how loud do we need to complain about drop rates

Squirreljester

Shadow_Wraith wrote:

It used to be that way with the fat packs and big boxes. I cant remember if it stopped with the bfz packs but I remember buying big boxes and after all cards were drawn, a single cars could appear and it was a rare/mythic depending on the fat pack/ big box purchased. I would love to see this as well as packs puchased through runes as well again.

I would love to buy packs with runes, or even buy specific cards with runes, or maybe even buy a higher percentage change at a mythic with runes, 100 for an added 10% chance for a mythic or a rare, and a 25% added chance for an uncommon.

I didn't even buy Sorin, I'm not spending $35 on a plainswalker that I know I can't get the cards to make him work well after I have him because the drop rates suck.

huntly

Duplicate cards aren't even the issue here. I would expect them. I don't want everyone to have the same cards either, the game would become monotonous and extremely difficult for new players to get interested. Also, a few elusive common and uncommon help keep battles fresh. Sure it would suck to get so many of the same mythic in a row but you can spend $25 on crystals for a BB and only have 1 rare to show for it.

Exchanging duplicate rare and mythic cards for runes is undesirable to say the least but to add a trading system would ruin the game by give everyone all the cards.(maybe less so if formatted battles were introduced like standard, modern, pauper ect.) Also, if a trading system did come about it would only be fair if it forced everyone to exchange current dups first. The idea I like is to instead exchange rares for basic boosters and mythics for regular boosters(maybe origins for better base sets all around or the set that the mythic came from) or crystals for them so we have some type of reroll.

This is all beside the point that the drop rates are so low for random rares and mythics that anyone who doesn't have high enough amounts disposable income won't spend money on such a gamble. I would spend money on a guaranteed mythic even if its a chance at a dup. I've only ever got 2, 1 origins 1 bfz, so my chances are high in those for a new one and guaranteed in all other sets that don't include those two cards. I have the urge to spend on and support this game, but as it stands now it's not worth it to me.

P.S. I really do love this game and applaud all the work that has gone into it. I think it could become as big as paper magic.

Steeme

I bought a Dragon's Hoard this morning. 2 SOI Big Box and 2 SOI Fat Pack.

I got 2 rares that I needed, 1 or 2 uncommons, not sure if I needed any of the commons.

I was happy to get the Diregraf Colossus so it wasn't a complete bust.

But really, 90.00 CAD for one really good card. Ouch.

The icing on the cake? The 2 rares came out of one of the Fat packs. Both of the Big Boxes were completely bugged. One of the boxes I got 3 Tamiyo's Journal. I'm Ok with getting it as a duplicate, but 3 of them in the same Big Box? Come on, it really hurts when that happens because you've basically wasted three "Rare" pulls on the same card. The RNG algorithm has "technically" fulfilled the "rarity" requirement by only providing 3 rares in the big box, but since it was the same card three times, I feel a little cheated.

jimilinho_

Steeme wrote:

I bought a Dragon's Hoard this morning. 2 SOI Big Box and 2 SOI Fat Pack.

I got 2 rares that I needed, 1 or 2 uncommons, not sure if I needed any of the commons.

I was happy to get the Diregraf Colossus so it wasn't a complete bust.

But really, 90.00 CAD for one really good card. Ouch.

The icing on the cake? The 2 rares came out of one of the Fat packs. Both of the Big Boxes were completely bugged. One of the boxes I got 3 Tamiyo's Journal. I'm Ok with getting it as a duplicate, but 3 of them in the same Big Box? Come on, it really hurts when that happens because you've basically wasted three "Rare" pulls on the same card. The RNG algorithm has "technically" fulfilled the "rarity" requirement by only providing 3 rares in the big box, but since it was the same card three times, I feel a little cheated.

What's gonna hurt even more is when you realise Diregraf Colossus is broken at the moment, hopefully it will get fixed soon though!

Mangus 73

I hope every one got some good stuff from the free 250. I got a fat pack and not one single rare and only one uncommen I needed. No dev gonna comment on this thread? Your drop rates are sucking big time.
Oh wait, here comes that guy that got 3 mythics in his free booster.
Couldn't care less at this point but I feel sorry for any new comers to the game cause this is turning into a whales game.
Save ur stuff for characters as the booster sets are a joke.

blacklotus

Mangus 73 wrote:

I hope every one got some good stuff from the free 250. I got a fat pack and not one single rare and only one uncommen I needed. No dev gonna comment on this thread? Your drop rates are sucking big time.
Oh wait, here comes that guy that got 3 mythics in his free booster.
Couldn't care less at this point but I feel sorry for any new comers to the game cause this is turning into a whales game.
Save ur stuff for characters as the booster sets are a joke.

that's what I am doing now: spending crystals on new pw like nahlri today.

I used to spend crystals on bb, but the mythic drop rates got so bad compared to when the just started out that I don't do it anymore.

maybe buying Color specified bb, u might stand a better chance of getting cards u want by eliminating many of those u already have.

HomeRn

This might sound like a fluke, but I think that "emergency maintenance" from yesterday may have done something with the drop rates in a good way as I found out this morning...

So I get up to open up my 8-hour freebie booster, first two cards are commons (as expected) followed by a white card - which proceeds to shake... "Lemme guess - Lantern Scout again?" *A wild General Tazri appeared!* "Wait what? You can get that from a FREE BOOSTER...?! I'll take it! "

That was probably better than the Akorium Firebird I somehow managed to pull out of another free booster the day the Battle of Zendikar set dropped for us (and I was really considering quitting at that point)! Got breakfast while trying to rack my brain around that development, then did my event battles to get me up to 150 points for the reward. Noticed that I had 600 crystals built up, decided to go for a SoI BB since I still have dozens of cards that I need from it. Very first card turns out to be Seasons Past (which is fixed now IIRC)! The BB turned out to be rather decent - 3 more rares that I was missing including Altered Ego as well as Goldnight Castigator.

Now I'm debating if I should get more boxes with the luck I'm seeing right now...

Netatron

Spent 600 on a green big box yesterday. 2 rares, 1 mythic. All dupes.

I think this makes about 11 of the 40 times I've gotten a mythic (2 of which were from PvE) dupes.

Mangus 73

Netatron wrote:

Spent 600 on a green big box yesterday. 2 rares, 1 mythic. All dupes.

I think this makes about 11 of the 40 times I've gotten a mythic (2 of which were from PvE) dupes.

Your lucky, not pulled a rare that wasn't guaranteed or a mythic in 6 weeks now.

glggwp

Mangus 73 wrote:

Netatron wrote:

Spent 600 on a green big box yesterday. 2 rares, 1 mythic. All dupes.

I think this makes about 11 of the 40 times I've gotten a mythic (2 of which were from PvE) dupes.

Your lucky, not pulled a rare that wasn't guaranteed or a mythic in 6 weeks now.

yes, this guy is lucky. i bought a green big box earlier this week and only got 3 dupe rates...

Pqmtg-

Netatron wrote:

Spent 600 on a green big box yesterday. 2 rares, 1 mythic. All dupes.

I think this makes about 11 of the 40 times I've gotten a mythic (2 of which were from PvE) dupes.

The fact that it was a dupe has nothing to do with drop rates. The bell curve to gauge randomness has been described before, and as long as your deviation isn't far from the norm, dupes are an expected result, not a sign of malicious coding.

glggwp

Pqmtg- wrote:

Netatron wrote:

Spent 600 on a green big box yesterday. 2 rares, 1 mythic. All dupes.

I think this makes about 11 of the 40 times I've gotten a mythic (2 of which were from PvE) dupes.

The fact that it was a dupe has nothing to do with drop rates. The bell curve to gauge randomness has been described before, and as long as your deviation isn't far from the norm, dupes are an expected result, not a sign of malicious coding.

how do ya know its not something like

for i = 1 to numOfCards
x = roll( 0 to 1 )

if x < 0.006
y = roll( 0 to 1 )

if y < 0.3
giveANewMythic
else
giveADupeMythic

Pqmtg-

glggwp wrote:

Pqmtg- wrote:

Netatron wrote:

Spent 600 on a green big box yesterday. 2 rares, 1 mythic. All dupes.

I think this makes about 11 of the 40 times I've gotten a mythic (2 of which were from PvE) dupes.

The fact that it was a dupe has nothing to do with drop rates. The bell curve to gauge randomness has been described before, and as long as your deviation isn't far from the norm, dupes are an expected result, not a sign of malicious coding.

how do ya know its not something like

for i = 1 to numOfCards
x = roll( 0 to 1 )

if x < 0.006
y = roll( 0 to 1 )

if y < 0.3
giveANewMythic
else
giveADupeMythic

Because then, most people's first two mythics would be dupes. Were your first two dupes?


Occam's razor man. Pure randomness already gives you this result. No need to look for malicious code that just creates the extra work for devs.

fox1342

Also had a great SOI box - Castigator, Thing (dup), Diregraf, drownyard, Hanweir, SIlverfur, and 3 other dup rares. I'm never complaining about the drop rate again.

rob443

My last SOI big box gave me 2 Mythic (Seasons Past + Thing In The Ice) + 6 Rares. Not bad.

paralistalon

How loud? The only thing I got from this thread is that people are still spending $90 at a time under the current drop rate structure so if I was D3, there's no way I would change the rates.

speakupaskanswer

Two or three days ago a free booster gave me Munda's Vanguard and (my second) Defiant Bloodlord. Today, I got Fevered Visions from it. No need for me to spend any dollars.

David [Hi-Fi] Moore

Drop rates are always being considered and discussed to find the perfect balance. This is a topic receiving lots of internal consideration at the moment.

Appreciate the feedback. Moving to feedback forum.

Thank you.

Cwest79

I have actually never felt more cheated and robbed by a company, product or game than I did 3 days ago.

I bought crystals multiple times for a total of 4 Green Card Big Boxes in my attempt to try and procure Seasons Past and Ulvenwald Hydra
the only cards I really really want and need for my Green Deck.

The drop rates are absolutely ridiculous, horrid, appalling and so disheartening.

I received 6 to8 mythics and maybe 12 to 15 Rares
I wish I kept an exact record but I was on my lunch break at work. I had just gotten my direct deposit it was after 2 am where I was and had less than an hour before the option of buying the Green Card Set was over with.

Now mind you I have been playing for quite some time now and have a healthy collection going.

I received 2 mythics I didn't have
The rest were all duplicates
I also received 2 Rares I didn't have
The rest were all Duplicates.
I was only going to get 2 big boxes because 36.99 for imaginary cards is a lot of money to me and as such bought the 1300 crystals.
Opened them to get 1 mythic and 1 rare I didn't have.
Feeling completely **** I then bought 500 more crystals for 14.99 and then the 100 more for 2.99
And another Big Boxes
No mythics I needed and 2 rares I didn't have
Feeling my chances of getting my desired Ulvenwald was fairly good as it was only green cards I was buying
I did it 1 more time
500 crystals for 14.99 and the 100 more for 2.99
Now I was at like what 73.00 dollars at that point which wasn't intended
Obviously
Because I would've bought the 3000 for 74.99 and would have gotten 500 more crystals for just about the same amount of money.
But I just couldn't quite justify spending that amount of real money on this game due to the fact that the drop rates suck and there doesn't seem to be a way for them to allow us better odds at getting the cards we don't have.
Yes it's so awesome getting 2 or 3 of the same friggin sub par mythics and rares that we already have.

So yeah I work 55-60 hours a week,
I'm a single father of 2 and I get by with a little spending money here and there.

To invest the amount that I just did (which I'm sure people have spent more, no one forced me too and nothing is guaranteed)
I have never felt more cheated and crapped on by a product and company than I did that night.
I never want to feel the way I did after that again and as such will be extremely extremely hesitant to spend any more of my hard earned money on this game.

Cwest79

Pqmtg- wrote:

andrewvanmarle wrote:

In addition to looking at drop rates I'd'really like the devs to look at reducing the amount of rare/mythic duplicates

It seems like some cards just have a greater chance for popping up:

by now I have quite a few mythics in triplicate, and got doubles in the same big box.

Maybe we could trade two duplicate mythics for one of choice? Even that would help....

I don't want to always be that guy, but in these threads it seems like no one else like to point out that getting duplicate and triplicate cards are an expected result of random draws.

For paper mtg players, this can't even be a new experience.

At least in paper mtg you actually need 4 of certain cards for your decks