**** Wolverine (X-Force) **** [PRE 2015-04]

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unco_dan wrote:

should i wait until i amass another 100k iso to level xforce (5/4/3) up from 166? i'm afraid of how it will effect my MMR having xforce above 166.

It won't affect your (PVP) mmr directly - it'll affect your PVE scaling. If you like PVE more than PVP, you might want to hold off leveling him.

Unknown

I asked in the tips forum how i could improve my pvp and how i can level X-Force up.

I try this forum for this character.

I have some full 166 and x-force too with 4/3/5 level 166. I have some difficulties to have more than 750 pointd in PvP (i m european so events often ends at 6 am)

I have 2800 HP, a slot in advance for the next new character.

Shall i buy his last 5th green cover and level him up ? Will it be easier for me iin PvP (110 000 iso to invest, and his already 166)...what about my MMR ? I have LazyThor full 5/5/3...A good character with xforce ?

I think that if i buy a 4th black, it is a bad idea...4/4/5 and prey for a black or green cover

Thanks for you advices !

MarcusGraves

Darek wrote:

I asked in the tips forum how i could improve my pvp and how i can level X-Force up.

I try this forum for this character.

I have some full 166 and x-force too with 4/3/5 level 166. I have some difficulties to have more than 750 pointd in PvP (i m european so events often ends at 6 am)

I have 2800 HP, a slot in advance for the next new character.

Shall i buy his last 5th green cover and level him up ? Will it be easier for me iin PvP (110 000 iso to invest, and his already 166)...what about my MMR ? I have LazyThor full 5/5/3...A good character with xforce ?

I think that if i buy a 4th black, it is a bad idea...4/4/5 and prey for a black or green cover

Thanks for you advices !

get the 5th green for few reasons

-more damage
-gets better at cascades
-easy to use multiple times at 8 green

if you ranked black to 4 you won't get more damage or anything as helpful as the rank 5 green, just the enemy strongest color drain. i'd do the 5/3/5 and make your way towards 5/5/3 as you get more black covers.

also you don't really have to level max him right away, 4 stars are really more dependant on their power rankings than their level so if you have other good 3*'s to level I would probably do that first, 4*'s take a lot of ISO investment to level.

mjh

dark6969 wrote:

Need a little help so I have in at 230 now I checked the stats of 230 vs 270 and wanted to ask everyone opinion if it's a waste of ISO to spend 150K to get him to 270 when I can use it to level other characters. I know many will say you have to have him max. But I don't see a big difference in stats in those expensive 40 extra levels All I see is 2 more , 3 more , 2 more and 1634 HP

Level 230 Stats

9326
62
79
71

Level 270

10960
64
82
73

The big factor you left out is the damage X-Force and Surgical Strike do at lvl230.

At 270 we know they do 3441dmg and 522dmg per tile. This of course is all pre-cascade

EDIT BY Nonce
Level 231
X-Force -- 3325 damage
Surgical Strike -- 506 damage per tile

Unknown

So my first thread was locked due to the mistaken notion that the use of a former mainstream term for someone with down's syndrome was somehow racist.

Anyways. Recently wolverine xforce was beefed up. Why? Lord knows. However. With all the work i have done, time i have spent, and money i have spent - the fact that i ritually lose to, and am paired with 200+ level wolverine xforce ( and other 4 star characters ) with my 166 and less crew is ridiculous.

If you want to make a 4 star tier like you have a 166 tier and a 94 tier, fine. But it is ridiculous that your matchmaking software allows people with 200+ level characters to stomp on others.

This exposes fundamental issues with your matchmaking as well as the perverse overpowering of x force powers. I dont know what the fix is but it isnt debuting beta ray bill.

Unknown

There are two really good strategies for dealing with XForce Wolvie: the first is don't attack him. The second is buy a shield. That's what we all do. Yes, it's frustrating that there are players out there sniping your chances to get more of his covers, but since you're a whale yourself ("I've spent hundreds on this game," is what you once said), why not just buy him? You'll have at least one of each colour, and more if you've been buying cover packs. $100 will get you eight covers. I suggest maxing Surgical Strike first, then X-Force. Those are real powerhouses, as I'm sure you've seen. Once you have him maxed, you won't be a team of 166's getting hit by a 200+. You'll be a team of two 166's and a 200+, getting hit by the same, only now it'll be even teams.

PS "Mongoloid," is a racist term. First, it originated as a term for Asian people (whites being caucasoid and blacks being negroid), and it took on the added meaning of Down's Sydrome patients having the "mongoloid idiocy," referring to the epicanthic folds on their eyes. It's simultaneously offensive to Asians and the handicapped, though you only meant to offend the handicapped.

PPS We all know why X-Force was beefed up. He was useless. Now he isn't.

Unknown

What is right in the first post, is that Wolvie 4* was once useless, and is now really overpowered. The buff he tooked explains why everyone wants him now, but doesn't it mean that the buff was too heavy ? Probably ? No, in fact, it IS.

Unknown

All it means is that they should have done this buff at the beginning, to make the character powerful enough to justify his four stars. The only problem we face is the sudden buff dropping a great many pre-built four star killing machines into the metagame. He's as powerful as he should be. I'd be disappointed if he wasn't. In fact, I was disappointed when I first got him, because he didn't do anything. My copy is level 168, and he still doesn't do much.

There's nothing wrong with four star Wolvie, except for the need to use Sentry bombing to earn more covers.

Unknown

X-Force buff was going to happen whether you like it or not but I agree on unfair matchmaking. I suffer from l270 X-Force too and I haven't even got any maxed 3* characters.

vudu3

Darek wrote:

I asked in the tips forum how i could improve my pvp and how i can level X-Force up.

I try this forum for this character.

I have some full 166 and x-force too with 4/3/5 level 166. I have some difficulties to have more than 750 pointd in PvP (i m european so events often ends at 6 am)

I have 2800 HP, a slot in advance for the next new character.

Shall i buy his last 5th green cover and level him up ? Will it be easier for me iin PvP (110 000 iso to invest, and his already 166)...what about my MMR ? I have LazyThor full 5/5/3...A good character with xforce ?

I think that if i buy a 4th black, it is a bad idea...4/4/5 and prey for a black or green cover

Thanks for you advices !

Honestly, I wouldn't buy any covers for X-Force. They're just too expensive and will drain you entire reserve of HP. You're better off using your HP to shield in PVP to improve your scores.

Unknown

X Force is not that overpowering without 5 in Surgical Strike so I'd at least wait until you've enough to buy 2 black covers to think about leveling him.

Spoit

Phantron wrote:

X Force is not that overpowering without 5 in Surgical Strike so I'd at least wait until you've enough to buy 2 black covers to think about leveling him.

4k damage for 8 AP is really good by itself

Unknown

It is a little curious that players with lesser rosters regularly defeat much tougher and higher level opponents in PVE (unless scaling gets out control, see Unstable ISO-8). However, there is a large uproar about facing the same in PVP. I'm not judging either way. It's just something I found curious.

Unknown

Sometimes, the answer people give is, "That's how the game works." You could have put in the time to earn Ms. Marvel, a character you will never use, with the knowledge that whatever the prize for the next PVE is, you probably won't be able to win top unless you have her.

Now, the odds on favorite was that we'd be playing for Spider-Man or IM40 and wouldn't need Ms. Marvel anyways. But the only fair answer is that we knew she would be featured, and it's not everybody else's fault that you want Blade but didn't earn Ms. Marvel. It's a terrible system, but it's how the game works.

So quit talking about how unfair it is that you have to fight characters higher than you. That's what the skip button is for. Don't play those fights. And as for being attacked by those guys, either you find a way to get a better defensive team or you pay for a shield. Again, that's how the game works. If you don't have a top level Sentry/Daken/Hood/X-Force/Thor team, don't expect to shield hop to 1300 and beyond. If you're not actively trying to audition for The X-Men's lead squad, don't expect to win number one slot.

That's just how the game works.

It's a fair system because we're all playing within it. Nobody's getting an advantage. Not even the people who pay money. They just get the better stuff sooner than you do. Six months from now, if you've been playing every event and PVP, you'll have maxed out a few more three stars, and if you played right, they'll be the right ones. Hopefully, you didn't buy a Stark Salary and use it on Daredevil or Invisible Woman.

Unknown

stephen43084 wrote:

It is a little curious that players with lesser rosters regularly defeat much tougher and higher level opponents in PVE (unless scaling gets out control, see Unstable ISO-8). However, there is a large uproar about facing the same in PVP. I'm not judging either way. It's just something I found curious.

In PvE I have several characters receiving buffs. In PvP it is not the case. Also, most of the high level characters I beat in PvE are either only goon or 2 goons and a hero teams. I don't actually remember beating 3x166 hero teams in PvE. Not yet anyway. But in Shield Sim I have 2x166+270 and 2x270+166 teams waiting for me in my queue when my highest level guy is level 117 who is not usable cos he is Daredevil. I didn't realize he was bad when I leveled him. I have several others above level 100.

Vertigozooropa wrote:

...So quit talking about how unfair it is that you have to fight characters higher than you. That's what the skip button is for. Don't play those fights. And as for being attacked by those guys, either you find a way to get a better defensive team or you pay for a shield. Again, that's how the game works. If you don't have a top level Sentry/Daken/Hood/X-Force/Thor team, don't expect to shield hop to 1300 and beyond. If you're not actively trying to audition for The X-Men's lead squad, don't expect to win number one slot

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. Skipping doesn't solve anything. I lost 200 points in Shield Sim against those teams I mentioned above. Of course I can't retaliate and I skip them. Do I get easier opponents now? No. Same 166 teams. If yes, they are much lower than me in points. Thus, there is no point in me attacking them. I will gain 20-10 points maybe and I will lose 30+ points when they retaliate. I can agree on getting a better defensive team or paying for shields since those usually involve either spending many hours a day playing the game or paying actual money. It is sad but I think it's fair.

Unknown

Currently have xforce at level 200, what level should I take xforce up to (assuming I have enough to max him out to level 270)? I still have a lot of 3-stars to level up (Black panther, deadpool, lazy cap, cmag, etc.) and don't want to invest all that iso into 1 character.

Unknown

Then u want to lvl him to lvl 221. So that green isnt the strongest color.
Theres a thread explaining that can tremember wich one.
When i used to have him at lvl 221 and paired with hood and played against a mirror team, the strongest color would be from hood and not from Xforce.

Unknown

anyone know if a Lvl 158 4/4/3 Xforce can stand up to Sentry/Lthor of the same level? or perhaps a good PvP defensive deterrent? or is it still pretty weak unless you take it up over lvl 200?

I am trying to not level anything over 158 at the moment to keep scaling down but have always admire how good x-force is and want to use him more as he is only lvl 94 right now

vudu3

Your level isn't the problem--it's the covers. You really need 5 in green and black for X-Force to be a monster. As-is, a fully covered Thor or Sentry at 158 will generally be better than a 4/4/3 X-Force at 158.

Unknown

vudu3 wrote:

Your level isn't the problem--it's the covers. You really need 5 in green and black for X-Force to be a monster. As-is, a fully covered Thor or Sentry at 158 will generally be better than a 4/4/3 X-Force at 158.

Agreed. I've been seeing alot of 1/2-star rosters dumping all their into a partially covered Xforce. That's such a terrible idea for a transitioning player. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.