New Feature: Bonus Heroes! *Updated (3/1/17)

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  • MarkersMake
    MarkersMake Posts: 392 Mover and Shaker
    Crowl wrote:
    It is not just the size of the champion rewards that is the reason for having a broad roster, it is about minimising the chances of wasting covers or being forced to horde for much longer, with a drastically reduced pool of possible covers you are far more likely to end up with lopsided characters where one or two colours are maxed or several end up with max covers at the same time. A reward system where for much of it your best option is to not take your rewards is a deeply flawed system.
    The reason hoarding is an optimal strategy has nothing to do with vaulting. It is a consequence of the cover expiry mechanism.

    Hoarding compresses your pulls into a shorter timeframe so that you have a chance to champ characters before their duplicate covers expire. After all, if covers never expired, people wouldn't bother to hoard at all.

    Vaulting does the same thing - it reduces the expected number of pulls between covers for a particular character. With vaulting, you have a reasonable chance to pull the right colour cover to let you champion a character before the covers you have dying on the vine expire. The odds of that happening with a straight pull from all 4*s is ludicrous.

    The combination of hoarding and vaulting provides much better odds of fully covering a character, and minimizing wasted covers. Do you have to save up ISO first? Well, of course - but that was true before vaulting too.

    Regardless, my post wasn't an attempt to defend vaulting per se (although it has somewhat turned into that). It was an attempt to modify the vaulting system to permit people to exercise greater control over their pulls, and to let them cover the characters they want to develop - not *just* the most recent twelve.
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    moss04 wrote:
    Broll wrote:
    they are developing features for a game people play while they poop...

    Is it normal to poop 2-4 hours a day?
    Depends on your diet
    (Also fixed your quote)

    That statement was in jest at that's what app games largely are. Things people play while waiting for something or in the bathroom or just need to kill time. Most of the people on the forums are people that take it way more seriously than that, but I suspect a large portion of their player-base is in that category.
  • Crnch73
    Crnch73 Posts: 504 Critical Contributor
    I really hope they do some tweaking soon. I have still not gotten a bonus 4* character, and I have unfortunately gotten more than a few Agent Venom covers while trying to get to Moon Knight or Kate Bishop before they left. I also got way too many Riri covers, very few Peggy (she is my only 4* bonus selected, and I only got one of her overall... not from bonus, just as a token pull... and it was the only color I couldn't use). I am assuming this is just my personal experience, as I can't imagine they tilted the odds towards **** characters... but it is still an unfortunate result.

    All in all, I am looking at a whopping 2.2% on bonus heroes, all were 3 stars. Combined with the **** character streak I am on, my experience the last week and a half have not been extremely enjoyable. My only hope is that they keep doing boss events and character release events like we just had for Coulson (and Cho/Antman in the past). If those all go back to the way they were and disappear... It will be very disheartening.

    Boss/Character events, increased token odds of getting good rewards, increased bonus hero odds, more customizable/desirable vaulting to let us have a slight control over roster growth. There is no way we would get all of those, but one or two would really be great.
  • Nellobee
    Nellobee Posts: 457 Mover and Shaker
    Hey, Brigby, any word yet?
  • herm1978
    herm1978 Posts: 153 Tile Toppler
    Something that would help is if we could choose the 4* covers in the taco vault.

    Then we would, at least, be able to get some guaranteed 4* covers every 100 days icon_e_smile.gif
  • El Satanno
    El Satanno Posts: 1,005 Chairperson of the Boards
    broll wrote:
    moss04 wrote:
    Broll wrote:
    they are developing features for a game people play while they poop...

    Is it normal to poop 2-4 hours a day?
    Depends on your diet
    (Also fixed your quote)

    That statement was in jest at that's what app games largely are. Things people play while waiting for something or in the bathroom or just need to kill time. Most of the people on the forums are people that take it way more seriously than that, but I suspect a large portion of their player-base is in that category.

    While I empathize with your sentiment, broll, if that's the case then why is the game being developed heavily with the dedicated crowd in mind? If the casual crowd were the target audience, shouldn't we be seeing more development at that level of play? Like many things around here, these elements don't seem to add up so much.
  • kyo28
    kyo28 Posts: 161 Tile Toppler
    El Satanno wrote:
    broll wrote:
    moss04 wrote:
    Broll wrote:
    they are developing features for a game people play while they poop...

    Is it normal to poop 2-4 hours a day?
    Depends on your diet
    (Also fixed your quote)

    That statement was in jest at that's what app games largely are. Things people play while waiting for something or in the bathroom or just need to kill time. Most of the people on the forums are people that take it way more seriously than that, but I suspect a large portion of their player-base is in that category.

    While I empathize with your sentiment, broll, if that's the case then why is the game being developed heavily with the dedicated crowd in mind? If the casual crowd were the target audience, shouldn't we be seeing more development at that level of play? Like many things around here, these elements don't seem to add up so much.
    Hence my statement earlier that the devs have only the huge whales in mind when tweaking the game and don't think or care about the casual players. That seems pretty obvious to me.

    For the record, I play while I poop. There, I've said it.
  • Crowl
    Crowl Posts: 1,581 Chairperson of the Boards
    Tony Foot wrote:
    Xzasxz wrote:
    Over 900 posts. most from the people not happy with the vaulting. And what D3 says? Nothing! Never in my gaming life I felt so irrelevant for the gamemakers. They do not give a **** of what people think/want/write as long as whales are happy. That's what I see.

    They had said something, they have said they are discussing it internally and going through it the thread and feedback. If they throw a fix together within a week and it's wrong you would be even more annoyed. Let's give them some time to decide and make the right fix.

    There are lots of quick fixes they could do though e.g. put out a 2nd version of each LT that includes all 4*s and offer it alongside the other one, thus letting people choose whether they want new heroes or all heroes.
  • SleepingKoala
    SleepingKoala Posts: 11 Just Dropped In
    Crowl wrote:
    Tony Foot wrote:
    Xzasxz wrote:
    Over 900 posts. most from the people not happy with the vaulting. And what D3 says? Nothing! Never in my gaming life I felt so irrelevant for the gamemakers. They do not give a **** of what people think/want/write as long as whales are happy. That's what I see.

    They had said something, they have said they are discussing it internally and going through it the thread and feedback. If they throw a fix together within a week and it's wrong you would be even more annoyed. Let's give them some time to decide and make the right fix.

    There are lots of quick fixes they could do though e.g. put out a 2nd version of each LT that includes all 4*s and offer it alongside the other one, thus letting people choose whether they want new heroes or all heroes.



    Agreed. Vaulting is dumb. If they can have 2 types of tokens for 5 stars, there is no reason why it cannot be done for 4 stars.
  • WEBGAS
    WEBGAS Posts: 474 Mover and Shaker
    So far only 3 star.png bonuses and not a single 4 star.png

    Today something strange happened: opening my stockpiled heroic tokens I have found three 3 star.png and three times the bonus hero triggered once with Thanos_Icon.png , the second times with drstrange_icon.png and the tird with icon_ironman.png ....

    but with my surprise in queue I got icon_daredevil.pngicon_deadpool.pngicon_falcon.png

    my only two 3 star.png favourites were, strange and IM40 so what's wrong?

    same old issues with yesterday patch?
  • Crowl
    Crowl Posts: 1,581 Chairperson of the Boards
    WEBGAS wrote:
    but with my surprise in queue I got icon_daredevil.pngicon_deadpool.pngicon_falcon.png

    my only two 3 star.png favourites were, strange and IM40 so what's wrong?

    same old issues with yesterday patch?

    Have you checked that the patch didn't do something weird like reset your favourites?
  • WEBGAS
    WEBGAS Posts: 474 Mover and Shaker
    Crowl wrote:
    WEBGAS wrote:
    but with my surprise in queue I got icon_daredevil.pngicon_deadpool.pngicon_falcon.png

    my only two 3 star.png favourites were, strange and IM40 so what's wrong?

    same old issues with yesterday patch?

    Have you checked that the patch didn't do something weird like reset your favourites?

    Yes...my favourites are still strange and IM40
  • OneLastGambit
    OneLastGambit Posts: 1,963 Chairperson of the Boards
    WEBGAS wrote:
    Crowl wrote:
    WEBGAS wrote:
    but with my surprise in queue I got icon_daredevil.pngicon_deadpool.pngicon_falcon.png

    my only two 3 star.png favourites were, strange and IM40 so what's wrong?

    same old issues with yesterday patch?

    Have you checked that the patch didn't do something weird like reset your favourites?

    Yes...my favourites are still strange and IM40

    I think this is a display issue.

    I think you pulled DD, deadpool and falcon from the token and the bonus was Strange thanos and IM but the game displayed the covers wrong when pulling them.
  • AlphaNik
    AlphaNik Posts: 45 Just Dropped In
    OneLastGambit wrote:
    WEBGAS wrote:
    Crowl wrote:
    WEBGAS wrote:
    but with my surprise in queue I got icon_daredevil.pngicon_deadpool.pngicon_falcon.png

    my only two 3 star.png favourites were, strange and IM40 so what's wrong?

    same old issues with yesterday patch?

    Have you checked that the patch didn't do something weird like reset your favourites?

    Yes...my favourites are still strange and IM40

    I think this is a display issue.

    I think you pulled DD, deadpool and falcon from the token and the bonus was Strange thanos and IM but the game displayed the covers wrong when pulling them.

    Happened to me too. I open a token and get 3* Captain Marvel, bonus trigger and is another Captain Marvel, which is one of my seleted bonus heroes.
    I go to my queue expecting to find two CM covers and see one Squirrel Girl and only one CM instead. In the end I think what happened is: I got Squirrel Girl from the token and a bonus Captain Marvel but in the opening animation two CM was displayed. Kind of weird.
  • Daredevil217
    Daredevil217 Posts: 4,014 Chairperson of the Boards
    Same here. Two Psylockes (which isn't possible as she is not in tokens) ended up being Psylocke and Kamala.

    Two Punishers (my only 4* bonus) ended up being Punisher/Cage (which is fine as I only need one Pun to champ and Cage had 8 covers but 0 redflag.png before this pull.
  • Crowl
    Crowl Posts: 1,581 Chairperson of the Boards
    Sadly for me, I have been unaffected by this apparent bug as I have only seen one bonus 4* so far and that was over a week ago. icon_e_sad.gif
  • monsieurmojo
    monsieurmojo Posts: 370 Mover and Shaker
    Crowl wrote:
    Sadly for me, I have been unaffected by this apparent bug as I have only seen one bonus 4* so far and that was over a week ago. icon_e_sad.gif

    Same here, haven't experienced the bug yet; working on about 75 LT pulls with zero bonus 4* so far.
  • Buret0
    Buret0 Posts: 1,591
    I opened a pack and was fortunate enough to see ol purple. Then it was a panther, my first one and I was, great, a 5* I don't need and won't ever have the iso or CP to cover. But wait... a bonus 5* has appeared! My eleventh OML cover, and one of the two colours I still need covers for! Now, if only I hadn't burned through all of my ISO championing Luke Cage and Agent Countdown...
  • Xzasxz
    Xzasxz Posts: 124 Tile Toppler
    And one more thing, I didn't see anybody mentioned - Lightning Rounds. What are powered-up/essential characters in every single round? Loki, Doctor Doom, Ragnarok, Mystique, Magneto. Regardless that many times players asked for some diversity, all the time same five. Which of them are in the packs? Only Loki. And propably not for long.
    What about other modes with powered-up/featured heroes? Will the characters that not in the packs be powered up?
    Yes? How the newer players are to play? Already ca 75% heroes will be out of reach - forget maximum progression rewards in Story mode, forget good placements in both modes.
    No? Are You joking? Are You going to kill the last remnants of diversity?

    And once again I make my point: 510 days playing. Thousands of hours. Now, when I am so close, just few covers to max my long desired heroes, like Red Hulk, Hulkbuster, Uncanny Deadpool, Thoress and some more. And You tell me: forget it? **** You.
  • Xzasxz
    Xzasxz Posts: 124 Tile Toppler
    mexus wrote:
    Xzasxz wrote:
    And one more thing, I didn't see anybody mentioned - Lightning Rounds. What are powered-up/essential characters in every single round? Loki, Doctor Doom, Ragnarok, Mystique, Magneto. Regardless that many times players asked for some diversity, all the time same five. Which of them are in the packs? Only Loki. And propably not for long.
    What about other modes with powered-up/featured heroes? Will the characters that not in the packs be powered up?
    Yes? How the newer players are to play? Already ca 75% heroes will be out of reach - forget maximum progression rewards in Story mode, forget good placements in both modes.
    No? Are You joking? Are You going to kill the last remnants of diversity?

    And once again I make my point: 510 days playing. Thousands of hours. Now, when I am so close, just few covers to max my long desired heroes, like Red Hulk, Hulkbuster, Uncanny Deadpool, Thoress and some more. And You tell me: forget it? **** You.

    No character is out of reach.
    If someone wants Loki, specify him as your favorite and you'll always have a 5% change of getting him when opening a golden token. That'a higher chance than it used to be before Bonus Heroes was introduced.
    You'll soon have those Lokis flowing in.

    You want Red Hulk? I do as well. I have him as my favorite hero hence always have a 5% chance of getting him when opening a legendary token. I got 2 Red Hulks since Bonus Heroes was introduced.

    Can't You read? I wrote "75% heroes will be out of reach". That is 32 heroes out of packs now. How many draws one would need to get covers for them as Bonus Heroes? That's practically out of reach. And look at all these posts, how weird the system works ...
    If someone wants to spend MONEY (not money, but MONEY), the change may be convenient. But for the most of us that want F2P or just spend some money (like me) ... this topic and few others brings the answer what we think of it.

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