*** Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel) ***

Phaserhawk

Khan's yellow is OBW's blue, just with an alternating cost.

CrookedKnight

Oh_Him_again wrote:

So how will Bring Out The Best work with passive powers? Will it fire when a passive power fires, say Falcon's Inspiration? Can you get into an infinite loop with Professor X's Psychic Convergence, where each power fires the other? I guess not, just wondering how it works.

Professor X's yellow passive doesn't work with other passives, so presumably this won't either.

Unknown

Katai wrote:

Agreed. She's really competing with Invisible Woman for worse artwork.

Invisible Woman artwork is awful; Kamala's is criminal. Google Kamala Khan images if you're not familiar with comics.

Phaserhawk

CrookedKnight wrote:

Oh_Him_again wrote:

So how will Bring Out The Best work with passive powers? Will it fire when a passive power fires, say Falcon's Inspiration? Can you get into an infinite loop with Professor X's Psychic Convergence, where each power fires the other? I guess not, just wondering how it works.

Professor X's yellow passive doesn't work with other passives, so presumably this won't either.

correct, only actives in this case trigger the passive

Trisul

Not sure why Kamala and Carol in-game art is so weird-looking. Are the artists for those the same? Who's the guy who did the Moonstone art?

That said, they picked a great cover image, and she's a great character. If you haven't read her series, I seriously recommend it.

rednailz

Arith wrote:

With all the strong, well known and vibrant female characters in the Marvel Universe I just have one thing to say on choosing a 2nd rate Ms Marvel to finish this supposed women month:

Booooo!

It's about promoting the new school. The last 3 charecter releases were good for both new school and old school fans. Due for a new charecter promotion crossover now.

Loftus

Just posting thoughts on Kamala Khan for what it's worth:

I don't like her as a choice for a new character. We have two captain marvels already, and one that's already 3 I'm all for characters with smaller fanbases, although it's quite obvious that certain characters are being held back for film releases and others are being released solely to target certain demographics, which is disappointing. When there are so, so, so many other characters that aren't featured at all, having a third version added at the same star level as one that already exists isn't something i can really get behind.

The above said, i got a cover for her in a pack today and i can see what everyone is talking about. The artwork is absolutely awful. She stands out like a sore thumb when compared to the quality of artwork for most characters. I'm expecting a change before too long.

From first glance, her abilities look really powerful... I'm just not sure if i can face using her in battle with her artwork being as bad as it is.

dkffiv

I haven't read through the 10 pages of comments but is she the same "character" as Ms. Marvel? Can you have her and Carol on the team at the same time? For all the other characters its fairly obvious they're the same character in different costumes but she's a completely different person.

Unknown

Loftus wrote:

Just posting thoughts on Kamala Khan for what it's worth:

I don't like her as a choice for a new character. We have two captain marvels already, and one that's already 3

Quit ignoring Moonstone or you'll make d3p cry

Loftus

Sigh, i knew i was going to get downvoted by Kamala fans but wanted to give my opinion regardless. Also raisin for what it's worth i never said she was unpopular, not quite sure where you got that from

gamar wrote:

Loftus wrote:

Just posting thoughts on Kamala Khan for what it's worth:

I don't like her as a choice for a new character. We have two captain marvels already, and one that's already 3

Quit ignoring Moonstone or you'll make d3p cry

Yeah but moonstone is so useless she might as well not even exist anyway

Although if we are including moonstone then it would make kamala khan the 5th captain marvel variant which really is getting ridiculous

Unknown

dkffiv wrote:

I haven't read through the 10 pages of comments but is she the same "character" as Ms. Marvel? Can you have her and Carol on the team at the same time? For all the other characters its fairly obvious they're the same character in different costumes but she's a completely different person.

She (like Moonstone) is a different character

GuntherBlobel

Loftus wrote:

Sigh, i knew i was going to get downvoted by Kamala fans but wanted to give my opinion regardless. Also raisin for what it's worth i never said she was unpopular, not quite sure where you got that from

gamar wrote:

Loftus wrote:

Just posting thoughts on Kamala Khan for what it's worth:

I don't like her as a choice for a new character. We have two captain marvels already, and one that's already 3

Quit ignoring Moonstone or you'll make d3p cry

Yeah but moonstone is so useless she might as well not even exist anyway

Although if we are including moonstone then it would make kamala khan the 5th captain marvel variant which really is getting ridiculous

I blame Marvel, not MPQ. They had this really interesting idea for a new and different character, but then slapped the Ms. Marvel title on it to jump start sales. There are so many female variants with the same title on MPQ, because that's what Marvel does.

That said, I don't even understand why people care. KK is nothing like Carol Danvers or Moonstone in terms of look, origin, story, character, or powers. If anything, Captain Marvel is used more as a foil to KK than as a model, you know, being a perfect blonde with big boots and all. If you are a KK fan, you get that. If you're not a fan, well then the abilities are great! What's to complain about?

And while I don't think the in-game art is as good as Alphona's, she isn't supposed to be the South Asian Moonstone. I mean, can we just stop with those comparisons until Emma Frost shows up?

Unknown

GuntherBlobel wrote:

Loftus wrote:

Sigh, i knew i was going to get downvoted by Kamala fans but wanted to give my opinion regardless. Also raisin for what it's worth i never said she was unpopular, not quite sure where you got that from

gamar wrote:

Loftus wrote:

Just posting thoughts on Kamala Khan for what it's worth:

I don't like her as a choice for a new character. We have two captain marvels already, and one that's already 3

Quit ignoring Moonstone or you'll make d3p cry

Yeah but moonstone is so useless she might as well not even exist anyway

Although if we are including moonstone then it would make kamala khan the 5th captain marvel variant which really is getting ridiculous

I blame Marvel, not MPQ. They had this really interesting idea for a new and different character, but then slapped the Ms. Marvel title on it to jump start sales. There are so many female variants with the same title on MPQ, because that's what Marvel does.

That said, I don't even understand why people care. KK is nothing like Carol Danvers or Moonstone in terms of look, origin, story, character, or powers. If anything, Captain Marvel is used more as a foil to KK than as a model, you know, being a perfect blonde with big boots and all. If you are a KK fan, you get that. If you're not a fan, well then the abilities are great! What's to complain about?

And while I don't think the in-game art is as good as Alphona's, she isn't supposed to be the South Asian Moonstone. I mean, can we just stop with those comparisons until Emma Frost shows up?

People always complain about female characters(I remember someone was saying Mystique is ugly, who cares she's a shapeshifter), and with male characters we get people saying they want to rub oil on Xavier's bald head.

If you want to look at a pretty picture, and you can play MPQ, you can prob go to google

Loftus

It's not a 'i only want hot female characters' thing, it's a 'the artwork for the vast majority of characters is good, while this one is bad' thing.

I don't care if a female character is supposed to be attractive or not, but kamala khan is supposed to be a teenager no? she looks like she's in her mid 40s in her in-game artwork.

Gunther i can see where you're coming from with marvel adding the captain marvel tag to her. Having a look at the roster for MPQ a bit more i've just realised how many alternate versions of characters there are in the game. four thors, three wolverines, now five captain marvels...

It's odd, because the artwork would have to be completely re-done and so it wouldn't be any quicker or easier to do this alternate character versions than it would introduce a brand new character.

It does seem to be some kind of irony that i had very little interest in squirrel girl and was bombarded with her covers and now i feel the same about kamala khan and the first token i get i end up with her cover

Quebbster

So who thinks the next Simulator/Gauntlet (probably Simulator) will have a Kamala/Karla/Carol node?

Unknown

raisinbman wrote:

People always complain about female characters(I remember someone was saying Mystique is ugly, who cares she's a shapeshifter), and with male characters we get people saying they want to rub oil on Xavier's bald head.

If you want to look at a pretty picture, and you can play MPQ, you can prob go to google

Loftus wrote:

It's not a 'i only want hot female characters' thing, it's a 'the artwork for the vast majority of characters is good, while this one is bad' thing.

This is really the point here about characters' in-game art. It isn't so much a matter of wanting to look at pretty pictures, it's a matter of wanting the in-game appearances of characters to be a good representation of their comic book looks. Granted comic characters are drawn by many different artists over the years and some go through wildly different looks, but some of the art for the characters in this game is just bad. It isn't aesthetically pleasing, and it isn't a good representation of the character, and the worst offenders happen to be female to the point where it isn't a coincidence. It seems to be a case of the artist just not being that great at drawing female characters, particularly faces.

I had no idea who Kamala Khan was until people started talking about her on this forum, so I looked her up. Her in-game model does not look in any way like any of the art I saw online. Hell, I saw middle-aged cosplayers who looked more like Kamala than what they went with here. It's not about her relative hotness, it's about it just not being good art that doesn't do the character justice.

GuntherBlobel

Thugpatrol wrote:

This is really the point here about characters' in-game art. It isn't so much a matter of wanting to look at pretty pictures, it's a matter of wanting the in-game appearances of characters to be a good representation of their comic book looks.

Loftus wrote:

It's not a 'i only want hot female characters' thing, it's a 'the artwork for the vast majority of characters is good, while this one is bad' thing.

I don't care if a female character is supposed to be attractive or not, but kamala khan is supposed to be a teenager no? she looks like she's in her mid 40s in her in-game artwork.

That's totally fair! To be honest, by the time I got to my art rant, I wasn't referring to your quote anymore. Sorry about that!

At the same time, I agree with raisinbman that it seems like female characters always get these vague "she seems off" comments (from other people), which invite me to read between the lines. I totally agree that the Roster image doesn't capture Kamala Khan's youthful character, but I think the rest of the MPQ art does:

Here's what I think some people want the Kamala art to look like:

Again, I blame Marvel; this time for trying to have their cake and eat it too. They've very consistently written Khama to be a sometimes goofy and akward teen. But if it will sell a few extra copies, they'll totally draw her as an exotic college-aged girl for the cover (at least for issue #1).

Unknown

Loftus wrote:

It's not a 'i only want hot female characters' thing, it's a 'the artwork for the vast majority of characters is good, while this one is bad' thing.

I don't care if a female character is supposed to be attractive or not, but kamala khan is supposed to be a teenager no? she looks like she's in her mid 40s in her in-game artwork.

Gunther i can see where you're coming from with marvel adding the captain marvel tag to her. Having a look at the roster for MPQ a bit more i've just realised how many alternate versions of characters there are in the game. four thors, three wolverines, now five captain marvels...

It's odd, because the artwork would have to be completely re-done and so it wouldn't be any quicker or easier to do this alternate character versions than it would introduce a brand new character.

It does seem to be some kind of irony that i had very little interest in squirrel girl and was bombarded with her covers and now i feel the same about kamala khan and the first token i get i end up with her cover

How do you feel about New Wolverine's wang then?

I mean seriously the only time I've heard complaints about a non-female character was that my old guildie didn't like how they changed Devil's art.

Thugpatrol wrote:

raisinbman wrote:

People always complain about female characters(I remember someone was saying Mystique is ugly, who cares she's a shapeshifter), and with male characters we get people saying they want to rub oil on Xavier's bald head.

If you want to look at a pretty picture, and you can play MPQ, you can prob go to google

Loftus wrote:

It's not a 'i only want hot female characters' thing, it's a 'the artwork for the vast majority of characters is good, while this one is bad' thing.

This is really the point here about characters' in-game art. It isn't so much a matter of wanting to look at pretty pictures, it's a matter of wanting the in-game appearances of characters to be a good representation of their comic book looks. Granted comic characters are drawn by many different artists over the years and some go through wildly different looks, but some of the art for the characters in this game is just bad. It isn't aesthetically pleasing, and it isn't a good representation of the character, and the worst offenders happen to be female to the point where it isn't a coincidence. It seems to be a case of the artist just not being that great at drawing female characters, particularly faces.

I had no idea who Kamala Khan was until people started talking about her on this forum, so I looked her up. Her in-game model does not look in any way like any of the art I saw online. Hell, I saw middle-aged cosplayers who looked more like Kamala than what they went with here. It's not about her relative hotness, it's about it just not being good art that doesn't do the character justice.

Okay who has good art then cuz I could care less as long as they get me . As a gamer graphics don't matter, results do

And looking at D3's most recent "rework" of Ragnarok*throws up* I think there's more important things to be worried about.

If this was a Capcom game where characters actually had real animations instead of sound clips on art, yeah.

GuntherBlobel wrote:

Thugpatrol wrote:

This is really the point here about characters' in-game art. It isn't so much a matter of wanting to look at pretty pictures, it's a matter of wanting the in-game appearances of characters to be a good representation of their comic book looks.

Loftus wrote:

It's not a 'i only want hot female characters' thing, it's a 'the artwork for the vast majority of characters is good, while this one is bad' thing.

I don't care if a female character is supposed to be attractive or not, but kamala khan is supposed to be a teenager no? she looks like she's in her mid 40s in her in-game artwork.

That's totally fair! To be honest, by the time I got to my art rant, I wasn't referring to your quote anymore. Sorry about that!

At the same time, I agree with raisinbman that it seems like female characters always get these vague "she seems off" comments (from other people), which invite me to read between the lines. I totally agree that the Roster image doesn't capture Kamala Khan's youthful character, but I think the rest of the MPQ art does:

Here's what I think some people want the Kamala art to look like:

Again, I blame Marvel; this time for trying to have their cake and eat it too. They've very consistently written Khama to be a sometimes goofy and akward teen. But if it will sell a few extra copies, they'll totally draw her as an exotic college-aged girl for the cover (at least for issue #1).

I'm not sure we could get anything near what that last image is in game, but I see your point. My opinion is very much as an outsider looking in, so I can't really speak from how she 'should' look, etc.

simonsez

Can you be a little bit more selective about what you quote please?

Mawtful

The roster lineup artwork is kinda goofy, I didn't really like it until someone said it made her look like she belonged on Bob's Burgers - now I can't unsee that and get a chuckle every time. I also agree that the rest of her in-game art is otherwise pretty good. Definitely better than Captain Marvel with the scrunched up face like she's been eating lemons.

The selected cover is fine. I do prefer the #1 cover, but I can see how people could mistake that for early-20's young adult instead of goofy teenager.