So, Etiquette. Your Thoughts?

JamieMadrox

I should add that I don't hit people while they're hopping if I can help it. If I have them on Line and they're not a part of my alliance/friends then I'll check with them personally. If I don't have them on line and I recognize their name, I'll try to tack them down. That said, not everyone does that and some people specifically play to snipe high points players with no intention of climbing for progression.

Malcrof

downsouthman1 wrote:

simonsez wrote:

downsouthman1 wrote:

How do you know they're hopping? That's the part I don't get.

If you queue a target value that lets you deduce they're over 1000 points, they must be hopping because they wouldn't be able to hang onto those points otherwise.

Basically you mean check the leaderboard & see who's on top? And if I was able to queue one of them at all, they must be hopping? Otherwise I would not have seen them at all right? And then what do I do, wait like 30 or 60 minutes to hit them, knowing they'll be shielded by then? I'm merely trying to understand these "rules" so I don't get targetted.

If that person is the only target worth enough points to get you to where you need to be.. hit them.

my current slice of Psylocke PVP has 0 people at 1k+ and just about everyone shielded around 800... i am 33rd with a sad 535 points.. if i see a worthwhile target, i am going to hit it. Sorry. i need R&G covers, and also would love a score decent enough to merc with..

and still have never hit 1k, and want that HB cover... which looks unlikely.

Unknown

Malcrof wrote:

downsouthman1 wrote:

simonsez wrote:

downsouthman1 wrote:

How do you know they're hopping? That's the part I don't get.

If you queue a target value that lets you deduce they're over 1000 points, they must be hopping because they wouldn't be able to hang onto those points otherwise.

Basically you mean check the leaderboard & see who's on top? And if I was able to queue one of them at all, they must be hopping? Otherwise I would not have seen them at all right? And then what do I do, wait like 30 or 60 minutes to hit them, knowing they'll be shielded by then? I'm merely trying to understand these "rules" so I don't get targetted.

If that person is the only target worth enough points to get you to where you need to be.. hit them.

my current slice of Psylocke PVP has 0 people at 1k+ and just about everyone shielded around 800... i am 33rd with a sad 535 points.. if i see a worthwhile target, i am going to hit it. Sorry. i need R&G covers, and also would love a score decent enough to merc with..

and still have never hit 1k, and want that HB cover... which looks unlikely.

That's what I've been doing.

JamieMadrox

downsouthman1 wrote:

Malcrof wrote:

If that person is the only target worth enough points to get you to where you need to be.. hit them.

my current slice of Psylocke PVP has 0 people at 1k+ and just about everyone shielded around 800... i am 33rd with a sad 535 points.. if i see a worthwhile target, i am going to hit it. Sorry. i need R&G covers, and also would love a score decent enough to merc with..

and still have never hit 1k, and want that HB cover... which looks unlikely.

That's what I've been doing.

I'm not saying don't hit people that are worth points, but I am saying that you should either check with them to see if they're shielded (assuming you use Line) or give them the 10 min they may need to finish their hop.

simonsez

downsouthman1 wrote:

Basically you mean check the leaderboard & see who's on top? And if I was able to queue one of them at all, they must be hopping?

No, if you can see them on the leaderboard, that takes all the mystery out of it; you can see if they're shielded or not. What i mean is, if you're at 750, and you queue a target worth 58 points, he must be hopping, because he has a high score. So just wait 5-10 minutes before hitting him.

GrumpySmurf1002

downsouthman1 wrote:

simonsez wrote:

downsouthman1 wrote:

How do you know they're hopping? That's the part I don't get.

If you queue a target value that lets you deduce they're over 1000 points, they must be hopping because they wouldn't be able to hang onto those points otherwise.

Basically you mean check the leaderboard & see who's on top? And if I was able to queue one of them at all, they must be hopping? Otherwise I would not have seen them at all right? And then what do I do, wait like 30 or 60 minutes to hit them, knowing they'll be shielded by then? I'm merely trying to understand these "rules" so I don't get targetted.

Here's a handy guide:

If you have 500 points, anyone worth 63+ points is likely hopping and/or climbing, anyone above 66 definitely is (it's really 68/71, but because of queue lag they'll likely appear to be worth a few points less)

If you have 600 points, anyone worth 59+ points is likely hopping and/or climbing, anyone above 63+ definitely is.

If you have 700 points, it's 52+ and 59+

There's some chance in all cases that the player in question is shielded (because of server lag/stale queues) but waiting 20-30 minutes is usually safest, if you can afford to wait.

Malcrof

Jamie Madrox wrote:

downsouthman1 wrote:

Malcrof wrote:

If that person is the only target worth enough points to get you to where you need to be.. hit them.

my current slice of Psylocke PVP has 0 people at 1k+ and just about everyone shielded around 800... i am 33rd with a sad 535 points.. if i see a worthwhile target, i am going to hit it. Sorry. i need R&G covers, and also would love a score decent enough to merc with..

and still have never hit 1k, and want that HB cover... which looks unlikely.

That's what I've been doing.

I'm not saying don't hit people that are worth points, but I am saying that you should either check with them to see if they're shielded (assuming you use Line) or give them the 10 min they may need to finish their hop.

Tried that once, broke my shield to hop, found a target worth 40 points, not in the top 10 not shielded, hit him, next target, saw they were at 970 and unshielded, hit the forum real kwik to see if they were on..

in the 2 minutes i took to check if they were on, i was hit 4 times, making for a huge net loss and waste of a shield as i was now lower than when i shielded. Waiting 10 minutes to start a fight when your shield is out, not going to happen.

JamieMadrox

Malcrof wrote:

Jamie Madrox wrote:

downsouthman1 wrote:

Malcrof wrote:

If that person is the only target worth enough points to get you to where you need to be.. hit them.

my current slice of Psylocke PVP has 0 people at 1k+ and just about everyone shielded around 800... i am 33rd with a sad 535 points.. if i see a worthwhile target, i am going to hit it. Sorry. i need R&G covers, and also would love a score decent enough to merc with..

and still have never hit 1k, and want that HB cover... which looks unlikely.

That's what I've been doing.

I'm not saying don't hit people that are worth points, but I am saying that you should either check with them to see if they're shielded (assuming you use Line) or give them the 10 min they may need to finish their hop.

Tried that once, broke my shield to hop, found a target worth 40 points, not in the top 10 not shielded, hit him, next target, saw they were at 970 and unshielded, hit the forum real kwik to see if they were on..

in the 2 minutes i took to check if they were on, i was hit 4 times, making for a huge net loss and waste of a shield as i was now lower than when i shielded. Waiting 10 minutes to start a fight when your shield is out, not going to happen.

That's why you Q targets and check shield status BEFORE you break your shield to hop. You don't need to be unshielded to find targets worth hitting and there are 3 nodes on the PVP screen that you can fill with targets.

GrumpySmurf1002

Malcrof wrote:

Tried that once, broke my shield to hop, found a target worth 40 points, not in the top 10 not shielded, hit him, next target, saw they were at 970 and unshielded, hit the forum real kwik to see if they were on..

in the 2 minutes i took to check if they were on, i was hit 4 times, making for a huge net loss and waste of a shield as i was now lower than when i shielded. Waiting 10 minutes to start a fight when your shield is out, not going to happen.

Two things:

#1 Never break shield without your targets already lined up. That gives you ample time to check shield status, and obviously saves you time while you're exposed, which leads in to #2:

#2 Never stop what you're doing when you're hopping. These days anything above 3 matches is asking for trouble, and even the 3rd is rough unless the first two are lightning fast. If you've done your homework, you do the matches in the 2/3 nodes you have queued, and then duck for cover again.

Yes, sometimes you check status and someone breaks at the same time you do, or breaks shortly after you start your match. Poop happens in that case. If someone is hit-listing you for one unavoidable mistake, they're tinykitty babies.

Malcrof

Jamie Madrox wrote:

That's why you Q targets and check shield status BEFORE you break your shield to hop. You don't need to be unshielded to find targets worth hitting and there are 3 nodes on the PVP screen that you can fill with targets.

Am i correct that if someone is shielded , then you cannot see them in the queue? If that is the case, then everyone i queue up will most likely be hopping etc.. no win situation.

If they are climbing or hopping, when i queue them , and they are worth 38 points , but when i finish the fight, i get 61 (like last night), then i risk getting my but kicked by 15 people even though i was no longer worth the hassle, which is pretty much what happened to me...

i am at the point of not even looking anymore, i will hit whoever is worth hitting, i honestly do not care who they are or what they are doing, my personal progression is what i am after. I am in a casual alliance, it is the only way i can get anything anymore is by doing exactly that..

It's not a matter of etiquette, it is simply a matter of being an outsider and playing the game for myself and no-one else.

yah, i sound like an ****, but this is a game, not a job, i am not going to put that much effort into it..

acescracked

Not wanting to have a long quote...

If you are at 500 and have a good target queued but nothing else available still wait 10 mins or so. I wouldn't imagine you are getting hit at 500 plus it helps both you and the targdt to wait 10 mins. They should be worth more points if you let them finish and they don't get hit while hopping.

GrumpySmurf1002

Malcrof wrote:

Am i correct that if someone is shielded , then you cannot see them in the queue?

No, not entirely correct. As you cycle through your queue now, it will load a set of opponents, not just the one you see. So if you come back a couple hours later, it's possible to cycle through now shielded opponents until the server refresh grabs the next set.

Malcrof

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

Malcrof wrote:

Am i correct that if someone is shielded , then you cannot see them in the queue?

No, not entirely correct. As you cycle through your queue now, it will load a set of opponents, not just the one you see. So if you come back a couple hours later, it's possible to cycle through now shielded opponents until the server refresh grabs the next set.

Right now, i have 5 target options, spent 500 iso so far looking for other targets, and every other time i see them they are worth more points.. so that means they are climbing right? So , if i queue them up now... when should i beat them?

Just the same 5 people on every node, no matter how many times i skip.

acescracked

Malcrof wrote:

Jamie Madrox wrote:

That's why you Q targets and check shield status BEFORE you break your shield to hop. You don't need to be unshielded to find targets worth hitting and there are 3 nodes on the PVP screen that you can fill with targets.

Am i correct that if someone is shielded , then you cannot see them in the queue? If that is the case, then everyone i queue up will most likely be hopping etc.. no win situation.

If they are climbing or hopping, when i queue them , and they are worth 38 points , but when i finish the fight, i get 61 (like last night), then i risk getting my but kicked by 15 people even though i was no longer worth the hassle, which is pretty much what happened to me...

i am at the point of not even looking anymore, i will hit whoever is worth hitting, i honestly do not care who they are or what they are doing, my personal progression is what i am after. I am in a casual alliance, it is the only way i can get anything anymore is by doing exactly that..

It's not a matter of etiquette, it is simply a matter of being an outsider and playing the game for myself and no-one else.

yah, i sound like an ****, but this is a game, not a job, i am not going to put that much effort into it..

Nah you don't sound like an ****. You sound like someone new who hasn't figured it out yet. It's really not that hard to queue good targets before you hop and not hit those people when they are out even as an "outsider".

Malcrof

acescracked wrote:

Malcrof wrote:

Jamie Madrox wrote:

That's why you Q targets and check shield status BEFORE you break your shield to hop. You don't need to be unshielded to find targets worth hitting and there are 3 nodes on the PVP screen that you can fill with targets.

Am i correct that if someone is shielded , then you cannot see them in the queue? If that is the case, then everyone i queue up will most likely be hopping etc.. no win situation.

If they are climbing or hopping, when i queue them , and they are worth 38 points , but when i finish the fight, i get 61 (like last night), then i risk getting my but kicked by 15 people even though i was no longer worth the hassle, which is pretty much what happened to me...

i am at the point of not even looking anymore, i will hit whoever is worth hitting, i honestly do not care who they are or what they are doing, my personal progression is what i am after. I am in a casual alliance, it is the only way i can get anything anymore is by doing exactly that..

It's not a matter of etiquette, it is simply a matter of being an outsider and playing the game for myself and no-one else.

yah, i sound like an ****, but this is a game, not a job, i am not going to put that much effort into it..

Nah you don't sound like an ****. You sound like someone new who hasn't figured it out yet. It's really not that hard to queue good targets before you hop and not hit those people when they are out even as an "outsider".

Getting responses faster then i can read them.. can someone just make a simple Q&A on how to properly hop and not end up being targeted by 1/2 the world. I really would like to enjoy PVP, PVE is getting stale, and i have been hardcore PVE for 200+ days... i want to join in the 1k+ club and have some fun, somewhere other than the shield sim, but so tired of getting close and never making it..

Every single time i try to shield hop after i hit 900, which is 3 times now, i have my targets lined up before i fight, i make sure they are either shielded so i don't have to worry about retals.. or worth very high points, hoping they hit their mark and are just allowing themselves to be targeted.

3 times i have failed, each time i unshield, i am hit for more than i win, and after the 2nd fight, it becomes a slaughter, my highest pvp score finish was 825, when i gave up and shielded until the end of the event because i needed the reward cover.

my 825 finish, i hit 989 and shielded, never hit 1k, finished at 825, did try 3 times to get that last win though... yah, almost rage quit.

GrumpySmurf1002

Malcrof wrote:

Right now, i have 5 target options, spent 500 iso so far looking for other targets, and every other time i see them they are worth more points.. so that means they are climbing right? So , if i queue them up now... when should i beat them?

Just the same 5 people on every node, no matter how many times i skip.

If you see them and their point value jumps, it means the server refresh kicked in. Doesn't mean they're climbing necessarily. The matchmaking algorithm recalculated, it just determined they were still an appropriate match.

That's usually more noticeable when someone switches teams, but that's what it is. Also if you've spent 500 and can't find a target, put it down and come back later.

simonsez

Malcrof wrote:

Getting responses faster then i can read them.. can someone just make a simple Q&A on how to properly hop and not end up being targeted by 1/2 the world.

I think your biggest mistake has already been fixed by the suggestions you've gotten. Line up your queue at the end of your last hop, not at the start of the one you're about to make; and then get in and get out as fast as you can. Don't stay out more than 10 minutes.

Unknown

Malcrof wrote:

If they are climbing or hopping, when i queue them , and they are worth 38 points , but when i finish the fight, i get 61 (like last night), then i risk getting my but kicked by 15 people even though i was no longer worth the hassle, which is pretty much what happened to me...

I am not sure what you are saying here, you can search for your target while shielded (at this point you should still be invisible to other players assuming you've been shielded for a while now), find some good targets for points, then once you fill up all 3 nodes with good points, they want you to wait a little before you remove shield and attack so that those people you just found have finished their hop and have shielded, when you win your match against them, you should get more points since they also should have increased in points (assuming they didn't get attacked), at the same time you aren't taking points away from them.

Personally, I agree with you on hitting whoever without regards to who it is or what they are doing. I don't feel like this should be an extra task for you to do to play a game, just to be nice. And really..... the whole point of PvP is to attack each other, it's called Player vs. Player for a reason, not CareBearClub trying to reach progression rewards. If someone can't handle the attacks in PvP, then they shouldn't be playing PvP, this is true for any game, especially MMO's.

The concept of PvP which makes it fun is to have a winner, and a loser. Doing what people are suggesting just makes everyone winners by working together, and that might as well be PvE.

Unknown

Malcrof wrote:

Jamie Madrox wrote:

downsouthman1 wrote:

Malcrof wrote:

If that person is the only target worth enough points to get you to where you need to be.. hit them.

my current slice of Psylocke PVP has 0 people at 1k+ and just about everyone shielded around 800... i am 33rd with a sad 535 points.. if i see a worthwhile target, i am going to hit it. Sorry. i need R&G covers, and also would love a score decent enough to merc with..

and still have never hit 1k, and want that HB cover... which looks unlikely.

That's what I've been doing.

I'm not saying don't hit people that are worth points, but I am saying that you should either check with them to see if they're shielded (assuming you use Line) or give them the 10 min they may need to finish their hop.

Tried that once, broke my shield to hop, found a target worth 40 points, not in the top 10 not shielded, hit him, next target, saw they were at 970 and unshielded, hit the forum real kwik to see if they were on..

in the 2 minutes i took to check if they were on, i was hit 4 times, making for a huge net loss and waste of a shield as i was now lower than when i shielded. Waiting 10 minutes to start a fight when your shield is out, not going to happen.

This is exactly my problem. I'm trying to hurry up & hop myself so that I don't suffer catastrophic loss. It's hard to see where I have time to figure out how to try to play nice.

Unknown

Malcrof wrote:

acescracked wrote:

Malcrof wrote:

Jamie Madrox wrote:

That's why you Q targets and check shield status BEFORE you break your shield to hop. You don't need to be unshielded to find targets worth hitting and there are 3 nodes on the PVP screen that you can fill with targets.

Am i correct that if someone is shielded , then you cannot see them in the queue? If that is the case, then everyone i queue up will most likely be hopping etc.. no win situation.

If they are climbing or hopping, when i queue them , and they are worth 38 points , but when i finish the fight, i get 61 (like last night), then i risk getting my but kicked by 15 people even though i was no longer worth the hassle, which is pretty much what happened to me...

i am at the point of not even looking anymore, i will hit whoever is worth hitting, i honestly do not care who they are or what they are doing, my personal progression is what i am after. I am in a casual alliance, it is the only way i can get anything anymore is by doing exactly that..

It's not a matter of etiquette, it is simply a matter of being an outsider and playing the game for myself and no-one else.

yah, i sound like an ****, but this is a game, not a job, i am not going to put that much effort into it..

Nah you don't sound like an ****. You sound like someone new who hasn't figured it out yet. It's really not that hard to queue good targets before you hop and not hit those people when they are out even as an "outsider".

Getting responses faster then i can read them.. can someone just make a simple Q&A on how to properly hop and not end up being targeted by 1/2 the world. I really would like to enjoy PVP, PVE is getting stale, and i have been hardcore PVE for 200+ days... i want to join in the 1k+ club and have some fun, somewhere other than the shield sim, but so tired of getting close and never making it..

Every single time i try to shield hop after i hit 900, which is 3 times now, i have my targets lined up before i fight, i make sure they are either shielded so i don't have to worry about retals.. or worth very high points, hoping they hit their mark and are just allowing themselves to be targeted.

3 times i have failed, each time i unshield, i am hit for more than i win, and after the 2nd fight, it becomes a slaughter, my highest pvp score finish was 825, when i gave up and shielded until the end of the event because i needed the reward cover.

my 825 finish, i hit 989 and shielded, never hit 1k, finished at 825, did try 3 times to get that last win though... yah, almost rage quit.

This is exactly what repeatedly happens to me. When I unshield & hit preselected targets, I still wound up losing more points to me being hit while I'm trying to hop. This causes me to have to immediately reshield & still be at less points then I was before the hop. Probably bad timing on my part but that's just the way it goes sometimes.