**** Wolverine (X-Force) **** [PRE 2015-04]

Phaserhawk

simonsez wrote:

Phaserhawk wrote:

I have 2 guys in my alliance who leveled their X-Forces up to 250 and aren't too happy about it because they lost a lot of flexibility in character compositions, and didn't get that much of a power increase.

I kinda get what your saying, but I'm not really sure why having him tank is that bad, since he can heal. I totally get not wanting green to be the best color in a mirror match, but except for cases like Hulk and Marvel, where you get a benefit out of the damage they take, what other flexibility is lost from raising him to a higher level?

Yes he heals, but not like Daken or Patch, it is semi reliable, you will be eating a lot of health packs with him. Not to mention you will be spending a **** ton of ISO for very small gains in hitpoints, tile strength, and skill power. You can go ahead, but when he starts to get worn down because he's always up, it gets annoying

NorthernPolarity

Phaserhawk wrote:

simonsez wrote:

Phaserhawk wrote:

I have 2 guys in my alliance who leveled their X-Forces up to 250 and aren't too happy about it because they lost a lot of flexibility in character compositions, and didn't get that much of a power increase.

I kinda get what your saying, but I'm not really sure why having him tank is that bad, since he can heal. I totally get not wanting green to be the best color in a mirror match, but except for cases like Hulk and Marvel, where you get a benefit out of the damage they take, what other flexibility is lost from raising him to a higher level?

Yes he heals, but not like Daken or Patch, it is semi reliable, you will be eating a lot of health packs with him. Not to mention you will be spending a **** ton of ISO for very small gains in hitpoints, tile strength, and skill power. You can go ahead, but when he starts to get worn down because he's always up, it gets annoying

Err... prologue healing?
Step 1. Go to venom node with X-Force, loaner Spidey, random level 1
Step 2. ???
Step 3. X-Force is fully healed!

I think it's good for X-Force to tank just for sanity reasons: I save a lot of health packs since I can heal him up at the prologue. That health pack saving is definitely worth the iso I spent on him for my roster. (Although phantrons point of the mirror is a good one). Also if you pair him with cap (which is a good pairing to begin with), cap blue makes his healing super reliable.

Unknown

X Force is plenty durable even with level 3 Recovery. I think it's somewhere around level 250 where his strongest match (green) becomes your team's strongest match over any 166 but since I just hit 'level to 270' when leveling him I can't say for sure. All you need is make sure his strongest color isn't stronger than a level 166's strongest color because this is a huge disadvantage in mirror matches, as that pretty much guaranteeds their Surgical Strike will kill at least one person and often ending the game because it's almost always going to be Surgical Strike -> 2 X Forces on any decent board.

He doesn't have diminishing returns but 4*s gain very little on match damage, and relatively little on match damage/HP compared to 3*s.

Since X Force can't be on the field on the same time as Patch, the only possible conflict in regeneration would be with Daken. Daken gets all his 3 colors over X Force if he's maxed so there's no conflict here.

Unknown

NorthernPolarity wrote:

I think it's good for X-Force to tank just for sanity reasons: I save a lot of health packs since I can heal him up at the prologue. That health pack saving is definitely worth the iso I spent on him for my roster. (Although phantrons point of the mirror is a good one). Also if you pair him with cap (which is a good pairing to begin with), cap blue makes his healing super reliable.

You can do both since his ability damage benefits very little from covers so somewhere around level 250 he'd still be nearly as good without worrying about the mirror match case. I don't regret taking him to 270 but there are many fights in PvP where it'd definitely have been easier against another X Force if my highest color isn't green unless I spent iso on every featured character to get them above level 120 or so.

john1620b

Phaserhawk wrote:

Yes and no 221 is the Magic number. If you want X-Force to never tank green no matter the position as long as you have a character with strongest green on your team then yes, 221 is the number. If you want to take a 4* up to 3* tile strength stats then you can go up some levels
Then from level 222 to 225 4*s have same tile stats as 3*'s
then from level 226 to 229 4*s 3rd strongest color is more than a 3*'s 3rd strongest color
from level 230 to 233 the 4's 2nd stronget color is more than a 3*'s second strongest color
from level 234 on then a 4* has higher tile strength in their 3 main colors over a 3 star

Mostly right, but see my discussion here:

When do 4* characters overtake 3* ones in match damage?

At 222 X-Force will start tanking green for primary green users, black for secondary black users, and yellow for tertiary yellow users. He tanks regardless of position, so there's no positioning to fall back on for switching out strongest tile color.

Unknown

I'm mulling over running an Xforce/Hood/featured combo. Does anyone have any idea when Xforce's yellow hits 64? He's 62 at lvl 235 and I'm not sure how much more investment I need to make for him to tank for my 128 Hood.

Unknown

Considering 64 is his max for yellow damage I'd say you need to be pretty close to, if not actually at, 270.

Unknown

Yuck...and thanks.

Unknown

Hi,

I need advices for this **** character !

I have him level 152 2/3/5 for the moment.

I can level him up (can we say that, i'm not english ) to level 209 for 100 000 (Aouch, expensive)...I should have a green cover at the end of the 6th season...Si it will be 3/3/5 for level 230 i guess...

Does it worth it to invest in this character ? Which characters are good with him ? I play Punisher (5/5/3), Lazycap (3/5/5) IM 40 (5/5/2), patch (5/4/4) and a little Black Panther (4/3/4), Spidey (4/2/5), MBW (5/1/4), Lazy thor (4/5/3) and some few with a little less covers...

Thank you in advance because it is hard to find informations about him !

Phaserhawk

Darek wrote:

Hi,

I need advices for this **** character !

I have him level 152 2/3/5 for the moment.

I can level him up (can we say that, i'm not english ) to level 209 for 100 000 (Aouch, expensive)...I should have a green cover at the end of the 6th season...Si it will be 3/3/5 for level 230 i guess...

Does it worth it to invest in this character ? Which characters are good with him ? I play Punisher (5/5/3), Lazycap (3/5/5) IM 40 (5/5/2), patch (5/4/4) and a little Black Panther (4/3/4), Spidey (4/2/5), MBW (5/1/4), Lazy thor (4/5/3) and some few with a little less covers...

Thank you in advance because it is hard to find informations about him !

In short he's probably the best character in the game, other than maybe Sentry. The prefered build is 5/5/3, but you could opt for 3/5/5 or 4/5/4, Surgical Strike is too good not to max. But because 4*'s are so cover dependent, over a 3*, I think you might be better served leveling up Punisher, Patch, Lazycap, etc. before X-Force, once you can get him fully covered then start mass dumping, I'm not saying not to level him, definetely throw a few levels at him, but I would spend my ISO on the other guys first.

atomzed

Darek wrote:

Hi,

I need advices for this **** character !

I have him level 152 2/3/5 for the moment.

I can level him up (can we say that, i'm not english ) to level 209 for 100 000 (Aouch, expensive)...I should have a green cover at the end of the 6th season...Si it will be 3/3/5 for level 230 i guess...

Does it worth it to invest in this character ?
Thank you in advance because it is hard to find informations about him !

As phaserhawk has said, it's better not to level him. Because in your case, you don't have 5 green nor 5 black. Those are the two most important skill. Level is less important than cover.

At 5 green, you are doing around 3+k at level 150+. But if you have him at 4 green at level 200+, you are doing for around 2+k.

So you are better off spending your iso on other 3* character first until you get 5 green or 5 yellow.

Unknown

Question what would be the best build I have him 4/5/4

Phaserhawk

5/5/3 is the favored build.

any build with 5 in surgical strike will be the "best build" The most popular build is 5/5/3, if I couldn't go 5/5/3 I would go 4/5/4 as I think 3/5/5 is way to dependent on that CD tile

Unknown

Need a little help so I have in at 230 now I checked the stats of 230 vs 270 and wanted to ask everyone opinion if it's a waste of ISO to spend 150K to get him to 270 when I can use it to level other characters. I know many will say you have to have him max. But I don't see a big difference in stats in those expensive 40 extra levels All I see is 2 more to Y 3 more to G and 2 More to Black and 1634 HP

Level 230 Stats

HP 9326
Yellow 62
Green 79
Black 71

Level 270

HP 10960
Yellow 64
Green 82
Black 73

Unknown

dark6969 wrote:

Need a little help so I have in at 230 now I checked the stats of 230 vs 270 and wanted to ask everyone opinion if it's a waste of ISO to spend 150K to get him to 270 when I can use it to level other characters. I know many will say you have to have him max. But I don't see a big difference in stats in those expensive 40 extra levels All I see is 2 more to Y 3 more to G and 2 More to Black and 1634 HP

Level 230 Stats

HP 9326
Yellow 62
Green 79
Black 71

Level 270

HP 10960
Yellow 64
Green 82
Black 73

Since the highest match damage for 3* is also 79 I can't tell if this means your X Force has the highest match damage on your team. If he already has the highest match damage, then you might as well max him out if you can afford him. If he does NOT have the highest match damage, leave him at this level because having green as your highest match damage makes all mirror matches against X Force way harder, as Surgical Strike on green is often a game ending move. If you have someone with a green as highest damage (like Hulk) put him on your team and see who gets the green. If X Force gets the green then he already has the highest match damage.

Of course if you can't afford to max him out then you can certainly do without those levels, but unless you got Sentry/The Hood waiting in the wings don't see a point to save iso for anyone else once you cross the threshold that makes X Force have highest match damage on your team.

NorthernPolarity

dark6969 wrote:

Need a little help so I have in at 230 now I checked the stats of 230 vs 270 and wanted to ask everyone opinion if it's a waste of ISO to spend 150K to get him to 270 when I can use it to level other characters. I know many will say you have to have him max. But I don't see a big difference in stats in those expensive 40 extra levels All I see is 2 more to Y 3 more to G and 2 More to Black and 1634 HP

Level 230 Stats

HP 9326
Yellow 62
Green 79
Black 71

Level 270

HP 10960
Yellow 64
Green 82
Black 73

Question 1: How far along is your roster?

Question 2: Do you use X-Force in 90% of your matches?

The main benefit to getting X-Force to 270 is intimidation factor. Even though the difference between 230 and 270 isn't much as you said, psychologically it probably makes more of a difference than you think since I (and probably a lot of the rest of the playerbase) am much more likely to attack a 230 X-Force team than a 270 one. The 1.6k HP is roughly 10-15% more hp, which is probably worth it if you play him anywhere near as much as I do.

That being said, do you actually have other guys in your roster that need the iso more than XF? If your roster is developed in any way (say, you have Hood / Sentry / LT / BP / LCap maxed or something along those lines), then I would suggest just maxing out X-Force if you play him literally all the time.

Unknown

Thanks for the help this are all the ones I have maxed. SO what would you guys recommend this my roster. I do have some I have all the covers but not maxed like Hulk Panther Magneto Human Torch She Hulk Psylocke Spider Man and Deardevil.

Captain America 166
Daken 166
Deadpool 166
Sentry 166
The Hood 166
Punisher 166
Thor 166
Patch 166
Doom 140

Unknown

dark6969 wrote:

Thanks for the help this are all the ones I have maxed. SO what would you guys recommend this my roster. I do have some I have all the covers but not maxed like Hulk Panther Magneto Human Torch She Hulk Psylocke Spider Man and Deardevil.

Captain America 166
Daken 166
Deadpool 166
Sentry 166
The Hood 166
Punisher 166
Thor 166
Patch 166
Doom 140

You can either do Hood + Sentry or Hood + X Force. Most events you don't even get to pick the third character anyway, but Captain America seems like the best for color coverage since you don't need another person covering green when you got Sentry or X Force. Again it shouldn't even matter very often because you don't get to pick the third person in the vast majority of PvP events. Sentry is likely a stronger character until the nerf though, but his play style isn't for everyone.

Spoit

The 3 main 3rds for the hood/xforce combo are:

1. classic mags- red and blue spender, his red has pretty crazy synergy if cast before Surgical

2. steve rogers: another red/blue, tanks yellow for hood which is nice, but be careful about wiping out your countdown tiles with x-force's indescriminate tile destruction

3. DP: in case your opponent's strong color is purple, also his red can bring some people down for a quick x-force kill. Supposedly is able to jump in front for hood, but I've rarely seen it actually happen.

Unknown

Ok so lets say PVP.s X-Force + Hood and Simulator X-Force + Hood + Cap. So back to the main question with the covers I have should I max him.