVE and PVP nodes because of scaling MMR. There doesn't seem to be a lot of logic or sense behind your post. Just vitriol based in the (incorrect) belief that having OML is an "easy" button for the game. Maybe it was in November 2015. But that hasn't been true for about a year. No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot.
Vhailorx said: Adrock1020 said: Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters. C'mon, this is ridiculous. There are some players that invested iso in OML within the last two weeks. Have they "won enough with [their] over powered character"? And why do you get to define what it means to be a "true fan"? And why is OML overpowered? Those people with all the 5*s agree that he is no longer one of the best 5*s. Those players with decent OMLs and lots of 4* champs generally use boosted 4* champs in PVP. Anyone with a single 5* champ (OML or anyone else) HAS to use that champ in all hard PVE and PVP nodes because of scaling MMR. There doesn't seem to be a lot of logic or sense behind your post. Just vitriol based in the (incorrect) belief that having OML is an "easy" button for the game. Maybe it was in November 2015. But that hasn't been true for about a year.
Adrock1020 said: Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters.
TTSB said: Can I just say I think it's funny that almost no-one has mentioned Elektra? Are we sure Shadow Step wasn't buffed as well?
Adrock1020 said: Vhailorx said: Adrock1020 said: Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters. C'mon, this is ridiculous. There are some players that invested iso in OML within the last two weeks. Have they "won enough with [their] over powered character"? And why do you get to define what it means to be a "true fan"? And why is OML overpowered? Those people with all the 5*s agree that he is no longer one of the best 5*s. Those players with decent OMLs and lots of 4* champs generally use boosted 4* champs in PVP. Anyone with a single 5* champ (OML or anyone else) HAS to use that champ in all hard PVE and PVP nodes because of scaling MMR. There doesn't seem to be a lot of logic or sense behind your post. Just vitriol based in the (incorrect) belief that having OML is an "easy" button for the game. Maybe it was in November 2015. But that hasn't been true for about a year. No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity.
Bobby_Lishez said:My point was more that, whether or not you agree with their reasoning, we got a lengthy defense of the oml nerf from the devs, but no such comment on Carnage. Since I use Carnage a lot. I was just hoping we could at least get an explanation.
snlf25 said: Adrock1020 said: fmftint said: Adrock1020 said: No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. RNG much? I've had to throw away a dozen red Novas and even more red Spider-Gwens and I've still not pulled one single Kingpin black. What in the world does you law of averages logic have to do with a luck based system?
lokiagentofhotness said: Adrock1020 said: Vhailorx said: Adrock1020 said: Hahaha I love this. It's a great day for all the true fans of this game that play it for the character diversity, strategy and real competition. It's a sad day for anyone who unwisely thought they could always just buy their way to the top. And for anyone with a high level OML that thinks they're entitled to some ridiculous compensation, you're out of your mind. You've won enough with your overpowered character. Maybe try winning a match with one of the other 100+ characters. C'mon, this is ridiculous. There are some players that invested iso in OML within the last two weeks. Have they "won enough with [their] over powered character"? And why do you get to define what it means to be a "true fan"? And why is OML overpowered? Those people with all the 5*s agree that he is no longer one of the best 5*s. Those players with decent OMLs and lots of 4* champs generally use boosted 4* champs in PVP. Anyone with a single 5* champ (OML or anyone else) HAS to use that champ in all hard PVE and PVP nodes because of scaling MMR. There doesn't seem to be a lot of logic or sense behind your post. Just vitriol based in the (incorrect) belief that having OML is an "easy" button for the game. Maybe it was in November 2015. But that hasn't been true for about a year. No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. I have a level 486 OML and a 483 Phoenix, my next closest is SS at 476, and then almost every other 5star either at 450+ level or not champed and useless. This cause I chose to pull Classics for a long while instead of changing to latest - why should I be punished for that choice now and barely compensated? I think BB is a better character than OML, but I don't have him at a high enough level so I can't play him. Give me a 5star for every OML cover I have (That's 49) and then we'll talk.
Vhailorx said: random numbers only "even out across the board" if the sample size is large enough. Most players have a few dozen 5* covers at most. That's much too small a sample size to correct for statistical noise.