**** Wolverine (X-Force) **** [PRE 2015-04]

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NO

NO HE IS NOT

SHUT UP YOU ****

...seriously though I **** hate being the only **** dude with no Xforce. Bugs the **** out of me.

dr tinykittylove

Budget Player Cadet wrote:

NO

NO HE IS NOT

SHUT UP YOU ****

...seriously though I tinykitty hate being the only tinykitty dude with no Xforce. Bugs the tinykitty out of me.

You just need to play harder so you can get his covers to join the party. He's fun! Both to use and to fight!

... I like living dangerously?

Moral

And people laughed at me for my fully covered XFarce in March. LAUGHED I SAY!



Just wait until the Bagman buff goes live! Then I'll show them all!

homeinvasion

Budget Player Cadet wrote:

Because, after all, 10k health wasn't enough.

Actually this is more than most characters.

Budget Player Cadet wrote:

Because, after all, 4k damage and cascades for 8AP wasn't enough.

But this is much more damage than other characters, this is crazy.

Budget Player Cadet wrote:

Because, after all, having a skill that single-handedly catapults black into the "amazing color" category wasn't enough.

Rage of the Panther is a viable ability.

Budget Player Cadet wrote:

Because, after all, it wasn't fair that boosted characters were almost as good.

Xforce is actually stronger than most boosted characters

Budget Player Cadet wrote:

I look forward to spending the whole event fighting level 400 Xforces.

wow you are certainly brave, that is a daunting prospect.

Budget Player Cadet wrote:

Oh wait, no I don't. At all.

OIC you were being sardonic, now I get it.

HailMary

Moral wrote:

And people laughed at me for my fully covered XFarce in March. LAUGHED I SAY!



Just wait until the Bagman buff goes live! Then I'll show them all!

<quietly starts building Bagman>

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HailMary wrote:

Moral wrote:

And people laughed at me for my fully covered XFarce in March. LAUGHED I SAY!



Just wait until the Bagman buff goes live! Then I'll show them all!

<quietly starts building Bagman>

But how will you ever get his covers when they've been removed from heroic tokens? Won't someone think of the children!?!?!

HailMary

j12601 wrote:

HailMary wrote:

<quietly starts building Bagman>

But how will you ever get his covers when they've been removed from heroic tokens? Won't someone think of the children!?!?!

Finally, LR cover drops will be useful for something besides Iso again!

Edit: formatting.

user311

I got 2 bagman covers last week from post match rewards. I think it's a possibility. BPC, I feel for you man. Mine is still out on loan. At least the rewards are only Hood.

Unknown

If Budget Player Cadet isn't complaining, he isn't talking.

Unknown

^This guy knows me.

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I love using maxed Hood, lv249 Deadpool, and lv405 XForce in this tournament. It absolutely crushes everyone. It's amazing and it feels so good.

Unknown

Budget Player Cadet wrote:

The trick is never sleeping.

Like yogi.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18755

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Seeing a level 221 X-Force in PVP feels like a secret forums handshake

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Character tier list prior to Sentry Nerf:

Xforce
Sentry


Thor

Who cares?


Tier list once Sentry nerfs takes place:
Xforce



Thor


Who cares?

Great balance.

Unknown

If D3 refuses to release any character that's top tier with blue/purple as their strongest color then I'm willing to see Surgical Strike not generate AP on level 5. I still think it's not necessary because all you need is a top tier blue/purple strongest color character that will force either a team change (which usually involves dropping The Hood for someone else) or make Surgical Strike just a 5K damage move for 11 black, which is still decent but hardly game ending.

T_REZ5000

I don't understand why people want x-force nerfed. Is it because he's better than any 3* (after sentry nerf)?

According to that logic then punisher and most 3*s should be nerfed. After all, they are better than 2*s.

Personally, I think 4*s should be better than 3*s. As such I think IW and fury (to a lesser extent) should be buffed to further differentiate their power level from the 3* tier.

Unknown

T-REZ5000 wrote:

I don't understand why people want x-force nerfed. Is it because he's better than any 3* (after sentry nerf)?

According to that logic then punisher and most 3*s should be nerfed. After all, they are better than 2*s.

Personally, I think 4*s should be better than 3*s. As such I think IW and fury (to a lesser extent) should be buffed to further differentiate their power level from the 3* tier.

He should be nerfed because Surgical Strike is pretty much game ending on red/green/yellow in most cases. Rage of the Panther doesn't even take half of the health off a top tier team (minus The Hood), but a decent Surgical Strike can knock out at least one character and usually more. Now, you might say 'what about black/blue/purple' since you should be able to have them about 50% of the time if the featured character is highest, or 87.5% of the time if the format is free form (as long as one of your three characters is strongest in black/blue/purple you just put that guy in center)? That works in theory except all the good characters are almost exclusively red/yellow/green for PvP. Here's a list of characters commonly seen in PvP:

X Force - green
Thor (4*) - red
Sentry - red
Thor - red
The Hood - yellow
Black Panther - yellow
Hulk - green
Patch - green
Daken - black
The Punisher - black
Magneto - blue

8 out of 11 of those characters are red/green/yellow for their strongest color, and I'm not really sure if Daken/Magneto are viable top tier PvP characters. Black is also vulnerable on defense (use Surgical Strike to kill Daken, and then Surgical Strike again on a new color) though at least it's safe for offense (AI never aims Surgical Strike at your Daken to combo into itself again). This can be solved relatively easily like say, make Battleplan purple instead of yellow, but for some reason D3 is allergic to the idea of having a character with strongest color in blue/purple that's viable in PvP. By the way, even if you start adding marginal characters like HT (red) or IM40 (red), you'll still find an overwhelming amount of R/Y/Gs even if you lower your standard for what's playable by a lot, with only GSBW (purple) and Deadpool (purple) showing up as viable candidates for countering Surgical Strike, and if they have X Force and you're using GSBW and everything else is equal, you'll probably still lose rather badly just because the difference between those two characters is too great.

T_REZ5000

Phantron wrote:

T-REZ5000 wrote:

I don't understand why people want x-force nerfed. Is it because he's better than any 3* (after sentry nerf)?

According to that logic then punisher and most 3*s should be nerfed. After all, they are better than 2*s.

Personally, I think 4*s should be better than 3*s. As such I think IW and fury (to a lesser extent) should be buffed to further differentiate their power level from the 3* tier.

He should be nerfed because Surgical Strike is pretty much game ending on red/green/yellow in most cases. Rage of the Panther doesn't even take half of the health off a top tier team (minus The Hood), but a decent Surgical Strike can knock out at least one character and usually more. Now, you might say 'what about black/blue/purple' since you should be able to have them about 50% of the time if the featured character is highest, or 87.5% of the time if the format is free form (as long as one of your three characters is strongest in black/blue/purple you just put that guy in center)? That works in theory except all the good characters are almost exclusively red/yellow/green for PvP. Here's a list of characters commonly seen in PvP:

X Force - green
Thor (4*) - red
Sentry - red
Thor - red
The Hood - yellow
Black Panther - yellow
Hulk - green
Patch - green
Daken - black
The Punisher - black
Magneto - blue

8 out of 11 of those characters are red/green/yellow for their strongest color, and I'm not really sure if Daken/Magneto are viable top tier PvP characters. Black is also vulnerable on defense (use Surgical Strike to kill Daken, and then Surgical Strike again on a new color) though at least it's safe for offense (AI never aims Surgical Strike at your Daken to combo into itself again). This can be solved relatively easily like say, make Battleplan purple instead of yellow, but for some reason D3 is allergic to the idea of having a character with strongest color in blue/purple that's viable in PvP. By the way, even if you start adding marginal characters like HT (red) or IM40 (red), you'll still find an overwhelming amount of R/Y/Gs even if you lower your standard for what's playable by a lot, with only GSBW (purple) and Deadpool (purple) showing up as viable candidates for countering Surgical Strike, and if they have X Force and you're using GSBW and everything else is equal, you'll probably still lose rather badly just because the difference between those two characters is too great.

I think the main problem here is people keep comparing x-force to 3*s. Of course he's much better than Black Panther. But isn't black panther leagues better than ares? And isn't ares much better than juggernaut?

My point is that there is a sharp increase in the effectiveness of characters based off rarity. If 3*>2*>1* (for the most part), then shouldn't it stand to reason that 4*>3*?

T_REZ5000

Phantron wrote:

T-REZ5000 wrote:

I don't understand why people want x-force nerfed. Is it because he's better than any 3* (after sentry nerf)?

According to that logic then punisher and most 3*s should be nerfed. After all, they are better than 2*s.

Personally, I think 4*s should be better than 3*s. As such I think IW and fury (to a lesser extent) should be buffed to further differentiate their power level from the 3* tier.

He should be nerfed because Surgical Strike is pretty much game ending on red/green/yellow in most cases. Rage of the Panther doesn't even take half of the health off a top tier team (minus The Hood), but a decent Surgical Strike can knock out at least one character and usually more. Now, you might say 'what about black/blue/purple' since you should be able to have them about 50% of the time if the featured character is highest, or 87.5% of the time if the format is free form (as long as one of your three characters is strongest in black/blue/purple you just put that guy in center)? That works in theory except all the good characters are almost exclusively red/yellow/green for PvP. Here's a list of characters commonly seen in PvP:

X Force - green
Thor (4*) - red
Sentry - red
Thor - red
The Hood - yellow
Black Panther - yellow
Hulk - green
Patch - green
Daken - black
The Punisher - black
Magneto - blue

8 out of 11 of those characters are red/green/yellow for their strongest color, and I'm not really sure if Daken/Magneto are viable top tier PvP characters. Black is also vulnerable on defense (use Surgical Strike to kill Daken, and then Surgical Strike again on a new color) though at least it's safe for offense (AI never aims Surgical Strike at your Daken to combo into itself again). This can be solved relatively easily like say, make Battleplan purple instead of yellow, but for some reason D3 is allergic to the idea of having a character with strongest color in blue/purple that's viable in PvP. By the way, even if you start adding marginal characters like HT (red) or IM40 (red), you'll still find an overwhelming amount of R/Y/Gs even if you lower your standard for what's playable by a lot, with only GSBW (purple) and Deadpool (purple) showing up as viable candidates for countering Surgical Strike, and if they have X Force and you're using GSBW and everything else is equal, you'll probably still lose rather badly just because the difference between those two characters is too great.

I think the main problem here is people keep comparing x-force to 3*s. Of course he's much better than Black Panther. But isn't black panther leagues better than ares? And isn't ares much better than juggernaut?

My point is that there is a sharp increase in the effectiveness of characters based off rarity. If 3*>2*>1* (for the most part), then shouldn't it stand to reason that a 4* should be better than a 3*?

I think that D3 buffing x-force was the first step in bringing about a new tier of power above the 3* level. Lady Thor is the second step of the plan and I'm sure eventually IW will also be buffed to be brought in line with them.

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I dont understand this.. ppl asked for xforce buff cuz he was awfull. He gets buffed and becomes what a 4* should be. And now theres ppl asking for a nerf... is he op? Hell no! Is he powerfull? Yes he is and thats what he should be...