FoxMulder wrote: Ozark, I've wondered about this too. Would it be too much to want her black power to be effective even if other characters do the matching of blue, purple, and black tiles? Or would that make her way too powerful?
pasa_ wrote: Your tables just assume the opponent has full stores of AP every turn rather than collect it the usual way?
Phaserhawk wrote: pasa_ wrote: Your tables just assume the opponent has full stores of AP every turn rather than collect it the usual way? Yes, there is so many variables, the only way you can acurately mesaure is the best case scenario. Which is why I assumed the enemy team always had 4 of every color every turn, that way you could see how fast each version could go off, and how much AP they could steal. Obviously this will never happen but it allows you to go see what could happen and then figure out your own probababilities. As I said, if OBW is not on the purple tile, then 5/5/3 or 5/3/5 is the better build. 3/5/5 is very aggressive and seeks to match purple quickly where 5/3/5 is more defensive and allows purple to come as it may, only making sure that an opposing OBW doesn't go off.
pasa_ wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: pasa_ wrote: Your tables just assume the opponent has full stores of AP every turn rather than collect it the usual way? Yes, there is so many variables, the only way you can acurately mesaure is the best case scenario. Which is why I assumed the enemy team always had 4 of every color every turn, that way you could see how fast each version could go off, and how much AP they could steal. Obviously this will never happen but it allows you to go see what could happen and then figure out your own probababilities. As I said, if OBW is not on the purple tile, then 5/5/3 or 5/3/5 is the better build. 3/5/5 is very aggressive and seeks to match purple quickly where 5/3/5 is more defensive and allows purple to come as it may, only making sure that an opposing OBW doesn't go off. That aspect changes things a lot actually. I guess with the cheap OBW you go for the earliest steal. That will hardly find all the stocks filled. By the time 11P is ready the AI normally has 2 in random stocks and over 4 in more important ones. First steal is unlikely to grab the full potential -- but for the later used one it has better saturation. And in later game, when AP had time to collect and abilities either ready or really close getting 4 is even more important both ways. There the difference is really spectacular. If they happen to collected purple too, even more as you your next steal costs only effective 7 too. I recall plenty of games the AI had 50+ roses and I had 11 purples waiting they get used already
SirKopath wrote: Am I the only one who sees OBW and thinks, sweet, a team with a 3K health character? easy points
dubmethod20 wrote: This character is obviously too powerful for a two star character. Because of her abilities this character crushes much more powerful foes and that's great but I'm sick of seeing her face in the PvP arena. This character has completely killed the diversity of opponents teams. Just see how much iso you spend skipping matches before you find one without Black Widow Original in the mix
ihearthawthats wrote: Imo the game needs more support characters. She has 0 alternatives and only 2 replacements (Spidey or Hood).
Ozark Boatswain wrote: I use her on offense, and I consider her the best ** character before you get high-level *** characters in your team (because her black becomes less useful). I would lower her heal a bit. Also I think Espionage causes more damage even when there's nothing to steal, which feels like a bug. Otherwise on defense she's not that bad. Deny her purple and she goes down easy. And if you're going to be making purple matches, why not try out Magneto Now, who has an even better purple ability? Also try Wolvie/Thor/Ares as they are immune to her black steal ability, since they never use those colors.