Thick as Thieves

Nemek

Psykopathic wrote:

Ok so I just came back after like a 12 hour hibernation. Damn this infection. Lol

Sitting at #1 in both brackets after a 3 hour grind. Finished every mission twice, am I losing my mind or were the last 3-4 repeatable 3 times? Set up perfectly for a 4.5 hour grind later, assuming everything happens at the same speed. I'm set to complete sub bracket missions. Then move on to main bracket missions with 5-10 minutes to spare before the sub ends and possibly a new set of missions opens up ready to fall right into cycle after the main bracket missions.

Really happy about appearances from The Hood and Magneto. I almost made a thread about hood being on the picture but not in any missions. Decided not to obviously but at least he appeared!

It's actually better to do main missions before sub-event missions.

Unknown

Psykopathic wrote:

jozier wrote:

Yes there appeared to be something weird for me, some of the missions were repeatable more than twice. But I could be misremembering since there are so many of them.

I can actually confirm I did Family Reunion VII 3 times. I got points for it every time and I'm rewards complete.

Sometimes even the reward screen itself can be wrong. I remember in The Hulk in the very first sub bracket where everyone is tied at some exact value, it kept on say I have +1 for some mission so I kept on doing that but then I realized my point never actually went up because I was still tied with everyone else after getting 1 more point every single time.

Purty_Hawkeye

The rubberbanding here is going to be a problem for me I think.

I was consistently 3-4 in the main bracket throughout all of the subs running three refreshes with the last one at the very end.
My recent experience has been if you play the same way you will pretty much hold your position.

In this I was awake when the new missions opened and I ran through them before going to bed. Only to finish finding my self down to players who I hadn't seen in the top 10 at all. Which means the point difference for someone who didn't play the subs was huge. Especially since the single Hood mission at 2000pts is more than than you could get from one sub. Because I was higher the first rotation wasn't worth max points and those who haven't been playing rocketed by into the top spots.
Rubberbanding is supposed to work to keep it close but not to allow overtaking but the point disparity is so huge here that that is what is happened.

I think I am going to find it difficult to even get one DD cover now.

The devs truly blew this one on so many levels.

Unknown

It only gave points twice for me. Both in sub and main. I missed the first rotation timing for the main since it happened just after I went to bed and before I opened the game in the morning. I have no idea where I will land in main as I am 14th with 2-3 hours until reset. I guess I will count to rubber banding to help me catch up a bit and maybe plan my next runs timed to the finish time.
Is anyone playing Army Of One? I was planning to go for the Thor covers since I have all covers of Patch and I only pushed for the 50HP progression reward. I suddenly find myself #3 with 424 points and no retaliations or attacks for 3-4 hours. I wonder how many matches I have to concede to drop low enough.

Eddiemon

Nemek wrote:

It's actually better to do main missions before sub-event missions.

I think it depends on whether you are trying to win main or sub bracket. For those without maxed patch I think sub is the way to go. And given the massive jumps forward people are making all the rubberband you spend in the sub probably won't impact your 10x multiplier on Hood.

Unless I am missing something.

Unknown

Lyrian wrote:

Just like a PvP tourney, winning matches earns tourney rating points.
When your rating increases, the MMR system attempt to match you with appropriately rated PvE opponents.
Thus, if you keep winning, your tourney rating will reach extremely high levels, which in turn will lead to extremely high level opponents.
As the system is based on PvP, the only way to lose rating points is to either lose to an encounter or retreat/yield.

Using hypothetical numbers (as the actual numbers are hidden),

If you have 0 rating points, then the base mobs are 17-20 and the highest premium encounter is level 40.
If you have 2000+ rating points, then all of the encounters are level 200+.

Not exactly, as it seems to be based on matches won, rather than points, which brutally punished people that chose to grind points early, because of the number of matches they completed.

Nemek

Eddiemon wrote:

Nemek wrote:

It's actually better to do main missions before sub-event missions.

I think it depends on whether you are trying to win main or sub bracket. For those without maxed patch I think sub is the way to go. And given the massive jumps forward people are making all the rubberband you spend in the sub probably won't impact your 10x multiplier on Hood.

Unless I am missing something.

Doing your sub-event missions reduces your rubberbanding in the main bracket missions, but doing your main bracket missions has no effect on your sub-event missions rubberband. But, you are correct that the amount of points won in the sub-event is small in comparison, so the change in rubberband you'll see would be small...but it's still technically less optimal.

Nemek

Purty Hawkeye wrote:

The rubberbanding here is going to be a problem for me I think.

I was consistently 3-4 in the main bracket throughout all of the subs running three refreshes with the last one at the very end.
My recent experience has been if you play the same way you will pretty much hold your position.

In this I was awake when the new missions opened and I ran through them before going to bed. Only to finish finding my self down to players who I hadn't seen in the top 10 at all. Which means the point difference for someone who didn't play the subs was huge. Especially since the single Hood mission at 2000pts is more than than you could get from one sub. Because I was higher the first rotation wasn't worth max points and those who haven't been playing rocketed by into the top spots.
Rubberbanding is supposed to work to keep it close but not to allow overtaking but the point disparity is so huge here that that is what is happened.

I think I am going to find it difficult to even get one DD cover now.

The devs truly blew this one on so many levels.

Yeah, I had the same sort of issue. I did the missions right away and got heavily rubberbanded afterwards.

But, I think if you still play efficiently going into the end, then you'll be fine.

Eddiemon

Nemek wrote:

Doing your sub-event missions reduces your rubberbanding in the main bracket missions, but doing your main bracket missions has no effect on your sub-event missions rubberband. But, you are correct that the amount of points won in the sub-event is small in comparison, so the change in rubberband you'll see would be small...but it's still technically less optimal.

I'll watch out for it. I thought both were based on your main bracket score so all points were created even.

Thanks.

Unknown

Post by Misguided » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:35 pm

Lyrian wrote:
Just like a PvP tourney, winning matches earns tourney rating points.
When your rating increases, the MMR system attempt to match you with appropriately rated PvE opponents.
Thus, if you keep winning, your tourney rating will reach extremely high levels, which in turn will lead to extremely high level opponents.
As the system is based on PvP, the only way to lose rating points is to either lose to an encounter or retreat/yield.

Using hypothetical numbers (as the actual numbers are hidden),

If you have 0 rating points, then the base mobs are 17-20 and the highest premium encounter is level 40.
If you have 2000+ rating points, then all of the encounters are level 200+.


Not exactly, as it seems to be based on matches won, rather than points, which brutally punished people that chose to grind points early, because of the number of matches they completed.

Think of it this way. If all of the matches are considered to be "even" fights (25 pointers), then the calculation simplifies down to purely number of matches won.

I do agree with you, though. Everyone that hard grinded on day 1 got bent over hard (myself included). It took a very long time of intentional tanking to bring my PvE MMR back down to 0. Dentist visits are almost more fun. I keep telling myself that the pretty-much free 100 Hero Points, ISO rewards, and Patch covers are worth it.

Heck, with the crazy rubberbanding and low progression tiers, a person with 0 PvE MMR rating could conceivably walk in on the last day of this event into the main event sub only and walk way with all of the progression rewards from the 1000+ point missions. I would tank to achieve a one-time run to gain all of this, as I doubt there will be such low-hanging fruit again anytime soon.

Unknown

You can already skip merrily to the last HP award, if that's the last thing you want. I just did the main missions and wound up with over 15,000. Red Patch is going to be a distant memory by the end if this persists. Although a lot of people will probably drop out once the Patch patch hits. That's going to require Loki or using Astonishing instead. God help us all if they put the **Wolverine nerf through, too. I'll have to start actually tanking the things. Already just buckled up and boosted for second pass on the main, because that's a lot of missions to grind now alongside the subs.

Unknown

The Patch nerf won't really affect my style of play at all tbh.

windfallstar

So all the missions are super high level for me. I definitely cannot consistently beat them even with boosts. So I've actually fallen really behind in terms of points. Not sure how I'll actually be able to place in this event. Main bracket leader has over 16k. I'm sitting at 5k right now lol.

Unknown

Lyrian wrote:

I do agree with you, though. Everyone that hard grinded on day 1 got bent over hard (myself included). It took a very long time of intentional tanking to bring my PvE MMR back down to 0. Dentist visits are almost more fun. I keep telling myself that the pretty-much free 100 Hero Points, ISO rewards, and Patch covers are worth it.

You'll enjoy this. I won my bracket in the first three sub events, doing only one set of each mission twice (with the first sub being an exception because I was tied w/ #2 so blitzed through a half-dozen 1-pointers in the closing minutes. Three wins with minimal effort. I just completed each of the main bracket missions once and repeated two, and am now in the top 10 of my bracket.

TheVulture

Any advice for Hopped Up Mutants?

Ares: Kills whole team if gets 10 red.
Control: Generates 2 red per turn, has 5k+ health.
Bullseye: Grants team 100+ damage reduction anytime anyone matches purple.

So basically have to kill Control within 5 turns while simultaneously denying all Ares colours and hoping no purple matches appear on the board?

Has anyone done this without a 5 Blue Spider-man, and if so any tips to share?

I have tried 'tanking my PvE rating' (for the only time since day 1), but the levels don't seem to be budging.

(Note to devs: BULLSEYE IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE LEVEL 230)

Unknown

Control will typically use the red instead of Ares. Keep him alive while knocking Ares down.

TheVulture

jozier wrote:

Control will typically use the red instead of Ares. Keep him alive while knocking Ares down.

I'm afraid that I have had a dozen matches now - including the tanked of course - and have never seen Control use his skill once, while Ares has delivered a fatal chop almost every time.
Random AI may not have been on my side!

Unknown

Every mission is 230/230/230 for me. So much fun lol. I'm practicing beating them without boosts at the moment, which is going pretty good, but it's stressful that one mistake can screw you over.

Unknown

windfallstar wrote:

So all the missions are super high level for me. I definitely cannot consistently beat them even with boosts. So I've actually fallen really behind in terms of points. Not sure how I'll actually be able to place in this event. Main bracket leader has over 16k. I'm sitting at 5k right now lol.

Pretty much the same situation for me, and it's something that keeps repeating. In both Hulk events, in The Hunt and Thick as Thieves, i always do something wrong. Everywhere i read, everyone finished first, grabs the good rewards and so on. I barely have a 1/1/1 patch Wolverine, and that was a reward from the first Full Clip even (punisher tourney).

I'm clearly doing something wrong in PvE ,but i just dont get it. I always do every single mission that i can complete (usually everything besides the lvl240 fights, and the fights that require a specific character like invisible woman) until they stop giving a decent amount of points (2-3 times usually), but i always end up like 300-1000 in placements, pretty much a waste of time.

I will start looking for guidance and information. While i'm feeling that Thick as Thieves is done for me, i really want to be prepared for the next PvE event.

Unknown

So who else is tired of restarting the app after every fight in order to get the proper point values? Don't want to mess up and fight for 1pt again. Wish they would do something to address this.