**** Wolverine (X-Force) **** [PRE 2015-04]

Wonko33

I've bought 3 covers for xforce, to max to 5 my black and green
I've bought 2 covers for hood, to max out his blue

Both have paid their ISO and hp cost in earning covers many times over. They also helped me secure a spot in a top 100 alliance where I earn an extra cover every event.

Even if they were to nerf xforce, he's been worth it because I got a lot of fully covered 3* because of him.

Unknown

So, transitioning 2*-3* player here. I've maxed covers for Hood, LThor, CMags and almost Blade. Still getting my **** handed to me in pvp.

Should i drop 100$ to level X-force to a usable level?

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Edited to add final poll results.

Item - Votes - % of Total Votes
Yes - 13 - 20%
No - 16 - 25%
Don't be stupid - 36 - 55%

MojoWild

Since you're talking hp, it seems you just mean buying covers. But you're also going to need to level him up, and to get from 70 to 270 is 430k iso.
I'd say, be patient and cultivate who you have.

wymtime

If you are going to put money into this game put money in for roster slots. $100 for 8 covers in my mind is a lot of money. X-Force is nice to have but is not so OP that you need him to hop, or do well in PVP. 20,000 hp can buy 16 covers or more than enough roster slots to collect the 3* you recieve. Even if you have X-Force you will still be attacked in PVP by people who have 166 rosters. If you had enough ISO to cover him you would also out scale yourself in PVE and ruin your MMR in PVP. So if you want to start paying $100 monthly to buy covers, and ISO and get to 166 really fast it is your money and can choose to do that. You have some solid 3* and if you can score in the 800+ point range in PVP you should be able to get some top 25's and if you are in a top 100 alliance you should be recieving 3 covers per PVP you should be able to start transitioning a lot faster without paying for it.

hex706f726368

As your internet financial adviser I'm probably going to need to see your 2013 tax filing before I can make a decision about how you should spend your money. If you could post those documents as an attachment, that'd be great.

Lidolas

The covers will come. Patience. There is no need to be top of the charts at the moment (or ever, really)

Unknown

If someone gave you $100 that had to be spent in game, buying covers for x-force (or lady thor) is the way to go. I'd recommend fully covering either over buying cover packs, shields, boosts, or just about anything else. It won't be a cure-all for PVP - the game is easier on offense than defense. Lots of teams get targetted in PVP. You'd have to focus on leveling him up - and It might take a couple of months to level up xforce. However, he's pretty usable around level 166 with full covers and that isn't too hard to do.

FaustianDeal

For what its worth:
I would say that the third option is really more of a modifier than could be applied to either or the first 2 options - presented as-is it could be confusing to voters..

Unknown

FWIW, I keep my X-Force at L153 - the highest he can be and still have Hulk tank his black and green. Even then, he still does ~3900 damage each swipe.

The moral being X-Force can be effective even at "lower" levels.

babinro

Well he's far and away the best character in the game. Compared to anything else available to play he might as well be a 6 star character.

True healing and the insane health pool makes him nearly unkillable barring enemy cascades. He's exceptionally useful in all formats both defensively and offensively. He'll save you a boatload of health pack usage to keep playing longer (so long as you don't mind the occasional prologue heal or goons pve heal).

Yeah, I'd say he's worth it.

Just be aware that if you do buy him you'll be skipping the games natural progression. Many fun *** characters will feel underwhelming by comparison to XF.

Note: You already have mags and hood...so you'll have a near perfect XF team to boot!

Unknown

babinro wrote:

Well he's far and away the best character in the game. Compared to anything else available to play he might as well be a 6 star character.
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this is not true. those of use who have max cover 4* thor can tell you she's much stronger. wolvie is a huge threat, but 4* thor is just a wrecking machine once you get enough blue for a power surge and red for a smite.

look at it this way. you get enough ap for an xforce and a surgical strike and you can MAYBE down a max 4* thor if there is enough red on the board to nuke with surgical and you'd have to use both skills on her to take her down in one shot. however with 4* thor you can power surge and smite one person and all you need is one blue match to keep the entire team on lockdown from thereon out and take them all out quickly. with enough blue and red, 4* thor can effectively end the match in less than 4 turns after her first power surge + smite without anyone on that team taking any damage even if the opposing team has a characters with 10k+ health. xforce cannot do that.

NorthernPolarity

atlasspeaks wrote:

babinro wrote:

Well he's far and away the best character in the game. Compared to anything else available to play he might as well be a 6 star character.
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this is not true. those of use who have max cover 4* thor can tell you she's much stronger. wolvie is a huge threat, but 4* thor is just a wrecking machine once you get enough blue for a power surge and red for a smite.

look at it this way. you get enough ap for an xforce and a surgical strike and you can MAYBE down a max 4* thor if you there is enough red on the board to nuke with surgical and you'd have to use both skills on her to take her down in one shot. however with 4* thor you can power surge and smite one person and all you need is one blue match to keep the entire team on lockdown from thereon out and take them all out quickly. with enough blue and red, 4* thor can effectively end the match in less than 4 turns after her first power surge + smite without anyone on that team taking any damage even if the opposing team has a characters with 10k+ health. xforce cannot do that.

I disagree, and think that the two are equals. There are two huge advantages that X-Force has over LadyThor:
1. He requires no health packs. He doesn't die because of recovery, and LadyThor can tank more, but eventually needs health packs.
2. He's much faster than LadyThor at bursting a medium sized target down. LadyThor requires a power surge into smite combo to deal any meaningful amounts of damage, which is at least 9 AP for the surge, and 2-3 red match-3s for the smite. X-Force is a much easier 8 green for 4.5k damage, and is miles better than LadyThor for bursting down Hood, for instance.

You really can't go wrong with either one, but I still say the health pack thing puts X-Force over the top compared to LadyThor for transitioners like OP.

OnesOwnGrief

NorthernPolarity wrote:

atlasspeaks wrote:

babinro wrote:

Well he's far and away the best character in the game. Compared to anything else available to play he might as well be a 6 star character.
!

this is not true. those of use who have max cover 4* thor can tell you she's much stronger. wolvie is a huge threat, but 4* thor is just a wrecking machine once you get enough blue for a power surge and red for a smite.

look at it this way. you get enough ap for an xforce and a surgical strike and you can MAYBE down a max 4* thor if you there is enough red on the board to nuke with surgical and you'd have to use both skills on her to take her down in one shot. however with 4* thor you can power surge and smite one person and all you need is one blue match to keep the entire team on lockdown from thereon out and take them all out quickly. with enough blue and red, 4* thor can effectively end the match in less than 4 turns after her first power surge + smite without anyone on that team taking any damage even if the opposing team has a characters with 10k+ health. xforce cannot do that.

I disagree, and think that the two are equals. There are two huge advantages that X-Force has over LadyThor:
1. He requires no health packs. He doesn't die because of recovery, and LadyThor can tank more, but eventually needs health packs.
2. He's much faster than LadyThor at bursting a medium sized target down. LadyThor requires a power surge into smite combo to deal any meaningful amounts of damage, which is at least 9 AP for the surge, and 2-3 red match-3s for the smite. X-Force is a much easier 8 green for 4.5k damage, and is miles better than LadyThor for bursting down Hood, for instance.

You really can't go wrong with either one, but I still say the health pack thing puts X-Force over the top compared to LadyThor for transitioners like OP.

To add to what NorthernPolarity has stated, XF is so ridiculously cheap to play with. I have grinded PvPs with just +2 Green/Black boosts and reach fairly decent numbers, placement aside. That gives you a leg up and the ability to down some character in just a few turns turning it into a 3 vs 2 match pretty quickly. Using just the 2 boosts has the added benefit of actually still gaining you a net bonus of ISO after those matches and the iso+cover rewards as you go up the ladder.

Unknown

NorthernPolarity wrote:

atlasspeaks wrote:

babinro wrote:

Well he's far and away the best character in the game. Compared to anything else available to play he might as well be a 6 star character.
!

this is not true. those of use who have max cover 4* thor can tell you she's much stronger. wolvie is a huge threat, but 4* thor is just a wrecking machine once you get enough blue for a power surge and red for a smite.

look at it this way. you get enough ap for an xforce and a surgical strike and you can MAYBE down a max 4* thor if you there is enough red on the board to nuke with surgical and you'd have to use both skills on her to take her down in one shot. however with 4* thor you can power surge and smite one person and all you need is one blue match to keep the entire team on lockdown from thereon out and take them all out quickly. with enough blue and red, 4* thor can effectively end the match in less than 4 turns after her first power surge + smite without anyone on that team taking any damage even if the opposing team has a characters with 10k+ health. xforce cannot do that.

I disagree, and think that the two are equals. There are two huge advantages that X-Force has over LadyThor:
1. He requires no health packs. He doesn't die because of recovery, and LadyThor can tank more, but eventually needs health packs.
2. He's much faster than LadyThor at bursting a medium sized target down. LadyThor requires a power surge into smite combo to deal any meaningful amounts of damage, which is at least 9 AP for the surge, and 2-3 red match-3s for the smite. X-Force is a much easier 8 green for 4.5k damage, and is miles better than LadyThor for bursting down Hood, for instance.

You really can't go wrong with either one, but I still say the health pack thing puts X-Force over the top compared to LadyThor for transitioners like OP.

I think...X force can perfectly work with Lthor , Black widow ( green generator! ) , Doctor doom , Mystique ( black generator) but ladythor is too lonely....

Unknown

In a world without true healing I can see arguments for other characters being comparable to X Force even though X Force is by far the best offensive character, because stuff like attacking from weird colors or resilence does matter, except they don't matter compared to X Force's true healing. In the 'no Wolverine' nodes in one of the PvE events I found Nick Fury was better than I thought, but Nick Fury needs a health pack every fight against strong opposition unless you want to start a fight with 5K HP, while X Force never has that problem.

Unknown

i'm not sure if the people responding are at end-game, but when you're facing lvl 270 4hor's and xforces, having a 4hor of your own is much better for winning against said teams than having an xforce. however, xforce helps and actually when i'm going against a max level team i also boost black and green with all boosts to get a second turn xforce and a third turn surgical. this however does not usually kill a max 4hor and sometimes not even a max xforce. a power surge into a smite will kill ANYTHING and give you charged tiles to keep doing it. charged tiles that the computer doesn't happen to be very handy with, which is a double plus for the player.

if you want to look at this scenario from a climbing standpoint, i agree xforce is much better than 4hor. but i'm discussing this conversation from a 1-match only viewpoint, where 4hor reigns surpreme.

Spoit

4hor has much better sustain, once you get rolling the game's pretty much over, but x-force is better at bursting down a single high priority target like hood. Especially with the green/black boost synergy.

More importantly, the AI can handle x-force on defense way better than FT, who it'll have waste the red (which is less impressive without charged tiles), and you can watch their AI to make sure the stun is on your least useful character.

Unknown

It's not as simple as get a maxed X-force and then suddenly dominate PVP though. You say you have all the covers for SOME 3 stars...so that leads me to believe that you don't have any maxed 3 stars yet...so let's say you went crazy and blew the $500 or so it would take to max X-Force...then what? Honestly, if you don't have someone good to pair him with you might as well still be playing with a 2 star team, because I'll tell you right now I could take out your 270 X-Force with cstorm/nmag if the rest of your team is a pvp gimme and some halfassed 3 star. Of course I probably won't even see you because you'll quickly find yourself in some nasty 4 star bracket where having only 1 useable 4 star will still make you bottom dog in comparison. and let's not forget about shields. no matter how tough you are you're not going to be ranking high without a good dose of shielding, which you will no longer be able to afford because you blew $500 and all your hp on a single 4 star that will still only end up winning you some more 3 stars at best.

Unknown

The bottom line is 20000 hp to make x-force useful in pvp will not stop you from being attacked. On defense you will always be at a disadvantage because the Ai is not as a smart as a human player when it comes to using powers at the appropriate time. And secondly people can use buffs to quickly take out one or even two of your strongest team members very quickly...

So the short answer if you are just putting covers to max out xforce for pvp, don't bother, you will still get attacked regardless.

Now if you play the game a lot, and foresee yourself spending over a hundred hours playing this game then yea it might be worth it. And that should be your only consideration, not because of pvp or pve.

Unknown

No. Don't be silly.

You asked.