kermitk50 wrote: so I used the character thread post to find this thread to look at how each skill increases with levels and found that the black skill is not listed anywhere on the first page. I dont know if it was mentioned later, but since this is the "official" thread for OBW, can we get an update on the first post that includes her black skill?
dlaw008 wrote: I would much rather face the 8AP version than the 11AP. 3 covers is annoying to me, but 5 covers is outright dangerous.
dlaw008 wrote: Listen, the only reason any of us ever get hit with almost any power is because of an unlucky cascade. We are all smart enough and saavy enough to deny the opponent from firing off the really dangerous things. So, as far as bad cascades go, getting to 11AP is not a huge difference to getting to 8AP - in some cases (with espionage and three purple in the bank) it's identical! It is never more than ONE unlucky drop. And after a bad cascade, the second use is often just a purple match away. I would much rather face the 8AP version than the 11AP. 3 covers is annoying to me, but 5 covers is outright dangerous.
gamar wrote: And today's PvE reminded me of something else I forgot to mention: 3 covers on AR is so, so good when fighting a level 230 Juggernaut or Ares
mischiefmaker wrote: dlaw008 wrote: Listen, the only reason any of us ever get hit with almost any power is because of an unlucky cascade. We are all smart enough and saavy enough to deny the opponent from firing off the really dangerous things. So, as far as bad cascades go, getting to 11AP is not a huge difference to getting to 8AP - in some cases (with espionage and three purple in the bank) it's identical! It is never more than ONE unlucky drop. And after a bad cascade, the second use is often just a purple match away. I would much rather face the 8AP version than the 11AP. 3 covers is annoying to me, but 5 covers is outright dangerous. I actually have the exact opposite experience. I love facing the 11AP version -- in all my matches against OBW I'm pretty sure I've been hit with that version exactly once, a 3-match that cascaded a 5-match purple (plus espionage) that cascaded a 3-match purple (plus espionage), game over. I've been hit with the 8AP version plenty though, and not just on cascades; sometimes I just can't prevent the AI from collecting three (or, more commonly, 2) purple matches before I kill her. On offense, purple is such a weak color that I'd much rather steal everything else a few turns earlier to get my machine rolling. I mean, what purple powers do you really care about preventing? Opposing OBW, sure, but you're going to target her first, and if she's down by the time they get 11AP, there's a good chance nobody else on the team can use it. MMN and BWGS are horrible in the hands of the AI; Loki is mostly an annoyance. That leaves CMags, and I don't see him very often. I'd rather optimize for the common case.
ihearthawthats wrote: Yeah, defensively speaking, an enemy obw with 3 AR can be pretty annoying. 5 AR can be deadly with a lucky cascade, true, but deadly because of 5 AR or because they got a lucky cascade?
Phantron wrote: The average match time back when Wolverine + Thor + OBW was rampant is clearly much lower than it is now (two of the characters had way more firepower). Even back then, it's not unusual to take a Thunder Strike which is 12 in yellow. But, this also explains why it is not common. The AI has no preference on any color. If you're fighting Wolverine + Thor + OBW, only yellow and purple would noticeably mess you up, and because the AI doesn't care about the colors, the chance of it doing that is 2/7 (it treats enviornmental as a perfectly viable color). In the current game, the same team is down to 1/7 as there is no other outright devastating ability in the 12 AP range for a commonly seen 2* (Call the Storm requires 14). Just like back then you didn't really denied the opposing Thor from a Thunder Strike (he just chose to not go for yellow), you never denied OBW from her purple either. The AI just chose to not go for purple, and it'll do that 6 out of 7 times because it doesn't care about one color over another.
muffinmonger wrote: If OBW is on your team but not the one making blue/purple matches, then she probably shouldn't be on your team