**** Wolverine (X-Force) ****

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  • Crowl
    Crowl Posts: 1,580 Chairperson of the Boards
    Bruinsfan17 wrote:
    Any idea if XFW will get a slight buff at some point? I haven't gone through all the 4* but he seems to have the lowest health of anyone(except PX) All the 4* seem to have almost 14000 health at max but why not XF? Cause he heals I guess? Which leads me to his yellow power. I think it would be better if it were a passive heal like all the other Wolverines or maybe increase the CD timer and have him gain health every turn its on the board. And it would still do dmg if destroyed. Obvioulsy his green needs a dmg boost as well. It's frustrating having him as my only maxed 4* and not being able to stand up to the rest of the 4* because he just pales in comparison to all the others. Even just an increase in health would make him that much more useful.

    Your idea for reworking his yellow seems like a great one, so it is not an all or nothing thing on the heal and of course he needs more hp, but maybe the boost to green should be an increase to its board shake as much as the damage.
  • Yoik
    Yoik Posts: 251 Mover and Shaker
    Er..... rumors that XF has been skipped on DP Ledge because of a stealth possible tweak? What say you?

    Please give him more health at the very least. Boost his green a bit. Done
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    I think xfw's yellow should be reworked as a passive like switch's blue. He autospawn's a CD tile thatbheales him or does damage if matched away (maybe only when latched by enemy). This would make his healing much better while still feeling different from other wolvie versions.

    He should also get a bit more health (13k would be fine), and maybe some more damage at 5 green to make the choice of green v. Yellow harder.

    (colossus' yellow should work the same way too, a passively spawning cd, perhaps once he collects a set amount of yelloe)
  • Clamoe100
    Clamoe100 Posts: 53
    Does anyone have any confirmation of a buff? I keep hearing rumors. I don't want to get my hopes up.
  • Quebbster
    Quebbster Posts: 8,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Clamoe100 wrote:
    Does anyone have any confirmation of a buff? I keep hearing rumors. I don't want to get my hopes up.
    Not yet, but we did get confirmation that the delaying of his DDQ was intentional. The clue for the next Patch fits Wolverine well too. I suspect it will be announced some time this week.
  • TxMoose
    TxMoose Posts: 4,319 Chairperson of the Boards
    I have to say, xfw was one of my more recent champs and I'd love a buff to him to bring him into the meta-group.
  • OzarkBoatswain
    OzarkBoatswain Posts: 693 Critical Contributor
    I think he's OK as-is. Surgical Strike is still amazing. If he could be covered to 5/5/5 he'd be great. His biggest fault is that you can't use him with OML.
  • MarcusGraves
    MarcusGraves Posts: 495 Mover and Shaker
    TxMoose wrote:
    I have to say, xfw was one of my more recent champs and I'd love a buff to him to bring him into the meta-group.

    I really just want his green to be little better so he's not just a SS mule.
  • TxMoose
    TxMoose Posts: 4,319 Chairperson of the Boards
    MarcusGraves wrote:
    TxMoose wrote:
    I have to say, xfw was one of my more recent champs and I'd love a buff to him to bring him into the meta-group.

    I really just want his green to be little better so he's not just a SS mule.
    yes. kinda sad that I choose a 3*s 8-green ap ability over his nearly every day in ddq.
  • kirk justice
    kirk justice Posts: 60 Match Maker
    I'm hoping that if there is going to be a buff that they'll tell us by the end of the week.
  • Karass
    Karass Posts: 64 Match Maker
    now that XfW is back on the DDQ rotation, and since there's no tweek to it yet, is hope lost on that rumor or could that still be something in an upcoming patch?
  • Quebbster
    Quebbster Posts: 8,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Karass wrote:
    now that XfW is back on the DDQ rotation, and since there's no tweek to it yet, is hope lost on that rumor or could that still be something in an upcoming patch?
    I don't Think there's a patch this week, but I suppose it's not out of the question. Apparently the staff has been away most of the weekend, so I hope we can hear from them soon.
  • LuciferianX
    LuciferianX Posts: 163 Tile Toppler
    edited June 2016
    I mentioned this elsewhere, but I'll repeat it in the proper thread.

    Lucifer's recommended fixes for XFW:

    * HP Increase to current 4 Star Regeneration. Or said plainly: raised to Deadpool/X-23 levels. Seriously. He has HP equivalent to self-regenerating characters, which is fine for Patch, Daken, and even OML. But Deadpool and Reed Richards, who both have True Heal, have more HP than Wolverine. X-23 (who is hands down the fastest healer in the game), has 14k. Deadpool levels. Needs it. He has to hide behind other people and his regen is inconsistent. Speaking of which.

    * X-Force should allow the player to pick the target point. It's too random. I likely won't get this wish, but considering that it's under powered damage wise (compared to X-23, particularly), getting to select the center of the impact would be great.

    * Regeneration. 5 Ranks in Regeneration should reduce the CDT to 2 turns. Not 1, that's a little insane (nothing heals that fast), but reducing it to 2 would still give people a chance to react and round out the ability so it's more reliable. This is Wolverine. Regeneration from the brink is kind of his thing. Second, the tile should have Deadpool rules associated with it: if destroyed, this tile will create the bomb/cascade damage effect. As it is, it's too easy to remove without risk. There are powers that do that (Rogers Shields, Yelena's thing, etc.), but being hit by Daisy, another XFW, etc., should all result in the tile read as destroyed and the effect counted.

    * Surgical Strike needs to reduce the target's pool by the number of tiles destroyed. Yes, this will likely result in the old-school "empty the battery" from XFW 2.0, however, despite dealing very good damage (assuming 10 tiles on the board, 11 AP - 7810 damage is solid, but not spectacular) it doesn't have the 'oomph' of other top tier attack abilities. These include HB's infinite red, TGTs infinite stacking charge tiles, etc. Compare this to the 13 point (again, red) Out of Bullets and there's no comparison. It is a Black ability, but the feedback is that the tiles are removed for everyone. If you need that color, hope you have it before he throws it.

    All of these combined will still not make Logan a dream machine, the best of the best, unstoppable or unbeatable. Note that it's still a Gen 2 style build, where he doesn't have any self-chaining abilities or internal synergy, but not all characters need that. What he has, and what he should retain, are those things in this fix that make him "Wolverine."

    Enough durability to take a hit; A targeted strike where it hurts; Regen to keep fighting well past the point of exhaustion; a crippling strike that mangles his opponent. If this is the X-Force edition, then let him be tactical.

    --

    LUX 29 Jun @ 8:33a; edited to add that the Regen tile should pop if destroyed, not if matched.
  • J K Blues
    J K Blues Posts: 7
    I really wish they make this character usable and balanced.

    this is just a pale imitation of a wolverine and devs should feel bad about making this character this bad.
  • cardiosharc
    cardiosharc Posts: 3 Just Dropped In
    I had a 3/3/3 X-Force before Seasons even started. I'm on Day 787. I just pulled my 5th XF black TODAY. I did a quick count, and in that time, I've pulled 350 4* covers at a bare minimum, and probably over 400 with all the extra Elektras, Star-Lords, and IW yellows I had to sell. So it took me 2.5 calendar years, 750+ days of play, and ~400 4* tokens aquired, but finally, FINALLY, I have optimally covered the first 4* I ever drew. (My Invisible Woman is still 5/4/3... )
  • Crowl
    Crowl Posts: 1,580 Chairperson of the Boards
    My fixes for XFW would be to up the dmg on his green and make his yellow a passive as somebody mentions above.
  • RBwilliams07
    RBwilliams07 Posts: 31 Just Dropped In
    Alright enough kidding around. You are currently in the process of buffing some characters so time to up X-forces health, increase the damage of his Green ability a bit and make yellow a passive. K, thanks!
  • Quebbster
    Quebbster Posts: 8,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    RBwilliams07 wrote:
    Alright enough kidding around. You are currently in the process of buffing some characters so time to up X-forces health, increase the damage of his Green ability a bit and make yellow a passive. K, thanks!
    You want XFW to have OML-level healing and increased offense? I don't think that is going to happen, sadly...
  • Crowl
    Crowl Posts: 1,580 Chairperson of the Boards
    Quebbster wrote:
    RBwilliams07 wrote:
    Alright enough kidding around. You are currently in the process of buffing some characters so time to up X-forces health, increase the damage of his Green ability a bit and make yellow a passive. K, thanks!
    You want XFW to have OML-level healing and increased offense? I don't think that is going to happen, sadly...

    They could always have him passively generate the recovery countdown tile, improved healing but not too excessive.
  • eaise
    eaise Posts: 217 Tile Toppler
    It would be awesome for XFW to be a relevant 4* again. Hopefully he'll get the buff he deserves soon

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