**** Punisher (Max) ****

spccrain

Can we get some details on puns powers?

simonsez

spccrain wrote:

Can we get some details on puns powers?

As per current norm, we'll probably have to wait for a sandboxer to clue us in this afternoon.

GrumpySmurf1002

Between the Easter release and no stats to determine if he's worth it, sure making it easy to bracket shop/skip this one.

TxMoose

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

Between the Easter release and no stats to determine if he's worth it, sure making it easy to bracket shop/skip this one.

if only I didn't need the iso...

ZeiramMR

Warbringa wrote:

I will say there was a Marvel What If comic that supposed what if Venom symbiote had merged with the Punisher instead of Spiderman....it was pretty awesome.

That is one of the few What If comics I have read, and you are right.

Cousin Simpson

So who is this Max Castle? Looks like he might be Frank's older brother.

spccrain

I've seen him at 5/5/5 lvl 270 (don't know how to post pics here) *5/5/5 is because the person who showed the pic has him champed lol*

Black 5 covers- deals 4544 damage plus 756 for each strike tile. Becomes Army of One (nothing for that yet)

Green 5 covers - stuns allies 2 turns, deals 2598 plus additional 3372 for each downed enemy

Blue 5 covers - create 3 144 strike tiles plus
Passive- friendly strike increased by 25%

He seems like he's worth having! Paired with oml he's a scary soab

GrumpySmurf1002

spccrain wrote:

I've seen him at 5/5/5 lvl 270 (don't know how to post pics here) *5/5/5 is because the person who showed the pic has him champed lol*

Black 5 covers- deals 4544 damage plus 756 for each strike tile. Becomes Army of One (nothing for that yet)

Green 5 covers - stuns allies 2 turns, deals 2598 plus additional 3372 for each downed enemy

Blue 5 covers - create 3 144 strike tiles plus
Passive- friendly strike increased by 25%

He seems like he's worth having! Paired with oml he's a scary soab

What is this OML you speak of?

edit: nevermind. Looks like easy 5/3/5 to me. Not building around a strategy of killing my own team.

spccrain

Sounds the same to me interested in what aoo can do.

Jaedenkaal

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

spccrain wrote:

I've seen him at 5/5/5 lvl 270 (don't know how to post pics here) *5/5/5 is because the person who showed the pic has him champed lol*

Black 5 covers- deals 4544 damage plus 756 for each strike tile. Becomes Army of One (nothing for that yet)

Green 5 covers - stuns allies 2 turns, deals 2598 plus additional 3372 for each downed enemy

Blue 5 covers - create 3 144 strike tiles plus
Passive- friendly strike increased by 25%

He seems like he's worth having! Paired with oml he's a scary soab

What is this OML you speak of?

edit: nevermind. Looks like easy 5/3/5 to me. Not building around a strategy of killing my own team.

That Green is for each downed enemy, not for each downed ally. Looks like a multi-use move, either for enabling Army of One (if that turns out to be worth anything) or for one-shotting the last enemy. Stunning your team doesn't matter at all if you win that turn. You could also use it to intentionally prevent GG from stunning your team

GrumpySmurf1002

Jaedenkaal wrote:

That Green is for each downed enemy, not for each downed ally. Looks like a multi-use move, either for enabling Army of One (if that turns out to be worth anything) or for one-shotting the last enemy. Stunning your team doesn't matter at all if you win that turn. You could also use it to intentionally prevent GG from stunning your team

Man I read that 5 times and saw "downed ally" each time. I'm getting old.

So then we're back to dependencies on how each color scales.

simonsez

Even at 5, his blue is pretty weak (3x144 strike tiles), and I'm assuming the whole point of this character is to chain green into black to trigger Army of One, so 5/5/3 seems like an easy choice to me.

FierceKiwi

simonsez wrote:

spccrain wrote:

Can we get some details on puns powers?

As per current norm, we'll probably have to wait for a sandboxer to clue us in this afternoon.

Speaking of:

Punish
1 cover: 556 Damage / 93 Damage per friendly strike
2 covers: 806 / 121
3 covers: 973 / 177 MAX 1894 / 342
4 covers: 1473 / 233 MAX 2867 / 450
5 covers: 2335 / 391 MAX 4544 / 756

Army of One: Too lazy to get all that.

Merciless Charge
1 cover: 639 Damage / 574 Damage per downed Enemy
2 covers: 741 / 704
3 covers: 833 / 833 MAX 1624 / 1623
4 covers: 1019 / 1120 MAX 1985 / 2182
5 covers: 1334 / 1731 MAX 2598 / 3372

Weapons Expertise
1 cover: 1 Strike tile / 65 Strength / 8% Boost to Strikes
2 covers: 1 / 84 / 12%
3 covers: 2 / 56 / 16% MAX 2 / 108 / 16%
4 covers: 2 / 74 / 20% MAX 2 / 144 / 20%
5 covers: 3 / 74 / 25% MAX 3 / 144 / 25%

It's kinda sad that I seem to care more about a game I don't play than the people who actually make the thing.

GrumpySmurf1002

simonsez wrote:

Even at 5, his blue is pretty weak (3x144 strike tiles), and I'm assuming the whole point of this character is to chain green into black to trigger Army of One, so 5/5/3 seems like an easy choice to me.

For non-champed yeah, that's probably best. I could still see swapping a champed version to 5/3/5 often.

simonsez

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

For non-champed yeah, that's probably best. I could still see swapping a champed version to 5/3/5 often.

But when he's champed and boosted, his green becomes a 20k finishing move. That might be good to have in your back pocket.

Jaedenkaal

simonsez wrote:

Even at 5, his blue is pretty weak (3x144 strike tiles), and I'm assuming the whole point of this character is to chain green into black to trigger Army of One, so 5/5/3 seems like an easy choice to me.

Technically they'll (almost) always function as Strength 180 Strike tiles since he'll boost them by 25% as well, which isn't THAT much worse than Rocket Man or Danger Zone. Plus, a 25% boost could also be bonkers with any other character that rapidly produces Strike tiles of almost any size, like... Nova. Or OML. I hear he's pretty good.

Vhailorx

They released the character name and the silly interview thing yesterday, but still haven't updated this page? [edit: now updated. Thanks cthulu!]

And yes, from fiercekiwi's post it's probably best to go with 5/5/3.

And that blue seems a bit underwhelmining. 8ap for 3x180 strike tiles (effectively) is mostly on par with black partner's battle plan or judgment, 3* powers. Yes, he will also boost every other strike tile, but that is only especially useful with good teammates who make beefy/lots strike tiles. Yay, i guess. But good teammates who make beefy/lots strike tiles (*cough*oml, bp, phoenix, blade, nova, x-23, etc*cough*) are all generally pretty good on their own anyway.

So at first glance 4*pun seems kinda meh. "Good when paired already excellent characters" isn't a high priority niche in the meta. But I can definitely see some uses for him. Sad that 3* pun still has a much much better finishing move.

CrookedKnight

I think 5/5/3 or 5/3/5 is going to depend equally on (a) pairings with strike-heavy characters; and (b) how good Army of One is. If we're going to be using Merciless Charge mainly to power up his black, then it makes sense not to max it because even at five covers Merciless Charge is not very good with no downed enemies.

Piro_plock

Army of One costs 7AP. The stats at level 270:
3 covers: creates 2 strength 18 Strike tiles, then deals 2291 damage + 398 per friendly Strike tile
4 covers: 2 strength 36 , 3608 dmg + 506 per
5 covers: 2 strength 36 , 5376 dmg + 940 per

Hope this helps.

Cthulhu

Now updated with his abilties