**** Wolverine (X-Force) **** [PRE 2015-04]

GrumpySmurf1002

avs962 wrote:

silverrex wrote:

MarcusGraves wrote:

silverrex wrote:

anyone know if a 4/4/3 lvl 94 xforce is worth sinking Iso into? I plan to keep my max level at under lvl 166

until you have either his green or black maxed out, not really.

so having 1 of green or black max out would be the bare minimum? if you had a choice, which one would you max first?

I would say black. That fifth cover just does so much for you (almost double damage per tile AND ap generation).
That being said, you can't go wrong with a fifth green, which severely increased lethality of a quick strike.
Just the opinion of a guy who has a lvl 70, 2/2/3 X-Force though, so take from it what you will.

Definitely Black. His green still does decent damage at 4 so you can live without 5 green for a while. The AP generation at 5 black can turn battles quickly.

If you're keeping him under 166 cause you're worried about PvE scaling, don't. I have a 174 XF with some 144s, and scaling didn't really move much when I took XForce above them. I don't know where the exact barrier is, but my instinct says 200ish should be fine without killing PvE entirely.

Phaserhawk

avs962 wrote:

silverrex wrote:

MarcusGraves wrote:

silverrex wrote:

anyone know if a 4/4/3 lvl 94 xforce is worth sinking Iso into? I plan to keep my max level at under lvl 166

until you have either his green or black maxed out, not really.

so having 1 of green or black max out would be the bare minimum? if you had a choice, which one would you max first?

I would say black. That fifth cover just does so much for you (almost double damage per tile AND ap generation).

That being said, you can't go wrong with a fifth green, which severely increased lethality of a quick strike.

Just the opinion of a guy who has a lvl 70, 2/2/3 X-Force though, so take from it what you will.

As far as final builds go, 5/5/3 is just so optimal there is almost no way around it, the only other passable build would be 5/4/4. While gaining the AP and getting the extra damage is awesome, you can survive at level 4 black for awhile, but 5 green is mandatory, for what 3 green does is just terrible.

Unknown

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

avs962 wrote:

If you're keeping him under 166 cause you're worried about PvE scaling, don't. I have a 174 XF with some 144s, and scaling didn't really move much when I took XForce above them. I don't know where the exact barrier is, but my instinct says 200ish should be fine without killing PvE entirely.

so is 174 the optimal level beside maxing it at 270?

avs962

silverrex wrote:

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

avs962 wrote:

If you're keeping him under 166 cause you're worried about PvE scaling, don't. I have a 174 XF with some 144s, and scaling didn't really move much when I took XForce above them. I don't know where the exact barrier is, but my instinct says 200ish should be fine without killing PvE entirely.

so is 174 the optimal level beside maxing it at 270?

Probably depends on how high you're 3 stars are. I'd imagine you could go a bit higher if you have a few max three stars.

Unknown

Hi guys. New to the forums.

I have managed to get an almost fully covered X-Force after a couple of lucky tokens, the daily rewards and then dropping some HP to max out his black and green covers. I was wondering who the ideal partner would be with X-Force and LazyThor? Daken? Mystique? Hood? (and skip purple?).

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Dayv

ADD83 wrote:

Hi guys. New to the forums.

I have managed to get an almost fully covered X-Force after a couple of lucky tokens, the daily rewards and then dropping some HP to max out his black and green covers. I was wondering who the ideal partner would be with X-Force and LazyThor? Daken? Mystique? Hood? (and skip purple?).

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

All three of those are good pairings, especially LDaken and Hood.

LThor isn't necessarily the best match for X-Force. XF's green is so good at just over half the price of Call the Storm that Thor's big move is a bit wasted. On the other hand, Thor's yellow helping to generate green is welcome, and if you choose Daken you'll be putting strikes out to boot.

In order of preference, I'd say Daken - Hood (assuming five blue) - Mystique.

Unknown

PvE scaling is somewhat of a mystery so it's always at best guesswork on what determines it. Higher level 4* does contribute to it but nobody can say exactly how much because we don't know the formula. If you don't care about PvP then you can keep X Force low since having extra level don't help as much on PvE since scaling cancels it out anyway and he never derives that much power as a function of his level. But for PvP the extra health does matter because at a lower level that means the opponent can take him out with an X Force or Surgical Strike even if it's on the wrong color whereas having more health means you'll get your own X Force or Surgical Strike in and possibly win the game or at least make the opponent think about attacking you next time. The average damage done by X Force/Surgical Strike at 270 is around 5000, and picking up 2000 damage from match damage while accumulating the AP is quite easy (10 match at 166, less if they have a higher featured character) so you got to be above 7000 HP to make the 270 X Forces hesitate even a little. Yes they probably will attack you anyway but anyone below 7000 HP you won't even need to think about how to deal with them.

GrumpySmurf1002

silverrex wrote:

so is 174 the optimal level beside maxing it at 270?

No, that's just were I stopped, I leveled him in some event to get him to cover colors over a boosted hero, forget which now. As I said, I think 200 is around the sweet spot. It could be 190 or 210, but 200 is a nice round number, and would keep him roughly in line with a +30 boosted 166.

To Phantron's point, lvl 200 is around 8200 health, which is generally enough to slow people in PvP down provided you're max covered and have decent other characters. After a while it doesn't matter anyway because you're shielded, and whether 174 or 200 or 270, XForce can clear out the big rosters just fine.

Spoit

Phaserhawk wrote:

As far as final builds go, 5/5/3 is just so optimal there is almost no way around it, the only other passable build would be 5/4/4. While gaining the AP and getting the extra damage is awesome, you can survive at level 4 black for awhile, but 5 green is mandatory, for what 3 green does is just terrible.

What? The green is good, but the AP generation from the 5th SS is what really makes him broken

Unknown

If HT was a 4* we'd be calling X Force (the move) the green Fireball. Sure, X Force is probably better than a hypothetical 4* HT Fireball, but it's close. Remember Fireball only needs 6 red AP (refunds 2).

There isn't anything in the 3* skillset that can remotely be compared to what Surgical Strike does. I guess you can call it the black AR? But AR doesn't do damage, tile destruction, and cascades so even that isn't a very good comparison.

Unknown

Hi,

My question is quite the same as above but i'd like a clear answer

I have X-Force 5/5/3 (yeah ! ) and i have him to level 230.
I play him usually with LazyThor 166 5/5/3 or Daken 166 5/5/3 (both are good with X-Force), but i'd like to know if it worth it to level X-force to level 270.

I have enough iso to invest but it is quite a lot (150 000).

So, does it woth it to invest in him, for PvP and PvE instead of levelling some *** i have ?
I don't know what is really the différence between level 230 and 270, but it can afraid some PvP opponents

Thank you in advance,

Unknown

DayvBang wrote:

ADD83 wrote:

Hi guys. New to the forums.

I have managed to get an almost fully covered X-Force after a couple of lucky tokens, the daily rewards and then dropping some HP to max out his black and green covers. I was wondering who the ideal partner would be with X-Force and LazyThor? Daken? Mystique? Hood? (and skip purple?).

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

All three of those are good pairings, especially LDaken and Hood.

LThor isn't necessarily the best match for X-Force. XF's green is so good at just over half the price of Call the Storm that Thor's big move is a bit wasted. On the other hand, Thor's yellow helping to generate green is welcome, and if you choose Daken you'll be putting strikes out to boot.

In order of preference, I'd say Daken - Hood (assuming five blue) - Mystique.

Thanks for the reply. I see what you mean about LThor as a partner. When I saw the character rankings and realised that my two most covered 3/4 star characters were at 1 and 2 postions I was pretty happy, but LThor is seeming a bit wasted when I use him with X-Force. Who would make a good partner?

Spoit

Darek wrote:

Hi,

My question is quite the same as above but i'd like a clear answer

I have X-Force 5/5/3 (yeah ! ) and i have him to level 230.
I play him usually with LazyThor 166 5/5/3 or Daken 166 5/5/3 (both are good with X-Force), but i'd like to know if it worth it to level X-force to level 270.

I have enough iso to invest but it is quite a lot (150 000).

So, does it woth it to invest in him, for PvP and PvE instead of levelling some *** i have ?
I don't know what is really the différence between level 230 and 270, but it can afraid some PvP opponents

Thank you in advance,

Honestly? probably not. You get slightly less attacks because of scarecrowing, but in terms of actual fights, he does essentially the same damage.

I kind of regret taking him past 221, as now I can't have hulk tank green for him for pve

hurcules

ADD83 wrote:

Who would make a good partner?

Top choices are:
1) CMag. They work so well like PB&J that the pairing is dubbed Sexmagnet.
2) LCap. Works very well in PvE.
3) Fury. A bit slow, but when you get there, it's deadly.
4) Goddess Thor. Most destructive pairing at the moment.
5) Hood. Accelerates XForce and Surgical Strikes. Works even better when the 3rd character has two or more of active skills in Red/Blue/Purple colours.

Unknown

hurcules wrote:

ADD83 wrote:

Who would make a good partner?

Top choices are:
1) CMag. They work so well like PB&J that the pairing is dubbed Sexmagnet.
2) LCap. Works very well in PvE.
3) Fury. A bit slow, but when you get there, it's deadly.
4) Goddess Thor. Most destructive pairing at the moment.
5) Hood. Accelerates XForce and Surgical Strikes. Works even better when the 3rd character has two or more of active skills in Red/Blue/Purple colours.

I would add to this list:

6) Deadpool. Actives in red and purple as well as his black protecting Xforce from being the first character downed, effectively increasing Xforce's health pool by 6800.

7) Daken. You get red strike tiles for matching greens. You don't want to match those reds, so you won't have to match away your strike tiles. You get a strong blue active and you have good sustain.

8)Lthor. While not a perfect match, as they both use Green, he still provides an outlet for red and has a superior yellow to further fuel Xforce's green. Add his elite health and you have a strong 2 person team that can overcome many problems with its versatility in generating yellow and green AP as well as a sufficient outlet for red and yellow when Xforce doesn't need to heal.

9) Captain Marvel. This one is another non perfect match. But she will tank Red and Yellow and when she takes a big hit, she fuels Surgical Strike. Not perfect because she has a completely dead ability in her black, but she still has a reliable outlet for red and her passive is great compliment as well.

Unknown

Phantron wrote:

If HT was a 4* we'd be calling X Force (the move) the green Fireball. Sure, X Force is probably better than a hypothetical 4* HT Fireball, but it's close. Remember Fireball only needs 6 red AP (refunds 2).

There isn't anything in the 3* skillset that can remotely be compared to what Surgical Strike does. I guess you can call it the black AR? But AR doesn't do damage, tile destruction, and cascades so even that isn't a very good comparison.

SS is the 4* Reprieve. You see, at the 3* level you get the game's WORST abilities combined (random AP reduction, fake healing) and at 4* you get the BEST abilities combined (AP steal, huge cascade)

Unknown

My Xforce is 4/1/1. I bought a stark salary during the season sale and have 28000+ HP and could buy 5 covers for 12500 to get to 5/5/1. I'll get a second yellow cover in 15 days. My thinking is a viable Xforce will allow me to score a bit higher in PVP -- I average 750 -- maybe achieving 800+ more steadily and holding 700's without using shields as often.

Question: Is it worth the HP?

My primary concern is that Xforce will get nerfed. I don't disagree he's OP, despite being a 4*. I bought covers for Mags and Sentry in the past and got burned both times (despite both those chars still being quite playable)...

Just FYI: I have several max 3* (Lazy Cap, Daken, Hulk, Sentry), a dozen others in the 100's max covered, and 52 char slots. My Lazy Thor is 4/1/2, so using HP for him instead would be 7 covers, not much less than would be needed for Xforce... -- having said that, Thor is unlikely to get nerfed.

Vhailorx

camichan wrote:

My Xforce is 4/1/1. I bought a stark salary during the season sale and have 28000+ HP and could buy 5 covers for 12500 to get to 5/5/1. I'll get a second yellow cover in 15 days. My thinking is a viable Xforce will allow me to score a bit higher in PVP -- I average 750 -- maybe achieving 800+ more steadily and holding 700's without using shields as often.

Question: Is it worth the HP?

My primary concern is that Xforce will get nerfed. I don't disagree he's OP, despite being a 4*. I bought covers for Mags and Sentry in the past and got burned both times (despite both those chars still being quite playable)...

Just FYI: I have several max 3* (Lazy Cap, Daken, Hulk, Sentry), a dozen others in the 100's max covered, and 52 char slots. My Lazy Thor is 4/1/2, so using HP for him instead would be 7 covers, not much less than would be needed for Xforce... -- having said that, Thor is unlikely to get nerfed.

I can't really comment on the value of having a max Xforce (mine is still 1/1/2). But if you are getting a yellow xforce cover in 14 days, doesn't that mean you will be getting a green and black shortly afterwards? Aren't all three given out between 140 and 180 in the daily rewards?

I definitely don't think you should turn 5000 HP into 2000 iso just to get xforce covered several weeks early. going from averaging 760 to averaging 800 would be a nice bump in pvp, that might be what, a modest amount of extra covers every few weeks, only some of which will be useful? And the shield cooldown changes might have a significant effect on pvp scores anyway. In short, I can see the value of buying a few xforce covers so that he will be ready to go as soon as you get the dailies, but I wouldn't max him.

As for lThor, it's only worth it if you think you will use him a lot. He won't be in token packs for several more weeks at the minimum, so now's not a bad time to buy his covers if he makes your A-team.

Trisul

camichan wrote:

My Xforce is 4/1/1. I bought a stark salary during the season sale and have 28000+ HP and could buy 5 covers for 12500 to get to 5/5/1. I'll get a second yellow cover in 15 days. My thinking is a viable Xforce will allow me to score a bit higher in PVP -- I average 750 -- maybe achieving 800+ more steadily and holding 700's without using shields as often.

Question: Is it worth the HP?

My primary concern is that Xforce will get nerfed. I don't disagree he's OP, despite being a 4*. I bought covers for Mags and Sentry in the past and got burned both times (despite both those chars still being quite playable)...

Just FYI: I have several max 3* (Lazy Cap, Daken, Hulk, Sentry), a dozen others in the 100's max covered, and 52 char slots. My Lazy Thor is 4/1/2, so using HP for him instead would be 7 covers, not much less than would be needed for Xforce... -- having said that, Thor is unlikely to get nerfed.

I pretty much did what you're considering, spend my excess HP (from alliance slot refund) on X-Force covers to make a 5/5/1 X-Force.

Do it.

X-Force is probably the best combination of fun/strong in the game and I don't regret it for a second.

(By the way, I doubt X-Force will get nerfed anytime soon. He seems to be about appropriate in terms of power level for a 4*. If they do nerf, it will likely be a small tweak, and I doubt he'll lose his fun factor. Don't expect any Rag-type butcherings anymore.)

Unknown

X Force more than pays for his HP unless you're building him from scratch even if he'll be nerfed.

It is difficult to see how he'll be nerfed because his abilities are slightly too much so it's very hard to see how it's going to unwind let alone predict what the character will settle at. But as long as he has true healing he's going to be fine because true healing is pretty much game breaking on the PvE (and probably PvP after shield hops are fixed too) as long as health packs are a limiting factor. Even double regen have a significant value for extended play let alone double regen + true healing. And if he's going to lose both, that's such a massive change to the entire character that there's no point for any of us to even spectculate what the result might look like.